Sorry, Lili. You seem to have done a good bit of research, but don't let that blind you to the realities many women are telling you they experience. Call it placebo if it makes you feel better, it's something that -does- occur, whether it fits into your supposed facts or not.

And to claim that we're an embarrassment to future people looking at the forums, so we shouldn't speak our minds? Come on now...

You have a differing opinion. That's fine, but let's keep it there.

Quote from: LiliFee on March 23, 2017, 09:46:55 AM
Again: we don't have ovaries. End of story.

Women who have had hysterectomies + oophorectomies (ovary removals) do NOT cycle. The female cycle fully depends on the effect of FSH and LH on the ovarian follicles. Without ovaries, there's nothing TO regulate.

Furthermore, there is little scientific evidence that periods "sync up".. So yes, please do read about this in medical studies. Educate yourselves. But don't start claiming stuff that's got no scientific basis what-so-ever. It might be nice for us because we want to be cis-women. But we never will be, no matter how much wishful thinking enters into the equation.

I know for some it may be a placebo effect, but part of that entails a person wanting a period in the first place. I didn't really want a period, but I even had minor cramps before HRT growing up that happened on a monthly cycle, which only got worse with HRT. Not only that, Our bodies can indeed regulate hormones whether its T or E. Transwomen can have a cycle without cycling their doses of HRT. The body can take the hormones and manage it because instead of ovaries, it is just a different delivery method. Also the Testes do produce a small amount of estrogen as men have some E just as women have some T. Both ovaries and testes produce both hormones, just the amounts are different. Some Ciswomen have been reported after having a hysterectomy still having period like cramps and a cycle. My period for example lasts around a week when it comes, doesn't happen the same exact time or week each month, which isn't something that can just simply be explained away by the placebo effect. 

Quote from: link5019 on March 23, 2017, 04:01:31 PM
I know for some it may be a placebo effect, but part of that entails a person wanting a period in the first place. I didn't really want a period, but I even had minor cramps before HRT growing up that happened on a monthly cycle, which only got worse with HRT. Not only that, Our bodies can indeed regulate hormones whether its T or E. Transwomen can have a cycle without cycling their doses of HRT. The body can take the hormones and manage it because instead of ovaries, it is just a different delivery method. Also the Testes do produce a small amount of estrogen as men have some E just as women have some T. Both ovaries and testes produce both hormones, just the amounts are different. Some Ciswomen have been reported after having a hysterectomy still having period like cramps and a cycle. My period for example lasts around a week when it comes, doesn't happen the same exact time or week each month, which isn't something that can just simply be explained away by the placebo effect.

I love your response and view on this and I totally agree. I didn't want a period to begin with and I was expecting that it would either happen or not three months from now it was it of the blue

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Well there's always the difference between truth and fact

Since I'm a scientist , my world revolvs a lot around formulating hypotheses, going to the drawing boards, testing the hypotheses and discussing the results. As such, I tend to think a lot a long the lines of what's possible or not according to theory.

So: you all have my apologies for my hash tone in some of the posts, whatever I deemed to be unfactual might have had very little relevance on your respective truths.

Quote from: LiliFee on March 23, 2017, 09:46:55 AM
Again: we don't have ovaries. End of story.

Women who have had hysterectomies + oophorectomies (ovary removals) do NOT cycle. The female cycle fully depends on the effect of FSH and LH on the ovarian follicles. Without ovaries, there's nothing TO regulate.

I have a thought (hypothesis if you will). I agree that cisgender women who have had hisdirectomies and/or oophorectomies have nothing to regulate, and that cycling progesterone would make no sense since there is nothing to regulate.

However, what other effects occurred on the body due to the natural cycling of a fully functional female reproductive cycle? What were the ancillary effects of cycling? Do those effects continue with artificial cycling in the absence of organs to be regulated?

Just my thoughts.

(p. s. just started micronized progesterone with cycling, cycling was at recommendation of Endo based on cisgender anatomy; figured give it a try, then try w/o cycling, then compare. Scientific method, no? ☺️)

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Quote from: LiliFee on March 23, 2017, 09:46:55 AM
Again: we don't have ovaries. End of story.

Yes. Thank you. Psychosomatic nonsense. Largely based on gender stereotypes about losing your temper and eating chocolate once a month.

I can say that I have not had any period symptoms. Been on HRT for 11 months, micronized progesterone for six-non cycling.

I think it is valid to point out that the placebo effect is not a trick of the mind. Stuff in your body are actually happening, just instead of from an external source the changes are occurring internally.


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Do Mtf periods still um.. spill blood?

Jennifer,

I will have to go back to the top of this thread. However, usually in the MTF trans world, some people experience other symptoms that are similar to cis women's cycle. Cramps, off digestion, head aches. No blood though.

Additionally, welcome to the site.

Somehow we missed you posting your first post. We like to share some links to  newly posting members. Mostly welcome, guide lines and rules.

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With warmth,

Jacqui

wow? really? female periods for MTF transgenders?
 
IMHO...  no ovaries and no uterus  =  no periods, no cramping because there's no uterus and no uterus muscles to cramp, and therefore no blood. 

Yup, that makes sense.

Yet many, myself included have experienced just such a series of symptoms. Including bloating, digestion just a little off, sore breasts. often they seem to match up with my wife's.

As has been stated, maybe it's a placebo effect . Just saying to some of us, it happens.

Warmly,

Jacqui

Quote from: Jacqueline on February 09, 2018, 03:37:05 PM
Yup, that makes sense.

Yet many, myself included have experienced just such a series of symptoms. Including bloating, digestion just a little off, sore breasts. often they seem to match up with my wife's.

As has been stated, maybe it's a placebo effect . Just saying to some of us, it happens.

Warmly,

Jacqui

@Jacqui:  Interesting reply and it does kinda make sense even though there is no female equipment inside.  It is well known that cis females living in close proximity will many times synchronize their monthly cycles.  Perhaps with HRT there is something that happens in the male body and in the male mind that allows some kind of pseudo synchronization.  Interesting for certain.