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What is the deal with being hyper aware/afraid of Men I do not know

Started by Ricki Wright, January 22, 2019, 10:01:54 PM

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Ricki Wright

So this is new:

Prologue: 10 weeks on HRT, I still am very much still presenting as "Male" at work.

As I am leaving the building after work today, I step out of the elevator and there were four men, all in suits (which just looking at makes my skin crawl...) and all taller than I am, which is not particularly hard as I am 5'8. And a quarter!

They all turned to use the elevator I was exiting and they all looked at me. I knew it was because I was the only person in the elevator and they were waiting for me to clear the door, but I froze. It was only for a fraction of a second, but I froze. Trained military me. Former Police officer me...Froze? Looking back I think I have been subconsciously keeping distance from Men I don't know.

What gives?
At 5 I forgot who I am. Fortunately, who I am protected me all these years until I remembered. Whatever else happens, I will live the rest of my life whole.
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KathyLauren

You are a trans woman.  That is a perfectly natural reaction for a woman.  Keeping your distance from strange men is pretty common, and may be necessary for survival in some areas.

Or some PTSD from military or police service?

Either way, it sounds like you have good instincts: stop, assess the threat, them move on.
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jill610

I don't know that I agree that this is a normal reaction for a woman. Women don't freeze when a guy looks at her, or eyes her up.

But I think it is normal in early transition, your body hasn't caught up to the brain and your instincts havnt developed yet so you got caught in a situation you were not yet equipped to handle. When you are full time it will fall in quickly.

I used to be petrified of walking to my car from my office alone once the sun was down. I knew the neighborhoods well and it was all very safe, but I was afraid of what would happen if I got "clocked" at night in PhiladelphIa. As I got more accustomed to how people react to me and more confident in myself, those issues kind of melt away.

You DO need to be more safety aware but freezing because some random checks you out is not normal for a cis woman and draws more attention.

I found the "in between" transition zone to be the worst.


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GingerVicki

Many men have made passes at me and if I do not know them I do not make eye contact. If they persist, which many do, I duck, dodge, and leave.
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KathyLauren

Quote from: jill610 on January 23, 2019, 09:53:46 AM
I don't know that I agree that this is a normal reaction for a woman. Women don't freeze when a guy looks at her, or eyes her up.
You are right.  My comment was not so much about the freezing and more about the hyper-awareness.
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Allison S

Ummm.... I don't mind being around a group of guys if it's a professional setting. Even on the train I'm ususlly okay with it during the day or at least not very late at night... Sometimes it's a bit odd, but life is odd. I don't like when I'm swarmed by women and I'm surrounded by all women it feels weird to me

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jill610

Quote from: KathyLauren on January 23, 2019, 11:30:55 AM
You are right.  My comment was not so much about the freezing and more about the hyper-awareness.

To be hyper aware is not normal for cis. You develop a heightened subconscious awareness and learn to identify threatening behavior more easily. But I still think a hyper awareness is not something normal for women, or anyone really. Too much conscious effort...

In the in between transition maybe, but for different reasons.

Guys are the same way but look for different things subconsciously... potential mates, threats etc.


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Ricki Wright

Quote from: jill610 on January 23, 2019, 03:27:16 PM
To be hyper aware is not normal for cis. You develop a heightened subconscious awareness and learn to identify threatening behavior more easily. But I still think a hyper awareness is not something normal for women, or anyone really. Too much conscious effort...

In the in between transition maybe, but for different reasons.

Guys are the same way but look for different things subconsciously... potential mates, threats etc.


It sounds like I get to look forward to always be looking at hands when I go full time? <shrugs> ok. It just caught me entirely off guard. Thanks all for your feedback :D
At 5 I forgot who I am. Fortunately, who I am protected me all these years until I remembered. Whatever else happens, I will live the rest of my life whole.
My story: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,244130.0.html
HRT 07Nov18
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jill610

Quote from: Ricki Wright on January 23, 2019, 08:47:43 PM

It sounds like I get to look forward to always be looking at hands when I go full time? <shrugs> ok. It just caught me entirely off guard. Thanks all for your feedback :D
Sorry still on narcotics from my grs and ffs so my filter is off.

