Hello Ladies

You may recall that in May I compiled a "Comparison" thread just like this one but for after 3 or 4 months and first of all I wish to copy the final table to this thread as below:

                               E (Intnl)            E (US)       T (Intnl)       T (US)

Pamela                       922                  251               1.6              46
Sarah                         297                    81               1.1              32
Devlyn                       338                    92                4.8            140
Deborah                     261                    71                5.5            158
Kathy                         698                  190                0.2                5.8
Tonya                         224                    61                5.4            156
Katie                          364                     99               0.2                5.8
Kaitylynn                    220                     60               3.8             110
Alison                       1178                   321                1.6              47
Charlie Nicki                173                    47                5.3             154
Sadie                        2577                   702               0.4               12   
KayXo                         974                   265               1.5               43
Casady                        821                  224                4.2             121

So once again I invite anyone that wishes to provide with their E and T Blood Test results after either 3/4 months or after 6/7 months, please do so on this thread please and I shall happily add you to the table(s). Please state whether you are providing International or US Units and I shall happily convert accordingly as the table provides both for comparison purposes.

I am doing this exercise in May, August and November 2018 and February 2019 just to see if there are any statistical trends we may see; I accept we may not see anything more than coincidence especially since I do not possess (and I do not wish to possess) details of dosage. Anyone may inform me but only if they wish of their medication name but not dosage of course. I do not wish any table to be regarded in any way as "League" or "Performance" table.

I am at present on Evorel Patches and Finasteride but that may change when I see my doctor Friday 24th. Obviously I have mixed feelings; I am delighted by my high E reading but disappointed with my T reading as it has increased. I wonder if I may be put on injections to reverse the increase in T?

I shall add KayXo's and Casady's readings in due course when I receive them and I shall add others' who choose to inform of their 3/4 and 6/7 month readings. So at present the table consists of 11 members:

                               E (Intnl)            E (US)       T (Intnl)       T (US)

Pamela                     1662                  453               2.4              69
Sarah                         349                    95               0.4              12
Devlyn                       720                   196               1.8              53
Deborah                     430                   117               4.2            120
Kathy                         303                     83              0.5               14
Tonya                         268                    73                1.1              32
Katie                          254                     69               0.2                5.8
Kaitylynn                    162                     44               1.0               30
Alison                         826                   225             <0.1             <2.5
Charlie Nicki                213                     58               2.6              74
Sadie                        1296                   353               0.4               12   

Thanking all participants and to general readers of this thread, I hope you find the figures of some value.

Anyone may of course comment on the table(s) and as previously requested provide their own readings.

Hugs to all

Pamela

KayXo no longer possesses her E and T Blood test results after 6/7 months but she has very kindly provided me with the following information as I was astounded at my E reading of 1662 Intl 453 (US), which is helpful to me and probably to others on HRT.

Thank you KayXo and as you can see my I am on Evorel Patches and Finasteride dosages to be sent by PM.

Hugs

Pamela

QUOTE FROM KAYXO:

1,662 pmol/L is not too high, E2 levels fluctuate anyways. Is this estradiol or estrogen levels? Women have much, much higher levels, during pregnancy (and even during a menstrual cycle, up to 3,700), up to 275,000 pmol/L. It's safe, no worries. I have much higher levels than you.


E never converts to T, ever. Otherwise, it would not be given to men who have prostate cancer whose survival depends on sustaining very low levels of T to stop the progression of cancer. When my E2 was around 5,000-14,000 pmol/L, my T was 0.1-0.3 nmol/L.

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Age would be good to include in the table

I'm 28 now, I started hrt at 27 years and 3 months old.
Where do I stand on this chart as far as hrt effectiveness on levels?
The way the numbers are listed it's a bit confusing for me. Even knowing what my levels are I can't place which are mine and which are the people below/above me.

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Please be aware that

QUOTE FROM KAYXO:

1,662 pmol/L is not too high, E2 levels fluctuate anyways. Is this estradiol or estrogen levels? Women have much, much higher levels, during pregnancy (and even during a menstrual cycle, up to 3,700), up to 275,000 pmol/L. It's safe, no worries. I have much higher levels than you.

Is a personal opinion and not a medical opinion. I know on no endocrinologists that would be happy with a TG woman having E levels at those levels.

