My wife and me have a little bet going that will be determined by you all out here.
I have only started HRT a month ago and I'm feeling better than I ever have
Also with a deep sense of well-being and tons of energy and always seem to be happy for the last week.
She's telling me that any CIS person will have the same Mental effects that I'm having, it's all in the hormones she says.
But I'm saying no to this, any CIS person would not have the same Mental effects.
What do you all think about this?

I suspect that a cis person taking cross-gender hormones (your wife on T, for example) would feel quite dysphoric after a while.

Having said which, T is sometimes prescribed to women for low libido, so maybe it depends on dosage.

I rate this physical effects are of course your own millage but well mental is different. I am MTF and when I see my breasts I feel pride for instance. Then again HRT would effect everyone in a similar Gaussian distribution energy wise for instance but you would be surprised how much more energy you have when your not boarding on depression 24/7, on that note since on E I have had far less energy then I had before.

Wait... is your wife saying that a cis man on estrogen and blockers would feel well being? Or a cis woman?

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Are we talking about a cis-gender person taking cis-gender hormones or cross-gender hormones?

If it's cisgender hormones, it depends on where they're levels were already at. If it's cross-gender hormones, they could have the opposite effects that got are experiencing. It's the same once again depending on the levels prior to the trial, any subconscious GD, as well as the length of time this trial happens.

Estradiol can be prescribed for cisgender males as an aid to prostate cancer treatment. As said previously, testosterone for women with low sex drives among other reasons.

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Thanks everyone
I should have been a little more clear I was mainly referring to my situation now.
I'm a MTF and my CIS female wifes telling me that any CIS male taking blockers and E would have the same reaction that I'm having.
But the way I see it the wife's already losing so thank you all.

love Tatiana

So what's her point? Would any "cis male" (go on mtf hrt first of all) want boobs, hips and muscle loss?
The "high" could be starting, maybe even relief too.

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Hello Allison
It was just hypothetical my wife and I both agree on the physical effects it would have, it was mainly the Mental effects. She just said if a CIS male took what I'm taking they would have the same reaction

Like this

Please help me on Nebido, I desperately need advice from people who use it.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,230174.0.html

I think what you're looking for is...  would a cis male feel the same joy and relief or would he be distraught and confused. Honestly, I think that's something that only a trans person could understand. We know and understand what misery the wrong hormones cause.

I was a very violent teenager when I hit puberty. Angry all the time. My brain just couldn't process what the testosterone was doing to me. 17 months into HRT and I've never felt so comfortable.

My vote definitely is on your side. If your wife took T she would probably react much the same as I did as a teenager. Angry, horny, and confused. A cis male would likely be depressed and confused with all of the emotional feelings. And both cis male and female would likely be disgusted (dysphoric) with any physical changes to their body.

 On a full transition dose I suspect most cis guys would be distressed about the effects on their genitals.

The side effects of these medications are pretty well documented on WebMD. Men typically experience a loss of libido from Spironalactone. That said, it continues to be a commonly prescribed high blood pressure medication. Shrug, it beats having a stroke. Estrogen is often prescribed for prostate cancer and causes Gynecomastia. I had uncle was on it. He use to make everybody roar lifting up his shirt to show off his boobs at Sunday dinner at my Grandmother's.  Again, not something a man wants but we do what we have to do.

I am a cisgender male survivor of childhood sexual and psychological abuse and developed Dissociative Identity/Multiple Personality Disorder (DID/MPD) to cope with the trauma. I have been on a typical transition level Estrogen/Spironalactone regimen for 9 years now It took 4 years of therapy to help me understand that the peace I experience from HRT had nothing to do with giving my mind the right chemical. Chemical castration put my child alters at ease in knowing that, once and for all, I could NEVER hurt anyone the way my parents hurt me.

Quote from: Tatiana 79 on August 03, 2018, 06:37:26 PM
Hello Allison
It was just hypothetical my wife and I both agree on the physical effects it would have, it was mainly the Mental effects. She just said if a CIS male took what I'm taking they would have the same reaction

I've known men that were on a low t, high estrogen hormone regimen. Most of them hated it, enough that they transitioned by taking T. Trans guys don't get the same mental wellbeing that cis women and trans women get from that hormone balance, so I see no evidence that a cis boy would have a more agreeable reaction.

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There is a belief, cited by many gender therapists, not sure its scientifically proven, but our brains have E and T receptors. Female brains have more E receptors and male more T receptors. As tgs mtf we have more E receptors but they have been starved of E and minority T receptors are over fed before HRT. So if you are trans mtf and on HRT the E brain receptors finally are now well fed. This causes euphoria, happiness in Tgs. If you were CIS that effect would be negative and maybe cause depression.

Many Therapist want us on HRT and its effect can confirm us as having a female mind and thus TG.

Quote from: warlockmaker on August 03, 2018, 11:57:54 PM
There is a belief, cited by many gender therapists, not sure its scientifically proven, but our brains have E and T receptors. Female brains have more E receptors and male more T receptors. As tgs mtf we have more E receptors but they have been starved of E and minority T receptors are over fed before HRT. So if you are trans mtf and on HRT the E brain receptors finally are now well fed. This causes euphoria, happiness in Tgs. If you were CIS that effect would be negative and maybe cause depression.

Many Therapist want us on HRT and its effect can confirm us as having a female mind and thus TG.

That gels with me. Before I started on hrt I tried T enhancing supplements just made me more miserable though I was pretty low on t at the time.

Hmm, interesting question..

Androgen Deprivation Therapy is a protocol used in prostate cancer patients. It's essentially a sufficient dose of E to shut down T production, similar in aim to HRT. Now, one would expect there to be a lot of dysphoria on those being treated, however, it doesn't seem to be the case. Take from that what you will.

With that said, I've also had far less issues with all facets of mental health since changing to an E only protocol.

Quote from: PurplePelican on August 04, 2018, 03:03:33 AM
Hmm, interesting question..

Androgen Deprivation Therapy is a protocol used in prostate cancer patients. It's essentially a sufficient dose of E to shut down T production, similar in aim to HRT. Now, one would expect there to be a lot of dysphoria on those being treated, however, it doesn't seem to be the case. Take from that what you will.

With that said, I've also had far less issues with all facets of mental health since changing to an E only protocol.

Shutting down T helps the prostrate issue for sure I know that from first hand experience but once estrogen dominance is achieved you are going to get some pretty serious feminization going on along with loss of sexual function. Thats got to cause some dysphoria if you like being a man.

Dear Tatiana

On the general point of reaction of Cisperson to crossgender HRT, I have no doubt that their reaction would be one of dysphoria, confusion and depression because in simple terms they would be "on the wrong fuel".

As transpeople we need it and we benefit simply by being "on the right fuel". Our dysphoria lessens, we feel some sense of peace and we desire the physical differences.

Cispeople would not want the physical changes, would be unlikely to receive more energy and I suspect would know at the start not to consider crossgender HRT anyway.

Hugs

Pamela

There has been one very high profile case of a cis male being put on E.  This was the father of numerical processing, Alan Turing, and the result was NOT happy.  He eventually killed himself.

There is plenty of discussion on sites for prostate patients, and a lot of them have problems with the hormone therapy.

Cross gender hormones is no bed of roses for a cis person.

My $0.02...


Erin

There would be a high probability that cis person would begin to experience gender dysphoria as their body changed. By definition as cis, they feel happy with their biological sex and bodies - HRT would begin to change their bodies to something they probably did not identify with, and gradually they would become aware of the social awkwardness and stigma this change brings with it. I expect those with male-geared brains would experience more anxiety and depression on estrogen, just as "male brained" trans men often do.