QuoteI read the handout to mean that these are traits that a TS MAY present with prior to
transition.

LOL... that was what I posted way back on page 2 

Amanda

Quote from: Rachael on April 16, 2008, 07:42:34 AM


Im not seeing any shrink.... yet, (love you nhs)
so what am i? in denial? pre transition?

Yep, basically, the list works for maybe confirming if a person is pre, but during or after, id say most of those items disapear.
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Agreed. And one has to keep in mind that you don't need a therapist to get therapy. It is possible to work through your own problems as well. I do think though, that you are more likely, as a TS, to start out with that little list of issues than a member of the general population.

~Simone

And not all are things a person would present with. infact, most arnt... and even if someone had EVERY THING on that list, doesnt mean that they are a GID sufferer....
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QuoteAnd not all are things a person would present with. infact, most arnt...

I think the majority of responses here show that "this sample" show the list to be fairly
accurate. But it may be that the majority of people that responded it fits and so
they felt compelled to respond.

And I agree 100%, having everything on the list does not mean anything and having
nothing on the list does not mean anything. But for a lot of us it explains some things.

Amanda

how many who are TS responded??
how many are transitioned, how many are pre transition?
we dont have that data, all we know is it fit SOME people....


all those it fit may be bloody plumbers for all the data we have....
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Quoteall we know is it fit SOME people....

I agree and it does not fit you at all

Amanda

oh noes, im not ts! *sobs*

you felt like restating two things i said already?
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Quoteoh noes, im not ts! *sobs*

you felt like restating two things i said already?

I'm so sorry you feel that way sweetie... and yes I did thanks

Amanda

Quote from: Rachael on April 16, 2008, 09:55:29 AM

all those it fit may be bloody plumbers for all the data we have....
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So... you are asserting that plumbers are more or less likely to be TS?

Quote
Yep, basically, the list works for maybe confirming if a person is pre, but during or after, id say most of those items disapear.
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I should certainly hope so! Isn't that in large part the whole point?

However, as generally accurate as it is in describing my life while living in denial, I'd say it's pretty unhelpful: isn't the whole "not happy with assigned sex/gender" just a bit more reliable a measure? What really is the point of this list, other than as a parlor game? It's a little like those obnoxious "you know you're from Winnemucca if ..." lists that get distributed on the web, that always seem to have some clever comment about theose nutty Nevada drivers who don't know how to operate turn signals.

Many of the symptoms that were posted on this list, and how it applied to some and not others only tells how every one of us will have a different perception from the exact same observation or the derived by others from the same set of ideas, in this case, similarities determined from certain gender dysphoric  behaviour. This list is a good set of guidelines of what might be expected by the transperson during various times and phases of transition but will never be the same for everyone at any given time. 

This may result in a somewhat large variance from one person to another and also to estimate how much a particular individual has progressed according to this chart during their given transitional period of time. Such is the variance of human nature and its personal characteristics.  I have been 8 years full time and have undergone SRS four years ago and I can still identify with some of the behaviours and perceptions on the list.

Cindy

Quote from: soldierjane on April 16, 2008, 11:33:52 AM

Quote from: Rachael on April 16, 2008, 09:55:29 AM

all those it fit may be bloody plumbers for all the data we have....
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So... you are asserting that plumbers are more or less likely to be TS?

hypothetical.... please accept a metaphor a such.
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are they pre or post transition?

they have a pipe fixation... they love screwing stuff.... id think they were post op f2m


My point is, that yes these things happen to form a grouping. Yes we saw it here. Does that mean that  the list fits transsexuals because some agree?

well no, we havent found out WHAT the list groups?

IS it transsexualism?

is it undiagnosed gid?


im fairly positive it the latter... with some extentsion into transitioned transpeople when certain othe factors are met, ie, the person is clearly unhappy with thier life...
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Marci Bowers is a ts plumber ... uh, of sorts.

(sorry, couldn't resist. Where's a "duck and cover" icon when you need it?)



I agree they form a "group" of sorts, but is it meaningful? Even if it's highly correlated with non-diagnosed transsexual people, what is the intended use?

Quote from: redfish the metaphysician on April 16, 2008, 08:03:04 PM
Mario and Luigi are TS

you heard it here first

http://asame2.web.infoseek.co.jp/mariof5.html heehehe

Quote from: Alex on April 17, 2008, 07:02:35 AM

Quote from: redfish the metaphysician on April 16, 2008, 08:03:04 PM
Mario and Luigi are TS

you heard it here first

http://asame2.web.infoseek.co.jp/mariof5.html heehehe

*gigglesnort* !!! Damn! Sprayed a mouthful of water all over my keyboard. Grrrrrrr!!!!

   

~Simone.

oh dear....


is nothing sacred from trapification?
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Sometimes I think I'm trans, but reading that list only about half of those apply to me. For instance, I'm good with maths and can't read people at all. Maybe that's because I have some additional conditions...I almost certainly have Asperger's and OCD, and maybe others. I think I'm actually an androgyne but I tend to waffle between that and fully wanting to be a girl. I'm confused...

QuoteSometimes I think I'm trans, but reading that list only about half of those apply to me. For instance, I'm good with maths and can't read people at all. Maybe that's because I have some additional conditions...I almost certainly have Asperger's and OCD, and maybe others. I think I'm actually an androgyne but I tend to waffle between that and fully wanting to be a girl. I'm confused...

You might be trans if you have one of those or none of those... if you think you are. It's what's in you mind that counts... the
list is a list of common traits... not traits you need to have to be trans. Follow your heart.

And people with Asperger's have a lot of the same traits... expect one... they don't think of themselves as girls.

Amanda