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Started by VirgoVenus, December 19, 2018, 03:00:51 PM

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VirgoVenus

Almost 2 years ago, I met an amazing trans woman. (I am a cis pansexual woman.) A friendship turned into a romance - despite a few challenges: intense careers, both of us having coparenting struggles from previous relationships and living in different cities. We certainly had intense mutual attraction and feelings for each other.

She came out several years ago and has gone through ups and downs with HRT. Overall though, she's been in a pretty solid place regarding her gender, but definitely felt dysphoric about her face. Last year, while I was visiting her, she told me that she was seriously pursuing FFS. A few months later, during another visit together, she told me had chosen a surgeon and had a date set. I was overjoyed for her. What a monumental step! I view her as someone who always puts other needs above her own. To me, FFS is a beautiful act of self-love, a declaration that she wants to be alive, to exist as more fully as who she is inside, to bring her internal vision of herself into alignment with who she sees in the mirror. I was vocal about my enthusiastic support for her.

Having lost her marriage a few years ago, a truly devastating loss during transition, she admitted that pursuing FFS while in a fairly new romantic relationship with me was terrifying. She said, "I can't bear for anyone to love me, or even like me, right now. I just want to be alone." So we decided to end our romantic relationship and remain friends. Since last that in-person conversation, there would be several weeks where I wouldn't hear from her. I wrote her a few letters to tell her I was still thinking of her and still cared. I have been broken-hearted but ultimately understood that she needed to go this alone. I have since dated casually, but no one compares to her.

Recently, we've been in touch again. Nothing overtly romantic, but some little hints from her. During the lead up to her surgery, we talked daily. I continued to express my support and I sent her books to read while she recovered that I knew she would enjoy. Two hours after she was out of surgery, she let me know she was doing well and we continued to communicate through her immediate post-op period. My hope is that we can re-ignite our romance sometime in the future, now that she has accomplished this major step. She will be in my city for work in the spring. I have not broached this topic with her because I want her to focus on her recovery right now. However, I can't help but wonder. Am I crazy to think there is a possibility of romantic connection again?
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NatalieRene

Welcome VirgoVenus,

It's possible there is only really one way to find out and that is to be direct. You shouldn't wait too long though but not be too soon. I think you have the right idea to wait until she is healed up and then ask. Maybe start going out as friends might even rekindle things when she is back in town.
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CindyLouFromCO

Quote from: VirgoVenus on December 19, 2018, 03:00:51 PM
Almost 2 years ago, I met an amazing trans woman. (I am a cis pansexual woman.) A friendship turned into a romance - despite a few challenges: intense careers, both of us having coparenting struggles from previous relationships and living in different cities. We certainly had intense mutual attraction and feelings for each other.

She came out several years ago and has gone through ups and downs with HRT. Overall though, she's been in a pretty solid place regarding her gender, but definitely felt dysphoric about her face. Last year, while I was visiting her, she told me that she was seriously pursuing FFS. A few months later, during another visit together, she told me had chosen a surgeon and had a date set. I was overjoyed for her. What a monumental step! I view her as someone who always puts other needs above her own. To me, FFS is a beautiful act of self-love, a declaration that she wants to be alive, to exist as more fully as who she is inside, to bring her internal vision of herself into alignment with who she sees in the mirror. I was vocal about my enthusiastic support for her.

Having lost her marriage a few years ago, a truly devastating loss during transition, she admitted that pursuing FFS while in a fairly new romantic relationship with me was terrifying. She said, "I can't bear for anyone to love me, or even like me, right now. I just want to be alone." So we decided to end our romantic relationship and remain friends. Since last that in-person conversation, there would be several weeks where I wouldn't hear from her. I wrote her a few letters to tell her I was still thinking of her and still cared. I have been broken-hearted but ultimately understood that she needed to go this alone. I have since dated casually, but no one compares to her.

