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Started by Zoey421, December 19, 2018, 10:41:33 AM

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Zoey421

Quote from: KimOct on December 27, 2018, 06:30:13 PM
Zoey - I am going to speak for Ashley but nothing she has not already said.  Ashley was the first person that took me under her wing.  She has been a great support.  It is easy to be impressed by her physical transformation which is stunning but what matters more is the insight that she has.

Take advantage of her offer - we all want to support you and we will but some people have a real knack for it.

Wishing you happiness.

Hi Kim, your vote of confidence for Ashley is amazing and don't worry about hijacking the conversation, this just makes the exchanges more fun!

Zoey
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Zoey421

Quote from: tgirlamg on December 27, 2018, 07:28:41 PM
Ha!... Thanks for the vote of confidence little sister!!!...Thanks also for all your selfless efforts to help others keep their eyes on the prize!... When immersed in the details and the fears of the process... it is far to easy to forget that transforming our lives into what we want and need is an amazing and joyful thing!... You have traveled far since I first mailed you some jewelry and voice lesson CDs!!! I remember asking only that you pay whatever help and support I gave you forward to those coming along behind you... You have far exceeded that mark long ago!!!

Onward we go brave sister...

A 🙋‍♀️💕🌻

Hi Ashley, your support for those of us who are opening up ourselves to our real lives is beautiful.

I was driving to downtown YVR today and thinking about a few things: what name I will eventually use (Zoey Catherine, BTW); how soon I should begin using my new name; when I should discuss HRT with a doctor; do I go get measured for a bra; how can I contribute to supporting the TG community. The last one was important although I knew I need to be careful not to way ahead of myself. Going all in now is probably something I should not hurry, I should be sure of where I'm going first.

There are so many thoughts going through my mind.

I did update my profile picture today and wanted up embed a full picture but can't seem to get that to work!!!

Ashley, thank you for being part of this amazing community.

Hugs Zoey xoxo
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KimOct

Zoey - Here are my thoughts on a couple of things you mentioned (great regarding your name BTW)

Regarding HRT - it differs slightly from therapist to therapist and what is right for you.  In my case it was 3 months.
Also if you have any second thoughts regarding your therapist find a different one.  Each therapist is not right for every person.

As for contributing to the community that is an amazing thought to have so early in your journey -I knew I liked you !!
Early on we take more than we give and that is OK - there is a lot to sort out - doing this is confusing / complicated / scary and WONDERFUL.  I guarantee there will be plenty of opportunity to pay it forward.  You will see the time and place. 

Discuss and ask questions there are people that want to help.  You seem intelligent so this may be stating the obvious but the point of a place like this is to listen to advice and opinions and take what you want and leave the rest behind.

I think you are going to do great and I also sense you have an idea that there will be some challenges but also great rewards.
The first transphobe you have to conquer is yourself
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tgirlamg

Quote from: Zoey421 on December 28, 2018, 10:39:50 PM
Hi Ashley, your support for those of us who are opening up ourselves to our real lives is beautiful.

I was driving to downtown YVR today and thinking about a few things: what name I will eventually use (Zoey Catherine, BTW); how soon I should begin using my new name; when I should discuss HRT with a doctor; do I go get measured for a bra; how can I contribute to supporting the TG community. The last one was important although I knew I need to be careful not to way ahead of myself. Going all in now is probably something I should not hurry, I should be sure of where I'm going first.

There are so many thoughts going through my mind.

I did update my profile picture today and wanted up embed a full picture but can't seem to get that to work!!!

Ashley, thank you for being part of this amazing community.

Hugs Zoey xoxo

@Zoey421

Zoey Catherine!!!

I love your choice of names sister and the new avatar pic as well!!! 😀👍

The picture posting is a bit difficult at first until you get it figured out...the short version is...if you have pics uploaded to imgur, Flickr or another hosting site find the B.B. code for the picture you want to share and paste it directly into your posting... If you find yourself having further difficulties, feel free to PM me and I will try to break it down in more detail!!!

I think you will find yourself pondering much in the days to come as you go about your days!!! There is much to consider!... Enjoy the process!... The questions you posed can only be answered by you in the end... timetables that fit your needs can be made and adapted as needed... I took the fast train and others like to walk slowly... As Kim noted... it is a scary and WONDERFUL thing... it is a process that, by it's nature, demands a very inward focus for a period of time ... when the time is right you will again turn your focus outward... You will be seeing the world through new eyes and from a new perspective... that will be a much better time for giving back...

Work on yourself for now... let us help when you need help... share your challenges and your victories with us.. Someday soon you will be in a wonderful place to help others navigate the challenges of their journey... Amazing things await Zoey Catherine 🌺

Onward we go brave sister!!!