I am sure it caught you off guard. Don't sweat it and try to relax. Easier said than done.


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Kylo

I'm not easily intimidated but by the very nature of my difference, and knowing I am different from most people, has always made me hyper-aware. Perhaps to the point of mild paranoia, although it's very much controllable.

I would not be surprised if you are more anxious on estrogens (if you take them). That was its main negative psychological feature in my experience. There are good aspects of it as well but the huge negative is the anxiety it causes, specifically around other people. It made me more self-conscious and/or anxious in the presence of others.
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Allison S

Quote from: Kylo on January 23, 2019, 10:42:12 PM
I'm not easily intimidated but by the very nature of my difference, and knowing I am different from most people, has always made me hyper-aware. Perhaps to the point of mild paranoia, although it's very much controllable.

I would not be surprised if you are more anxious on estrogens (if you take them). That was its main negative psychological feature in my experience. There are good aspects of it as well but the huge negative is the anxiety it causes, specifically around other people. It made me more self-conscious and/or anxious in the presence of others.
That's so interesting to hear your take on estrogen as a ftm. I know estrogen is balancing my thoughts, behaviors and actions. But sometimes I wonder if it's the huge decrease in testosterone rather than estrogen? I know my estrogen will go down, but it's been at a consistent level for the last year or so... There's negatives to both estrogen and testosterone but I'm now thinking in terms of what I prefer to deal with mentally and emotionally.

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KimOct

First of all I'm jealous of being 5 8.  Kidding but serious too.  As for being hyper aware/afraid I wouldn't say my feelings are that strong but I do feel different around men than I used to.

Women in general seem to be much more comfortable with me than men.  I notice it where I work in particular.  The women are much more friendly than before my transition and the men are more distant.  This is a broad generalization but true for the most part.

I think many men are also threatened by us in terms of their own masculinity and therefore we are threatened by them as well.  In your case you are still presenting as male at work but you know in your own head who you are and where you are heading.  Most likely IMHO you are projecting your own self awareness onto others.  The old - 'do they know?' kind of thing.

The early days of transitioning and even planning to transition are tough.  Both from my own experience and speaking with other trans friends the early time is the hardest.  Eventually you will settle into who you really are and some of these unexpected feelings will fade or evolve.  As for me my days of 'back slapping' good ole boy type of getting along are done but they were just an act anyway.  I am relating to both men and women as my true self.
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Ricki Wright

Quote from: KimOct on January 24, 2019, 08:13:58 PM
First of all I'm jealous of being 5 8.  Kidding but serious too.  As for being hyper aware/afraid I wouldn't say my feelings are that strong but I do feel different around men than I used to.

Women in general seem to be much more comfortable with me than men.  I notice it where I work in particular.  The women are much more friendly than before my transition and the men are more distant.  This is a broad generalization but true for the most part.

I think many men are also threatened by us in terms of their own masculinity and therefore we are threatened by them as well.  In your case you are still presenting as male at work but you know in your own head who you are and where you are heading.  Most likely IMHO you are projecting your own self awareness onto others.  The old - 'do they know?' kind of thing.

The early days of transitioning and even planning to transition are tough.  Both from my own experience and speaking with other trans friends the early time is the hardest.  Eventually you will settle into who you really are and some of these unexpected feelings will fade or evolve.  As for me my days of 'back slapping' good ole boy type of getting along are done but they were just an act anyway.  I am relating to both men and women as my true self.

wow.. this got me thinking. First I was 5'10 when I joined the military at 20. 10 years of metal decks and running I got out at 5'9". Age took the last inch I think. Throw in the hair and I will trade you heights, but I am sooo keeping my shoe size! :p

Your thoughts about knowing who I am hit me as true. Before I would just pull my experiences as male around me like a suit of armor when dealing with other men. My military training, my kids, hell my divorce and that was a buffer. It was basically fluffing myself up like a kitten - I am BIIIIIG!!!! It was total psychological warfare and I was really good at it. Now I no longer have that and I am nekkid emotionally.

