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Started by NicholeW., February 16, 2008, 03:08:14 PM

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Rachael

true... live as a male? sure i did for 19 years...
were one? nah
R >:D
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Berliegh

Quote from: Hypatia on February 28, 2008, 09:28:51 AM
This discussion has taken a questionable turn. Rainsong's hangup is about people who have lived a life in two genders (to borrow Jennifer Finney Boylan's phrase). In her worldview, it's extremely evil to cross the gender boundary which is why she fights so hard to claim she was raised female, not very convincingly. I hope no one here is endorsing that belief. Rainsong is a sick individual and I would not want to lend her ravings any validity. We have all had to cross that boundary whether we admit it or not.
I agree Hypatia....but also some of us had a very small boundary to cross...
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Rachael

not all of us spent a life as a male...
not all married, not all fathered children, not everyone had sex with girls, or were 'heterosexual males'
R >:D
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Berliegh

Quote from: Rachael on February 29, 2008, 05:57:12 AM
not all of us spent a life as a male...
not all married, not all fathered children, not everyone had sex with girls, or were 'heterosexual males'
R >:D

That was my point Rachael...
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Rachael

Only times ive ever: had sex, fallen in love, dated, broken up: have all been as a woman, with a man... (never did it before)
some bloody life as a man then!
R >:D
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Hypatia

Quote from: Rachael on February 29, 2008, 05:57:12 AM
not all of us spent a life as a male...
not all married, not all fathered children, not everyone had sex with girls, or were 'heterosexual males'
R >:D
Which is entirely beside the point. Unless your name is Blanchard or Bailey.
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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Rachael

i disagree.... a lot of people here are deciding there is such thing (disconected from being physically male) that one may live a male life, and one may not....
i think those are vital parts of living a 'male' life. Not everyone does that, and other things, proving there is such thing as growing up male without living a male life....

if one owns a formula 1 car. and only uses it to go to the shops in 30 zones for the groceries... is one a racing driver?
R >:D
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Beyond

Can we stop the "I'm more authentic than you" crap please?
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NicholeW.

Quote from: Beyond on March 01, 2008, 05:34:06 AM
Can we stop the "I'm more authentic than you" crap please?

That seems like very good advice.

WE are as authentic as we allow ourselves to be. If it requires a comparison to others on a consistent basis, then I think that perhaps the confidence becomes a matter of talk and not an active part of one's life.

It matters not the way one's picture looks in comparison to others: that tends to be entirely subjective depending on one's mood, time of day and personal preferences anyway.

It matters not what life experiences, or lack thereof, one has had. What is known by any of us is simply what one knows: about herself and about others.

No one gets extra points for 'being ahead' simply because individual lives don't work that way. NO one has the same set of life-experiences that another has. Are Bill Gates, Paul Allen or Steve Jobs 'better' than other men simply because they have more money readily available to themselves than do other men?

Are Claudia Schiffer, Kiera Knightly or Candis Cane 'better' than other women, or more female than other women, because they look better to some than do other women?

If one's confidence and value are always based on 'how I compare myself to everyone else in the category I randomly chose' I suggest that confidence and value are actually nil for that person.

There are no yardsticks that measure how meaningful and valid a human being is in comparison to another human being.

So, it would be nice to stop making that activity a habit. And I suspect that whomever that admonishment I wrote above applies to will understand it applies to them. So, whomever it applies to: please stop.

Nichole
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Rachael

Quote from: Beyond on March 01, 2008, 05:34:06 AM
Can we stop the "I'm more authentic than you" crap please?
The forum would be quite quiet without it...
R >:D
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NicholeW.

Let's give it a go and see, shall we?

N~
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Shana A

Quote from: Rachael on March 01, 2008, 07:17:19 AM
The forum would be quite quiet without it...
R >:D

I'm sure we could find some other things to talk about  ;)

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Rachael

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NicholeW.

Why don't you pick, Rachael? Think of something besides comparisons that interests you and you think others might be interested in and post it.

N~
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Suzy

Quote from: Rachael on March 01, 2008, 09:30:59 AM
like toilets?
R >:D

Yes, I was going to ask what sex and toilets have to do with one another, but I just didn't want to go there.

Kristi
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Jordan

Quote from: Rachael on March 01, 2008, 03:45:00 AM
i disagree.... a lot of people here are deciding there is such thing (disconected from being physically male) that one may live a male life, and one may not....
?what do you mean I think it is entirely possible to live a male life, but still be a transsexual...  Alot of people do it.. You call em Crossdressers....  The ones that choose to incorporate it into thier lives partially refer to theselves as Androgynes...Androids,,um I dunno.

Quotei think those are vital parts of living a 'male' life. Not everyone does that, and other things, proving there is such thing as growing up male without living a male life....

if one owns a formula 1 car. and only uses it to go to the shops in 30 zones for the groceries... is one a racing driver?
R >:D
YES! I think they can, because its not about the car you drive, its how you drive to the shops in 30 zones for grocieries...


Posted on: March 01, 2008, 03:18:30 PM
Ah yes back to subject, TOLIETS??? hmmm...
I dunno I think they are fine, would be cool though to get a Legal piece of paper to be there,

I just dont think the therapist letter cuts it,,, legally...

I dont get retro fitting them, or new family restrooms, or special segregated anyplaces....

I just wannta letter that states I can be there legally whenever I need, any female restroom coast to coast..
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Rachael

uh, a crossdresser is NOT a transsexual 'incorporating' being female into thier male life.
That is baloney ;)
R :police:
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Jordan

Alot of people cannot transistion for many years, and they crossdress, take hormones, and deal with it, till they can transition..

But technically That would make them a crossdresser that is becoming a transexual.

I dont think thats baloney, just labels...


Although I can see it from your angle too, but my argument is that people dont just understand and deal with it in a flash of time, it takes years to come to terms with this....for some at least;
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Nero

Think it's about time for Nero to jump in...

No, we don't need holier than thous, more authentic than thous, and comparison between us. We're all trans, it doesn't matter but a valid point was brought up that one can live in a male body, be seen as male, and STILL not live a male life.

I never lived a female's life. I always conducted myself as a male. Everything I did, I did in the manner of a boy and later a man.
I ate, slept, fought, wrote, worked, walked, talked, had sex as a man (and no, a dick or even a strap-on is not required to have sex as a man). It didn't matter that I looked like a girl. It doesn't mean I actually LIVED as one.

Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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tinkerbell

Hmmm....I think labeling belongs to each individual and even though some people are very happy with the prefix TRANS, I am NOT anymore.  Now with this statement I am not demeaning anyone who identifies as "trans", but in my case, the term "trans" is beginning to sound rather offensive really; in other words, it is like when you hear your "previous name" after so many years into transition.  I am a woman; I have always been a woman, and I WANT to be labeled as such.

tink :icon_chick:
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