Recently, we've been in touch again. Nothing overtly romantic, but some little hints from her. During the lead up to her surgery, we talked daily. I continued to express my support and I sent her books to read while she recovered that I knew she would enjoy. Two hours after she was out of surgery, she let me know she was doing well and we continued to communicate through her immediate post-op period. My hope is that we can re-ignite our romance sometime in the future, now that she has accomplished this major step. She will be in my city for work in the spring. I have not broached this topic with her because I want her to focus on her recovery right now. However, I can't help but wonder. Am I crazy to think there is a possibility of romantic connection again?

Hi,
I think you may be able to have that connection again.

I understand how she felt.  I feel the same way with my boyfriend.  He really does love me.  However as I age I feel like I'm loosing some of my feminine qualities in my looks.  Sometimes I'm taken back by how attractive he is to me.  I think "what if I don't looks so pretty in another year?"  Will he still want to be with me?

He does not want me to have any surgeries because he likes me the way I am.  However he knows it's my choice.  He does not know that I'm saving up money to have some forehead work done to open up my eyes and bring back my youthful look.

He is also 7 years younger than me.

It's really hard having these thoughts of "Am I good enough, good looking for him"  or "will he lose attraction to me someday?"

So to help remove those thoughts I'm moving forward with my surgery in the near future.

So I would show her confidence in the way she is as she is.  That is what keeps me at bay, and keeps my focus on us.  Not on my looks.  I hate it when I'm distracted from him because I'm worried about my forehead or eyes or something.  That's probably how your girlfriend felt.

Also when on HRT sometimes peoples sexual preference can change or switch.  So that is something to consider when trying to restart a relationship if that is your goal.

I guess see how she reacts in person after her FFS.  FYI she will have ups and downs after FFS.  So there will be times she will feel down or uncomfortable or maybe ugly, and times she feels great, beautiful, feminine and confident.  After 8 months or so post FFS she should be feeling more confident and her true self.
I've taken what others have offered, so now I'm giving back.
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VirgoVenus

Quote from: NatalieRene on December 19, 2018, 03:16:17 PM
Welcome VirgoVenus,

It's possible there is only really one way to find out and that is to be direct. You shouldn't wait too long though but not be too soon. I think you have the right idea to wait until she is healed up and then ask. Maybe start going out as friends might even rekindle things when she is back in town.

I will certainly try to make plans to hang out as friends, maybe just lunch, and see where it goes. I'll be sure to look cute though ;) Thank you for your thoughtful reply!
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VirgoVenus

Quote from: CindyLouFromCO on December 19, 2018, 03:32:48 PM
Hi,
I think you may be able to have that connection again.

I understand how she felt.  I feel the same way with my boyfriend.  He really does love me.  However as I age I feel like I'm loosing some of my feminine qualities in my looks.  Sometimes I'm taken back by how attractive he is to me.  I think "what if I don't looks so pretty in another year?"  Will he still want to be with me?

He does not want me to have any surgeries because he likes me the way I am.  However he knows it's my choice.  He does not know that I'm saving up money to have some forehead work done to open up my eyes and bring back my youthful look.

He is also 7 years younger than me.

It's really hard having these thoughts of "Am I good enough, good looking for him"  or "will he lose attraction to me someday?"

So to help remove those thoughts I'm moving forward with my surgery in the near future.

So I would show her confidence in the way she is as she is.  That is what keeps me at bay, and keeps my focus on us.  Not on my looks.  I hate it when I'm distracted from him because I'm worried about my forehead or eyes or something.  That's probably how your girlfriend felt.

Also when on HRT sometimes peoples sexual preference can change or switch.  So that is something to consider when trying to restart a relationship if that is your goal.

I guess see how she reacts in person after her FFS.  FYI she will have ups and downs after FFS.  So there will be times she will feel down or uncomfortable or maybe ugly, and times she feels great, beautiful, feminine and confident.  After 8 months or so post FFS she should be feeling more confident and her true self.

Cindy, thank you so much for sharing your insight. Your boyfriend sounds like a sweetheart and I'm optimistic that he will be supportive of your upcoming surgery!