Ashley 🙋‍♀️💕🌻
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

Ashley's Corner: https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,247549.0.html 🌻
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Zoey421

Quote from: tgirlamg on December 29, 2018, 01:29:11 AM
@Zoey421

Zoey Catherine!!!

I love your choice of names sister and the new avatar pic as well!!! 😀👍

The picture posting is a bit difficult at first until you get it figured out...the short version is...if you have pics uploaded to imgur, Flickr or another hosting site find the B.B. code for the picture you want to share and paste it directly into your posting... If you find yourself having further difficulties, feel free to PM me and I will try to break it down in more detail!!!

I think you will find yourself pondering much in the days to come as you go about your days!!! There is much to consider!... Enjoy the process!... The questions you posed can only be answered by you in the end... timetables that fit your needs can be made and adapted as needed... I took the fast train and others like to walk slowly... As Kim noted... it is a scary and WONDERFUL thing... it is a process that, by it's nature, demands a very inward focus for a period of time ... when the time is right you will again turn your focus outward... You will be seeing the world through new eyes and from a new perspective... that will be a much better time for giving back...

Work on yourself for now... let us help when you need help... share your challenges and your victories with us.. Someday soon you will be in a wonderful place to help others navigate the challenges of their journey... Amazing things await Zoey Catherine 🌺

Onward we go brave sister!!!

Ashley 🙋‍♀️💕🌻

@tgirlamg

I figured out the pasting picture thing ... here is from today:



Zoey
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tgirlamg

Quote from: Zoey421 on December 29, 2018, 01:41:40 AM
@tgirlamg

I figured out the pasting picture thing ... here is from today:



Zoey

There she is!!! 🎉🎉🎉

You look up to the journey sister!!!... Rockin' outfit to boot!!! 😀👍

Onward!!!

A 🙋‍♀️👍🌻
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

Ashley's Corner: https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,247549.0.html 🌻
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Zoey421

Quote from: tgirlamg on December 29, 2018, 02:03:18 AM
There she is!!! 🎉🎉🎉

You look up to the journey sister!!!... Rockin' outfit to boot!!! 😀👍

Onward!!!

A 🙋‍♀️👍🌻

@tgirlamg

You are so kind! Hugs Zoey xoxo
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Zoey421

Serendipity ... (noun) "the occurrence and development of events by chance in a happy or beneficial way."

On Christmas I received this ring:



I came across this ring during the summer. It consists of two components:

  • The word Olim
  • The figure of a skull

Olim is Latin for "once" as in "once upon a time", "formerly"
The Skull, a classic memento mori, is a reminder that life is fleeting.

So why is this serendipitous? Coming out TG is recognition that I was once male and now female, formerly one gender, but really another. What is really interesting is the idea that "life is fleeting" resonates with me. We are on this earth a very short time, existence is fleeting, so live your life to fullest, that's my take.

I didn't make this connection in the summer. The ring is a sign.

The ring is a reminder that I need to live as my true self, stop denying my truth.

I wear this ring to remind me that coming out was meant to be, to accept my truth so I can live my life to the fullest, because once I was, now I am, and that life is fleeting.

Hugs Zoey
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tgirlamg

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Quote from: Zoey421 on December 29, 2018, 03:21:29 AM
Serendipity ... (noun) "the occurrence and development of events by chance in a happy or beneficial way."

On Christmas I received this ring:



I came across this ring during the summer. It consists of two components:

  • The word Olim
  • The figure of a skull

Olim is Latin for "once" as in "once upon a time", "formerly"
The Skull, a classic memento mori, is a reminder that life is fleeting.

So why is this serendipitous? Coming out TG is recognition that I was once male and now female, formerly one gender, but really another. What is really interesting is the idea that "life is fleeting" resonates with me. We are on this earth a very short time, existence is fleeting, so live your life to fullest, that's my take.

I didn't make this connection in the summer. The ring is a sign.

The ring is a reminder that I need to live as my true self, stop denying my truth.

I wear this ring to remind me that coming out was meant to be, to accept my truth so I can live my life to the fullest, because once I was, now I am, and that life is fleeting.

Hugs Zoey

@Zoey421

Good Morning Zoey!

What a nice post to wake up too!... You are looking deeply and finding purpose and meaning! That is very good because, there is much to find in all of this...

I believe you will find that you discover many aspects of your life taking on new meanings, resonance and significance... perhaps, what Karl Jung described as Synchronicity will become a noticeable presence in everyday life... I think there is spiritual purpose to our lives here far beyond mere survival and reproduction and I think when we align our life with what is it's proper and intended direction... moving towards what is Truth... That alignment can often be demonstrated to us through the resonance of events, objects, timing, fortuitously meeting people to help us etc...