As my chest right now feels like it is home to a large family of bees, I think I better get something to replace it and soon.

Good Call Kim :D
At 5 I forgot who I am. Fortunately, who I am protected me all these years until I remembered. Whatever else happens, I will live the rest of my life whole.
My story: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,244130.0.html
HRT 07Nov18
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Sabrina Rei

Quote from: Ricki Wright on January 22, 2019, 10:01:54 PM
So this is new:

Prologue: 10 weeks on HRT, I still am very much still presenting as "Male" at work.

As I am leaving the building after work today, I step out of the elevator and there were four men, all in suits (which just looking at makes my skin crawl...) and all taller than I am, which is not particularly hard as I am 5'8. And a quarter!

They all turned to use the elevator I was exiting and they all looked at me. I knew it was because I was the only person in the elevator and they were waiting for me to clear the door, but I froze. It was only for a fraction of a second, but I froze. Trained military me. Former Police officer me...Froze? Looking back I think I have been subconsciously keeping distance from Men I don't know.

What gives?

Your reaction and the freezing up is most likely just lizard brain stuff. Your relationship to men is changing biologically and the hormones are building the instinctual patterns of a female. Your body and mind are developing as if you were an egg bearer. Protecting yourself from aggressive male suitors in order to choose the most viable mate is tantamount to the survival of the species. Send the wrong signal or allow yourself to get surrounded and you risk being attacked. You just need time for your rational brain to understand this change in dynamic and develop the mental armor other women conjure subconsciously in their day to day.

HappyMoni

I think that early in the transition process, we don't have confidence in our 'new' selves. Before we get more confidence, it often happens that the old guilt and shame does a number on our head. We wonder if we are doing the right thing. Will people hate us or hurt us?  We want to be our true selves, but in the process of getting there we want to keep our dignity. It is a very fearful and unsettled time. Logically, those four guys can't see what is in our head, but we might wonder, "Do they know?" You are stepping into new emotionally vulnerable territory and here come these four potential threats. Your mind is probably stuck between two worlds at that moment. Okay, this might not be you specifically, but in general, I think this is pausable. I used to get this way when just starting to present female. Four guys would make me real nervous. You were still dressed male, but maybe it is a sign of your mental change that you paused. The good news is that once transition happens this can get easier. The more confidence you have in presenting to the world as yourself, the more you are just a woman passing by four men. Of course if those men act suspicious, we are more vulnerable as is any woman alone in that spot. I would say that during the early stages of a transition, a lot of thoughts and emotions have to be gotten through to get to where you want to be. Keep in mind, they are transition thoughts many times, and not thoughts that will stay with you forever.
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KimOct

Quote from: Ricki Wright on January 25, 2019, 11:45:22 PM
wow.. this got me thinking.

Throw in the hair and I will trade you heights, but I am sooo keeping my shoe

Hi Rikki - Two thoughts
1.  Glad I gave you food for thought.  I don't expect everyone to always agree with me - some of my opinions are kind of extreme - but I do like to give others a reason to contemplate things.   When I was first transitioning that is what the people that were the most helpful to me did for me.

2.  I know we were both kind of kidding about the height and hair thing.  There is a worthwhile true point here also.  Pretty much every transwoman that I know has something that bothers them about their appearance - even the very pretty ones.  Especially us later in life transitioners.  I am the exception that at my age I have all of my hair.  I am OLD.  OK I will admit it AGAIN.  58.  Almost all of my friends in their 40s 50s and 60s have to wear wigs and it bothers many quite a bit.

I on the other hand hate it that I am 6'2". Talk about easy to clock.  I can just barely buy shoes without special ordering them and buying tops is a nightmare.

The point is that very few of us look like cis women.  A few do either with very lucky genetics or surgery but for most of us it ain't happening. 

That is one of the many reasons I think accepting yourself as trans and trying to get over the hiding is so important.  Going through life trying to hide is no fun.  Just some important thoughts IMO that sprung from a couple of just kidding around thoughts.
The first transphobe you have to conquer is yourself
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