Some peoples ideas of safe hormone levels make you wonder if they'd take motorcycle drivers education classes from Evel Knievel. 

My doctor wants me in NORMAL female ranges, not the levels of an ovulating giraffe. 

Quote from: fgsb on August 20, 2018, 12:34:41 PM
Age would be good to include in the table

I'm 56.

fgsb

Thank you for your comment and I shall consider either age or age ranges on future tables and of course anyone wishing to provide their age may do so now by all means.


Allison

Thank you for your comments.

Forgive me if I have misled you but I am not trying to measure HRT effectiveness but merely trying to see if there is or will be trends over time - 3 months to 6 months to 9 months to 12 months. I suggest all we may look out for at this point is whether E Levels and/or T levels have improved or worsened or stayed virtually the same. My E has improved but is very high but my T has also increased hence worsened. Your E has decreased but again so have several others' E but your T has thankfully improved to the point of almost nil.

I shall leave a line between each person's results on the next table to ease reading; next table to be inserted as soon as others may provide their results.

Hoping this helps

Hugs to all

Pamela

Quote from: Cindy on August 20, 2018, 05:12:27 PM
Please be aware that

QUOTE FROM KAYXO:

1,662 pmol/L is not too high, E2 levels fluctuate anyways. Is this estradiol or estrogen levels? Women have much, much higher levels, during pregnancy (and even during a menstrual cycle, up to 3,700), up to 275,000 pmol/L. It's safe, no worries. I have much higher levels than you.

Is a personal opinion and not a medical opinion. I know on no endocrinologists that would be happy with a TG woman having E levels at those levels.

Thank you Cindy. I am truly grateful for your advice. Obviously 3700 is too high for a transwoman. Please confirm you mean 1662 is also too high. I think it is too high but I wish to confirm you refer to that figure also please.

I think we should expect E levels up to 1000 (unless BT taken too early after dose which may be why mine is so high this time!).

Thanking you

Pamela

I confirm that that my doctor also as expected considers my E reading of 1662 too high and has requested another BT which I shall arrange shortly and I shall inform you of the revised reading next week and produce a fresh table.

Pamela

Quote from: Cindy on August 20, 2018, 05:12:27 PM
Is a personal opinion and not a medical opinion. I know on no endocrinologists that would be happy with a TG woman having E levels at those levels.

I'll introduce you..

Hi Pamela,
                   I've had a blood test this week I will pass on the results to you this weekend. I think it will be about 600 nm/ L. Also while your level was running  at 1660 did you get addicted to soap operas and lose the ability to parallel park( ha ha).
With friendship, hugs, Kirsten.

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Thank you Kirsten for sending me your first and second quarter results and therefore I have added you to the 3/4 Month Comparison Table as below and I have also left space between each person girl's results to ease reading.

I am still "theoretically" on 1662 (Intnl) for second quarter and I feel fine but of course it is likely inaccurate and next week I shall produce fresh 6/7 Month Comparison Table to include Kirsten's result and my revised presumably accurate result.

I confirm any other girls may still send me their first or second quarter results or both either Intnl or US and I shall happily convert for purposes of the tables.


                                   HRT Blood Test Results after 3 or 4 Months


                               E (Intnl)            E (US)       T (Intnl)       T (US)

Pamela                       922                  251               1.6              46

Sarah                         297                    81               1.1              32

Devlyn                       338                    92                4.8            140

Deborah                     261                    71                5.5            158

Kathy                         698                  190                0.2                5.8

Tonya                         224                    61                5.4            156

Katie                          364                     99               0.2                5.8

Kaitylynn                    220                     60               3.8             110

Allison                       1178                   321                1.6              47

Charlie Nicki                173                    47                5.3             154

Sadie                        2577                   702               0.4               12
   
KayXo                         974                   265               1.5               43

Casady                        821                  224                4.2             121

Kirsten                        915                   249               0.8               23


Thanking you and Hugs to all.

Pamela

It's a great idea for a post Pamela. Fantastic focal point for ongoing discussions.
Big hugs , Kirsten.


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Hello again

When I started this thread I had just received my BT results and was surprised at the very high E reading of 1662 (Intnl) 453 (US) and disappointed that my T had increased. Consequently it was decided to do another BT for E only and to put me on Decapeptyl/Triptorelin injections for the increase in T. I had the BT for E this week and it has come down slightly but not as much as I expected to 1575 (Intnl) 429 (US).