I know that my own sexuality has been fluid over the years and so I don't think I've assumed hers would be stable either, though I guess I assumed that after several (5?) years of HRT, it might not be a factor on a change in sexual preference? Regardless, I hope to move forward with her with an open heart and an open mind and really listen to how she's feeling, even if that means we stay just friends, because I really care about her!
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NatalieRene

Quote from: VirgoVenus on December 19, 2018, 03:40:51 PM
I will certainly try to make plans to hang out as friends, maybe just lunch, and see where it goes. I'll be sure to look cute though ;) Thank you for your thoughtful reply!

I wish you both luck. Cute sounds good.
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VirgoVenus

Sent her a special care package while she's been recovering and it was appreciated! <3
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Moonflower

Quote from: VirgoVenus on December 19, 2018, 03:56:07 PM
I hope to move forward with her with an open heart and an open mind and really listen to how she's feeling, even if that means we stay just friends, because I really care about her!
Perfect!
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She began MTF HRT but had adverse reactions, so gave up on transitioning medically.
Summer 2022 I went through gender confirmation surgery as a result of cancer.
2024 my wife submitted letters approving of medically transitioning, she's legally changing her name and gender on all of her and our documents and accounts.
January 2025!  SURGERY!

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Linde

Quote from: VirgoVenus on December 27, 2018, 04:33:31 PM
Sent her a special care package while she's been recovering and it was appreciated! <3
You sound so sweet and caring!  Any woman with the appropriate sexual orientation should be happy to have you!

I wish I would meet a person like you!

Hugs
Linde
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Jessica

@VirgoVenus

Quote from: VirgoVenus on December 19, 2018, 03:00:51 PM
Almost 2 years ago, I met an amazing trans woman. (I am a cis pansexual woman.) A friendship turned into a romance - despite a few challenges: intense careers, both of us having coparenting struggles from previous relationships and living in different cities. We certainly had intense mutual attraction and feelings for each other.

She came out several years ago and has gone through ups and downs with HRT. Overall though, she's been in a pretty solid place regarding her gender, but definitely felt dysphoric about her face. Last year, while I was visiting her, she told me that she was seriously pursuing FFS. A few months later, during another visit together, she told me had chosen a surgeon and had a date set. I was overjoyed for her. What a monumental step! I view her as someone who always puts other needs above her own. To me, FFS is a beautiful act of self-love, a declaration that she wants to be alive, to exist as more fully as who she is inside, to bring her internal vision of herself into alignment with who she sees in the mirror. I was vocal about my enthusiastic support for her.

Having lost her marriage a few years ago, a truly devastating loss during transition, she admitted that pursuing FFS while in a fairly new romantic relationship with me was terrifying. She said, "I can't bear for anyone to love me, or even like me, right now. I just want to be alone." So we decided to end our romantic relationship and remain friends. Since last that in-person conversation, there would be several weeks where I wouldn't hear from her. I wrote her a few letters to tell her I was still thinking of her and still cared. I have been broken-hearted but ultimately understood that she needed to go this alone. I have since dated casually, but no one compares to her.

Recently, we've been in touch again. Nothing overtly romantic, but some little hints from her. During the lead up to her surgery, we talked daily. I continued to express my support and I sent her books to read while she recovered that I knew she would enjoy. Two hours after she was out of surgery, she let me know she was doing well and we continued to communicate through her immediate post-op period. My hope is that we can re-ignite our romance sometime in the future, now that she has accomplished this major step. She will be in my city for work in the spring. I have not broached this topic with her because I want her to focus on her recovery right now. However, I can't help but wonder. Am I crazy to think there is a possibility of romantic connection again?

Hi VirgoVenus 🙋‍♀️ Welcome to Susan's Place!  I'm Jessica.
I think you have a good chance at rekindling the romance.


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VirgoVenus

Quote from: Dietlind on December 30, 2018, 11:10:48 PM
You sound so sweet and caring!  Any woman with the appropriate sexual orientation should be happy to have you!

I wish I would meet a person like you!

Hugs
Linde

Aww thanks Linde!
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