Quote from: Kylo on March 21, 2018, 01:38:47 PM
I'm not sure why you find it so horrifying. We signed up to the EEC, not Junker's private funland. Currently people like him get to do whatever they like without being accountable in any way whatsoever to me, a voter. That is fundamentally un-democratic and don't want any part of such a political union.
They don't though - he's accountable to an elected senate, which we were a full part of. He won't be there forever - another country's representative will be leading - it could've been one of ours. By the way, the UKIP MEP's we sent to parliament were barely there - Farage turned up for one meeting in 70. He has one of the very lowest attendance rates, as do the rest of them on that side. How do you remove our head of state by the way? You don't. She is above elections and has been in post since 1952. Now I quite like her, but it's hardly the peak of democracy if you want to compare it to the EU as a whole.
Of every vote in the European Parliament or the directives from The Senate, the UK got its way 97% of the time. That's really not bad going in a cooperative endeavour.
I'm horrified because it's the largest and richest trading block in existence, with freedoms to live work, be educated, and retire in 28 countries. It has extremely high social security nets in general, and the very highest standards when it comes to human rights.
I'm horrified because it is a grand cultural project with fine aims that has been lied about by the Murdoch press and the Daily Mail. I'm horrified because they along with its other supporters and financial backers are no friends to LGBT people. I'm horrified because of the damage done to international standing.
I'm horrified because London is at the crossroads of the world and is the major global centre, partly because of passporting rights into the largest and most cosmopolitan free trade area that's ever existed, and that's been placed at serious risk.
I'm horrified because of the cuts that have had to be made for yet another extended period (and the billions made available within hours of the vote count to steady the Bank of England) by a government in such crisis it's overwhelmed by an impossible and harmful policy. I'm horrified that the EMA and the banking regulator pulled those jobs this year, just as they told us they would do - and Brexiters said they were bluffing.
I'm horrified that we are being represented by seriously corrupt liars, many of whom have already been sacked. Some others have been brought back after sacking for previous very serious corruption.
I'm horrified because there isn't one EU rule that causes us harm. We had opt outs from Schengen and hence had border controls in place -you have to go through passport control every time you re-enter the UK, and we had an opt out from the Eurozone. Not that it matters anymore because the £ has crashed since the vote, so import costs gave rocketed and and companies have already gone out of business or are shifting operations.
I'm horrified that Trump, Putin, and IS alone thought it was a good idea, because none of them want a strong or functioning EU. I'm horrified at the impact on the higher education system, on the NHS, on food standards. I'm horrified that judges in the supreme court simply doing their constitutional jobs have been branded traitors by right wing newspapers who've tried to muck spread about their sex lives. In horrified that people like Gina Miller have police protection after death threats - presumably entirely credible ones considering the murder of an MP by a Brexit supporting fascist.
I'm horrified that my grandfathers generation who achieved peace and prosperity in Western Europe, and raised their kids to double down on that, have been betrayed by misinformation from tax evaders, and churned out by right wing groups.
I'm horrified about the precarious implications for Northern Ireland, and equally horrified that Scotland and Gibraltar as constituent parts are being ignored, and their devolved parliaments being sidelined despite the wishes and huge remain votes in those parts of the U.K. England (minus London, and the other progressive cities and counties) and Wales have potentially risked the integrity of the U.K. - on the basis of largely false information, and it's very sad.
An EU army would need to be approved by each member state - it wasn't going to be. I think that's a shame because a common response, and the nuclear capabilities of the UK and France combined would be something. This week we see again how Brexit has isolated the UK - Putins mob running amok with chemical weapons. Not for the first time. That's the cold reality.
