If you have already read my previous thread, you would know that I recently came out to my mother and a few other people... Well, my mother seemed supportive but she is very religous and sometimes looks too much into what is "APPROVED" of in today's society.

She handed me this short news blurb yesterday from the University of Mississippi Medical Center:
"A seventeen-year-old boy displayed transsexual traits--he walked, talked, stood, sat, and dressed like a girl. A sex change operation was considered. Doctors, however, taught the boy to alter these characteristics one at a time. A year later he is, doctors say, "in all respects functioning in his true physical role as a male.""

I believe that what the doctors did was COMPLETELY out of line. I feel that this is equivelent to brain-washing a biological girl that is happy as herself, to become a boy. I DO believe that people can change but that PEOPLE SHOULDN't CHANGE PEOPLE. I have read the bible some and I believe these verses apply:

1 "Stop judging that YOU may not be judged; 2 for with what judgment YOU are judging, YOU will be judged; and with the measure that YOU are measuring out, they will measure out to YOU. 3 Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother's eye, but do not consider the rafter in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Allow me to extract the straw from your eye'; when, look! a rafter is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First extract the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to extract the straw from your brother's eye.

I am making the following applications of these five verses:
1-People that live today all know that none of us are perfect.
2-If people are all imperfect, why would people try to change people? (I do NOT mean that trying to show people hope in a situation where hope is lost is bad.) (THAT kind of change is good.) (For MOST people like that)
3-People can change (Life course, attitude, clothes, ect...ect...ect...)
4-The doctors in the news blurb were all imperfect (obviously) and thus had a sort of bad in them (people today sin) If they thought that the were so high and mighty that they should even think about trying to change people, I believe that they have somthing coming for them. I wouldn't really know how to end this post so this is how im doing it

THE END

That's just...ugh!

Some people are sooo caught up in their own little perceptin of life, that they will try to alter the surrounding world to fit theirs.

It's stupid. Was the poor kid given a choice in this matter at all? And please do bear in mind that's it pretty damn hard to make a choice when you don't know the options available to you.

Arh, but it pisses me off.

Indeed, try looking at yourself before you start judging others. Don't be so closed. Don't be so self-absorbed that you only see other people's mistakes and not your own. These people will even say that no mistakes were made, and unintended results are due to the flaws in the surrounding beliefs. Gawd!

I'm always open to new opinions. It is my belief that people have the right to believe whatever they believe, and I won't try to force my beliefs on them either. If a mad-man tells me he's seeing purple birds whenever he looks outside I -believe- that he truly believes that. Whether it's real or not is an entirely different matter, but I except him to believe that I do not believe there are purple birds outside.

The doctors should accept that some people believe that they were born in the wrong body.

A friend of mine, who knows of my situation and who is veeeery open-minded to that effect, talked with anotehr friend of his about me. The other friend is a devoted Christian, but a realistic one at that. As such, he doesn't actually condemn me. We tried to figure out what God had done wrong. Far as I can tell, there are three parts to a human. The Mind, the Body and the Soul.

In the end, I -do- want to change myself. The question is, which part of me is flawed? Should I have had a female body to match my female mind? Or should I have had a male mind to match my male body?

The soul? Well, that'd serve as some indication. What colour is your soul? Mine is female, and as such, I need to make my body match. I'm open to the suggestion that it might be the other way around for some people! Someone mind have gotten the wrong mind in the process, and so, the mind should be changed? Well, I don't know about that, actually. I believe, with the methods doctors use today, changing a mind is a -lot- more dangerous than changing a body.

Gah, I don't know.

People should be given the choice, and make that choice knowing full what their options were.

As we have done.


~Moi

That is HORRID. And you know, all they've done is buy that poor girl a few years of denial and heartache, and then a transition made that much more difficult because it didn't happen sooner. If the poor thing doesn't just end up taking her own life from all the conflicted shame and anguish she feels. Unknown_ID, don't fall into that same trap. Be careful hon.

~Simone.

Sorry.   I'm a full-fledged adult and I don't think it's going to be any easier for me to come out, either.  Hang in there and be true to yourself.

Jay

Some might flame me for this, but if I could be brainwashed to be a "normal" person, I would want that.

I forgot for the most part who I was.  Mind you, I remember the things I experienced in the past but the person that experienced them is fading quite quickly from my memory and my present frame of reference.

8 years ago, before I started full time, I got rid of everything that came from my past; pictures, clothes and even any written material and other paraphernalia that didn't belong in my new life.  I changed all my ID and so on, and now when I think back on things, it is usually the good parts of my past that I visit. The bad things I have experienced in my life I have dealt with and dispatched them to universe. I no longer see that kid growing into adulthood as a boy, I don't remember what that boy looked like, so I have transposed the fading memory by the image of the girl that I knew has always been me.