My own life took a huge turn the moment my decision to transition was made... The decision was almost made on the spot, the moment I realized that I could do it... I knew that I must do it... From that moment my life unfolded in a landslide of synchronistic occurances and events that all seemed to help me along the path... The connection to my life and purpose was palpable and undeniable...

We talked in the earlier posts about questions like "When?" and "How Soon?".... I think that ring may be answering those questions!!!... I immediately had the same sense that life is short and too much time had been spent getting ready... It was Showtime!!!

On With The Show Brave Sister!!!

Ashley 🙋‍♀️💕🙏🌻

"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

Ashley's Corner: https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,247549.0.html 🌻
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Zoey421

Today I took another step ... went bra shopping at Victoria's Secret! While I didn't purchase a bra, I did figure out I am currently a 36C ... "man boobs" doing the job. I picked up a couple of 38B bras to try on and then got up the nerve to ask one of the VS representatives to give me some advice. Nicole was awesome and I wasn't her first TG person she had served, I was her 2nd.

After a few tries, we finally found 2 types of VS bras that fit reasonably well - (a) very sexy push-up and (b) sexy illusions push-up Plunge.

I didn't purchase a bra because I am afraid to bring the item into the home and having it accidentally found. But, I know what to purchase when the time is right.

I have to say I felt completely comfortable and happy wearing the bra and can see a better picture of myself in the future.

Onward I journey.

Hugs Ashley

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tgirlamg

Quote from: Zoey421 on December 29, 2018, 07:54:37 PM
Today I took another step ... went bra shopping at Victoria's Secret! While I didn't purchase a bra, I did figure out I am currently a 36C ... "man boobs" doing the job. I picked up a couple of 38B bras to try on and then got up the nerve to ask one of the VS representatives to give me some advice. Nicole was awesome and I wasn't her first TG person she had served, I was her 2nd.

After a few tries, we finally found 2 types of VS bras that fit reasonably well - (a) very sexy push-up and (b) sexy illusions push-up Plunge.

I didn't purchase a bra because I am afraid to bring the item into the home and having it accidentally found. But, I know what to purchase when the time is right.

I have to say I felt completely comfortable and happy wearing the bra and can see a better picture of myself in the future.

Onward I journey.

Hugs Ashley

Hugs Zoey!... PM sent....

A🙋‍♀️💕🌻
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

Ashley's Corner: https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,247549.0.html 🌻
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dee82

Hey Zoey, you look fantastic! Such a difference in such a short time.

Quote from: Zoey421 on December 29, 2018, 01:41:40 AM


Zoey

Quote from: Zoey421 on December 29, 2018, 07:54:37 PM
Today I took another step ... went bra shopping at Victoria's Secret!

Again, wow! You go girl! I find thinking about your positive steps and boldness really encouraging.

~Dee.
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KimOct

Zoey You Rock !!  I need say no more.  :)
The first transphobe you have to conquer is yourself
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Zoey421

Hi, the holidays were tough, I have to admit. I was accused of living a double life, having identified as transgender be described as "it", that I alone was responsible for the breakdown of my marriage because I came out, that I'm extremely selfish, and I'm not considering the impact, particularly on my children, of my "lifestyle" choice.

I was hurt by all of this ... it felt like I was being discriminated and harassed by my own family, okay, wife. I'm still hurt days later and although my resolve out admitting that I am more woman than man, transgendered, is strong I have to admit it was questioning why I admitted this to myself.

I know there will more times like this and I will get through.

I want to thank everyone who was there for me over the last few days ... you know who you are.

Many Hugs Zoey xoxoxo
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KimOct

When people say hurtful things it is more a reflection of who they are than anything else.  Calling you selfish for being honest is absurd.  The selfish one is the person that wants you to live a lie no matter the cost to you.
The first transphobe you have to conquer is yourself
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Zoey421

Quote from: KimOct on January 02, 2019, 02:38:23 PM
When people say hurtful things it is more a reflection of who they are than anything else.  Calling you selfish for being honest is absurd.  The selfish one is the person that wants you to live a lie no matter the cost to you.

Thanks, Kim.

Hugs Zoey
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Maid Marion

Hi Zoey,

Congratulations on bra shopping and finding something that fits!  No easy assignment!

Marion
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tgirlamg

Quote from: KimOct on January 02, 2019, 02:38:23 PM
When people say hurtful things it is more a reflection of who they are than anything else.  Calling you selfish for being honest is absurd.  The selfish one is the person that wants you to live a lie no matter the cost to you.

Word!!!....