I have also received Kirsten's BT results for the 6/7 Month Comparison and therefore I have produced the latest table below:


                                  HRT Blood Test Results after 6 or 7 Months


                               E (Intnl)            E (US)       T (Intnl)       T (US)

Pamela                     1575                  429               2.4              69

Sarah                         349                    95               0.4              12

Devlyn                       720                   196               1.8              53

Deborah                     430                   117               4.2            120

Kathy                         303                     83              0.5               14

Tonya                         268                    73                1.1              32

Katie                          254                     69               0.2                5.8

Kaitylynn                    162                     44               1.0               30

Allison                         826                   225             <0.1             <2.5

Charlie Nicki                213                     58               2.6              74

Sadie                        1296                   353               0.4               12

Kirsten                       422                    115               0.4               12 


Again I confirm any other girls may still send me their first or second quarter results or both either Intnl or US and I shall happily convert for purposes of the tables.

When I produce subsequent quarterly tables in November and February, I shall consider extra columns perhaps for age range and any suggestions for additional changes in future would be appreciated and considered by all means.

Thanking you for your time.

Hugs

Pamela

Today my Endo has confirmed that despite my high E readings as detailed in the table, my E dosage will not change for another 3 months meaning I remain on Evorel Patches and Finasteride and gain Decapeptyl/Triptorelin by injection.

Hugs

Pamela

Quote from: pamelatransuk on August 31, 2018, 07:49:01 AM
Today my Endo has confirmed that despite my high E readings as detailed in the table, my E dosage will not change for another 3 months meaning I remain on Evorel Patches and Finasteride and gain Decapeptyl/Triptorelin by injection.

Hugs

Pamela

Hi Pamela
Yes we will then be on the same meds and dosages (From our PMs). It will be interesting to see differences. Im going to see if I can move the patches around a little as the tops of my thighs seem to be getting red during and for a while after the patches are there.
By the way I took this pic of the nurse before my first Decapeptyl Injection;



haha...

Seriously though, its a funny injection as they have to mix it, remove the bubbles and then inject it before it solidifies apparently. If they put it in the wrong place then you can feel it when you sit down.. (joking..) 

Still its only once every 3 months.

Luv n Hugz

Katie

Most amusing, Katie. You made me laugh twice!

Incidentally apart from crying at emotional events, I can truly say I am laughing more and this must be another emotional and mental benefit of HRT!

Hugs

Pamela

                                   HRT Blood Test Results after 3 or 4 Months


                               E (Intnl)            E (US)       T (Intnl)       T (US)

Pamela                       922                  251               1.6              46

Sarah                         297                    81               1.1              32

Devlyn                       338                    92                4.8            140

Deborah                     261                    71                5.5            158

Kathy                         698                  190                0.2                5.8

Tonya                         224                    61                5.4            156

Katie                          364                     99               0.2                5.8

Kaitylynn                    220                     60               3.8             110

Allison                       1178                   321                1.6              47

Charlie Nicki                173                    47                5.3             154

Sadie                        2577                   702               0.4               12
   
KayXo                         974                   265               1.5               43

Casady                        821                  224                4.2             121

Kirsten                        915                   249               0.8               23

Sarahthenerd               202                     55             12.6             365



Sarahthenerd has kindly provided her 3/4 month results which I have added to the respective table. Thank you Sarah.

Hugs

Pamela

                                  HRT Blood Test Results after 6 or 7 Months


                               E (Intnl)            E (US)       T (Intnl)       T (US)

Pamela                     1575                  429               2.4              69

Sarah                         349                    95               0.4              12

Devlyn                       720                   196               1.8              53

Deborah                     430                   117               4.2            120

Kathy                         303                     83              0.5               14

Tonya                         268                    73                1.1              32

Katie                          254                     69               0.2                5.8

Kaitylynn                    162                     44               1.0               30

Allison                         826                   225             <0.1             <2.5

Charlie Nicki                213                     58               2.6              74

Sadie                        1296                   353               0.4               12

Casady                      1067                   291               3.1               90

Kirsten                       422                    115               0.4               12



Casady has now provided her 6/7 month results which I have added to the respective table. Thank you Casady. 

Hugs

Pamela

5 weeks on  patch and spiro:E 58;T 169.

Bibi