Cindy   

Quote from: irfakt on April 12, 2008, 04:30:39 AM
Some might flame me for this, but if I could be brainwashed to be a "normal" person, I would want that.

Oh dear, certainly no flaming from me. Well, I believe we've all been at a point where we'd just like to 'fit in' and be 'normal'. I know I have, and I've been tempted to try and just be, well, normal, but I know it would not solve anything and it would only cause me more grief.

And I won't discourage you from doing anything to that effect (as I wrote, it might be the best solution for some), just make sure that it is what you really want. Well, we'd say the same no matter what you were considering. Make sure this is the way you want to go!

Fortunately, that choice is up to you. And you should, by now, know that you -have- a choice.

Hrm, I talked to a friend of mine about something like this. She said that she would be -very- offended if anyone offered to alter her brain so that she would never think about being a girl. She is who she is, and she is not a boy no matter what her body says. It's her body that needs to match her brain, not the other way around. But I know there must be people who feel the opposite.


~Moi

Quote from: Unknown ID on April 11, 2008, 05:09:39 PM
She handed me this short news blurb yesterday from the University of Mississippi Medical Center:
"A seventeen-year-old boy displayed transsexual traits--he walked, talked, stood, sat, and dressed like a girl. A sex change operation was considered. Doctors, however, taught the boy to alter these characteristics one at a time. A year later he is, doctors say, "in all respects functioning in his true physical role as a male."

Yeah, and if ze is still functioning in hir "true physical role as a male" in 18 months' time I will eat my hat.  With Lea and Perrins' sauce. 

A kid that age, participating in a university study from a pretty well regarded place, is subject to all sorts of safeguards from being abused, and making sure that the person knew what they were choosing.  Perhaps its the way they wanted to go?

What cannot be changed, is your core identity. Period. I am TS. My mind is entirely female, my body is male and it's the way that I was born. This is not my opinion. People who are TS are born that way, and it cannot be changed. It's well documented in the literature, including the work of Dr. Harry Benjamin. You could teach (train?) a person to behave in a different way, or to say what you want the person to say, but the core identity is not something that can be changed, and if you're TS, those feelings become STRONGER as the person ages.

If I had to make a choice, I'd prefer to be either male or female, preferably female...ANYTHING but TS. I can't be two people, or play two opposing gender roles. I don't want to be TS, but I am. I see myself entirely as a woman with a defective body. I'm in transition to correct the body so that the outside word can more easily see that I'm female. The mind cannot be changed; in the past, it was tried for many years, both in practice and in research, everything from shock therapy to brain surgery, with no positive results. That's why the current medical treatment consists of HRT and SRS, combined with therapy to help the person gain self-acceptance. Medical science learned that the mind cannot be changed, all that could be done would be to change the body.

sry that I haven't been posting on this forum for awhile... (my mom is watching me on my computer VERY CLOSELY) anyways, I made a poem (I needed some way to vent my sadness)(sorry if it sounds like a rap =/ :

COLORBLIND:

Some people today are colorblind, they can't really see whats inside.
Whether it be a person, a people a race or a NATION, they base thoughts on the outside without contemplation.

And then there are some with a colored-mind, and they really want to hide from the colorblind. And WHATEVER color their mind is (pink, middle, or blue) no matter what, this is true:

Those people who are colorblind, they are very scared that the colored-mind will NOT abide by the unwritten rules that society has laid on YOU. My dear God, THIS is true.


Posted on: April 12, 2008, 04:40:50 PM

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My mom FINALLY called a therapist. I am going to see her on saterday. I do not know how I am going to bring attention of this matter to the therapist... Maybe I should just come out and say it right after I sit down with her? I had already seen this therapist before but I am still uncomfortable about thinking about telling her...

Hell, I do believe that it is not the mind that needs a readjustment, it is the body.

Just to say I wasn't even aware of the word "transsexual," but I certainly felt GID tugging at me. Although I was not aware back then that this label existed. So I played out being a girl in the privacy of my home, then graduated to visiting other towns as Cindy, and then graduated to visiting friends with a GG friend. In my last grandiose test I went as Cindy in a girl's bathing suit to a vary large beach with literally hundreds of people.

Shortly after that I came out as me and never looked back. I must admit that I have questioned the reality of transsexualism. Why are we so driven to be some type of feminine entity? Why were we driven, so relentlessly driven, by what is referred to as GID? Although I'm still not entirely convinced that anyone fully understands all of the nature of transsexualism anomaly.  How could we hope to break down all the different parts in order to understand the whole?

After a couple of years I just gave up trying to figure it out.  It was obviously too big for me to wrap my mind around. Anyway, I don't even think the researchers have gained that much ground on the subject of  transsexualism. Many vague pieces are still required to be described and cataloged by the psyche researchers to make a complete picture.  But my own observations, are sufficient enough that I have come to the conclusion that who I am today was programed to be from conception. Can't beat 'em, then join 'em.

Cindy