All shall be well Zoey!... Stay in touch and let us know how to help and vent to your heart's content... The birth of beautiful things often involves sone pain but, know you have sisters here to help you through it!!!

Hugs and Love!!!

Onward we go brave sister!!!

Ashley 🙋‍♀️💕🌻
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

Ashley's Corner: https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,247549.0.html 🌻
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Zoey421

Another week and I'm still a believer, a believer in me, accepting my true self. It hasn't been easy, I'll tell you, and, man-oh-man, everything is moving at light speed. That is uncomfortable.

So, what happened. Well, I went back to work; that was good because now I'm out of the house for credible reasons as opposed to disappearing for the day to lead my double life. I was shopping and, yes, I didn't want to stay home and do nothing over the holidays. What I have learned this week and need to integrate is that I am leading a double life. I think this has to be a usual experience for trans people who have recently come out. So, Zoey, don't get hung up, don't get mad or hurt when people point out that you are leading a double life, because, you are. That's okay.

What else ... I had dinner with a lovely trans woman. It was amazing to hear first hand someone else's story, to meet someone in person from my new and loving community. First, I asked her which pronouns she would like me to use. She has gone by they/them in past but is now getting comfortable with she/her; use either was her response. I have to say, however, my own homophobic bias bit me in the ass, quietly, when I said hello and she responded with a distinctively deep male voice. I wasn't expecting that. I was ashamed because I knew better and that is how engrained society's bias towards trans people is embedded deep within me. It's a silent killer. I know better. By the end of the dinner, my new friend was just another interesting person, who is smart, thoughtful, outspoken, and is living her reality as she defines it, not by someone else's vision. I saw her beyond her being a trans woman. I was glad to get a hug at the end of the dinner as we said good night. That felt really nice.

The dinner reaffirmed that every trans person's experience is unique, so, Zoey, don't get hung up on your deeply embedded patriarchal bias. Recognize this bias exists and work hard to push it aside. You know better and, remember, you will experience the same homophobic response from others so be ready to hear that and to educate people as required.

On the divorce front, I found an absolutely amazing 1,000 square foot suite, furnished, nicely appointed with a gourmet kitchen, for which I am finalizing a lease agreement for less the $2,000 CAD per month. In Vancouver, this is spectacular; right place, right timing. I saw the property yesterday, applied on-line last night, got a call a 10:30 am this morning and had to make a decision to take the property all within less than 24 hours. My brother is loaning me cash so I can secure the suite because capital is currently tied up in RRSPs. Wow, that was fast!!!





My spouse doesn't know yet about the suite and that is a Saturday discussion. It is actually nicer is many respects that our home! I have an appointment with a family lawyer on Monday. We have not told the kids about the separation, me moving out, or the eventual divorce. My spouse and I need a joint plan of action before we tell the kids, so I'm anticipating more difficult discussions over the next few days.

Then there is the trans elephant in the room ... I still need to come out to my kids, but I want to ensure the divorce and my trans acceptance are dealt with separately and not conflate the two issues, nothwithstanding they are related. I just believe it will be too much disruption and change for the kids to tell them both issues at the same time.

More negotiations. More hurdles. More stress.

I am so thank you to be able to share my feelings, thoughts, and experiences with all of you. Thank you, sisters and brothers, for your support. Luv u all!

Hugs Zoey xoxoxo





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KimOct

Wow Zoey - Good for you. I am reminded of my own transition a few years ago.  As Ashley will confirm I was on a mission and as she has told me so was she - in a different way than me.

I started seeing a therapist in May 2016 and by June 2017 I had come out to everyone - started HRT - changed my name - drivers license - birth certificate - social security (didn't know they record your gender ) 80 hours electrolysis and had an orchiectomy.  I thought it was a lot in 13 months.  I was determined to do this and obviously so are you.

As for the transwoman with the deep voice reminds me of when I made my first date with a guy ( which he stood me up on ) reason?  At least he was honest - my voice was too deep on the phone. OMG  do you understand the definition of transgender? UGH. I ended up taking voice lessons and it's not great but better than it was.  I don't try very hard - just enough to take the edge off and not sound down at a very low deep pitch.

So don't beat yourself up.  We all have internalized transphobia - we were all part of society - it is bred into us.  The challenge is to overcome it.  Hence my signature line.

With respect to a double life - Yeah that is usually the deal at first.  I don't know which is harder the double life for a little while or the first few months that you are fully transitioned.  Think of it as a bandage and rip it off.  Just get it done.   It's been since March 1 2017 since I went 100% full time all the time and now it is just who I am.  You will get there too.  This is the tough time but I can tell you are up to it.
The first transphobe you have to conquer is yourself
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