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What do you like and dislike the most about the opposite gender?

Started by Jeannette, April 06, 2008, 06:40:04 AM

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Rachael

what do i like about boys??

Big shoulders,
strong chins
stubble
thier butts
thier smell
thier size
strenght
power

whats not to like?

aside from the idiot ones...
R >:D
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tekla

aside from the idiot ones...

That is not the thin slice of the pie however.
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lady amarant

Quote from: tekla on April 21, 2008, 02:00:37 PM
aside from the idiot ones...

That is not the thin slice of the pie however.

On the contrary, the un-idiot ones make up the tiniest of "I'm-on-a-strict-diet!" slices.

~Simone.
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Floating

Quote from: Rachael on April 21, 2008, 01:57:39 PM

thier smell

-snip-

Really??!?  Their smell?    That, along side their attitudes is at the top of my dislike list.  And I mean both natural and cologne, I can't stand either.

Crazy. ^_^

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Rachael

Hmmmmm


thier smell is intoxicating to me. Clean guys obviously... bo is nasty regardless of gender.

But a clean hot guy smells amazing to me! i dunno, its just really attractive when i smell a guys musky manly odour... it just sums them up in a wiff ^_^ (Hopeless i know)
R >:D
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Alyssa M.

female.

Good things about men?

They're not as afraid to be geeky. Everyone ought to be geeky in some way. You need some kind of ridiculous and unreasonable passion in life, whether it's sports, gaming, science, literature, music, or whatever. Men tend to be less afraid to be passionate about something without worrying about what other people will think.

Quote from: Putzie"What do you care what other people think?"

Bad things about men?

Their aggressiveness and lack of empathy. Team sports is the prime example. I hate playing team sports with men. It really brings out the worst -- tripping, punching, shoving, but hey, that's okay if you don't get called on it! But when the other team does it -- whoa!!! what a bunch of jerks!!! Did you see what that SOB did??!!!! ::) Yeah, women can get that way too, but it's not nearly as bad. Just as a general rule, I tend to observe that men are much less likely to try to see things from someone else's perspective, or to even care what that perspective is.

(I suppose the former stems in part from the latter...)
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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Rachael

Quote from: Alyssa M. on April 21, 2008, 04:15:55 PM



They're not as afraid to be geeky. Everyone ought to be geeky in some way. You need some kind of ridiculous and unreasonable passion in life, whether it's sports, gaming, science, literature, music, or whatever. Men tend to be less afraid to be passionate about something without worrying about what other people will think.


thats not barvery.... thats them not having a clue that being geeky is a socially suicidal thing.... men have no regard for how others see them to be honest. No concept of social image. From what ive seen.
R >:D
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Alyssa M.

Right -- hence my statement that the lack of empathy (related to not caring what other people think) leads to the geekiness.

The trouble is that excessive "un-geekiness" can make somebody at first impression seem really mellow and centered when they are just really boring and self-centered. You need some balance between the geekiness (i.e, some arbitrary passion) and the realization that nobody else necessarily cares about what you care about.
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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NicholeW.

Strangely enough when you sit across from male clients you find that more than let on can be empathetic. The problem is, according to them, they can show that to a woman therapist, just not around the other guys!! Enforced social stereotyping?

Guys are clueless when it comes to personal hygiene, often enough. "What!!? I don't smell anything!" "Here let me clean up." *brushes hair to the right and says "Ok, I'm ready now." *Grass-stained dungarees and body-odor reeking and a "wife-beater" for a top.*  :laugh:

Guys are always right, even when there's no clear-cut answer. An inability to ask for advice, unless they are in session.

And a fondness for hand-held gadgets: TV remotes come to mind, hold it like it's an extension of their penis.

What's good?

Umm. No, often enough guys can cut right to a knot and untie it. Guys can be loving, they just tend to go about it in a different fashion than many of us.

Many guys are kinda lovable. I think every woman should be able to rent at least one.  :laugh: :laugh:

Just kidding guys.

To press a point I've made elsewhere: guys? Give me a trans man.

Nichole
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tekla

men have no regard for how others see them to be honest.

That my dear, is braver than most women ever are.
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NicholeW.

Quote from: tekla on April 21, 2008, 06:26:23 PM
men have no regard for how others see them to be honest.

That my dear, is braver than most women ever are.

Uh-huh... you sure? Or is that a function of what is expected, socially speaking? Lots more women seem more inclined to be casual and without make-up and the trappings these days than say twenty years ago.

N~
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tekla

True that, but I think that is because lots of other women were doing it also.  Safety in numbers and all that.  I think that women (as a group) are less likely to go outside the norm, or to stand on their own defying everyone else.  As Camille Paglia said, 'there are no female Mozarts because there are no female Jack the Rippers'.
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Pica Pica

Quote from: Seshatneferw on April 07, 2008, 02:03:44 AM
Quote from: tekla on April 06, 2008, 07:00:12 PM
I would submit that if I have to "take care" of, and "defend" then I get to control also.  It's a package deal.

Um. Looks like I prefer a man with some feminine traits and a woman with some masculine traits. Oh well, at least I tried.

  Nfr



hehehe, me to.

Sod the others, everyone should just be androgyne.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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NicholeW.

Quote from: Nichole on April 21, 2008, 06:44:13 PM
Quote from: tekla on April 21, 2008, 06:26:23 PM
men have no regard for how others see them to be honest.

That my dear, is braver than most women ever are.
Quote from: tekla on April 21, 2008, 07:04:55 PM
True that, but I think that is because lots of other women were doing it also.  Safety in numbers and all that.  I think that women (as a group) are less likely to go outside the norm, or to stand on their own defying everyone else.  As Camille Paglia said, 'there are no female Mozarts because there are no female Jack the Rippers'.


Uh-huh... you sure? Or is that a function of what is expected, socially speaking? Lots more women seem more inclined to be casual and without make-up and the trappings these days than say twenty years ago.

N~

Nice quote, it may be true, but the serial killers among women who've been discovered have tended toward poison and more unobtrusive ways of offing people than did Jack.

And it IS most odd that there are fewer great women composers: Sappho with the harp, Hildegard of Bingen, The Lady of Dia among the troubadors, Mirabai, Clara Schumann, and Lili & Nadia Boulanger, and add Joan Baez, Madonna and Jonie Mitchell I find especially good. Odd simply because I find women more inclined to music than are men. But, do they excel men at music?

But no Mozarts are considered to be among that list. Perhaps Ms. Paglia is right.

Again the question though, do girls, and consequently women, tend to be less adventurous and less subject to showing their genius due to social and cultural reasons? In that regard genius seems favored for males to me, but I might be convinced otherwise by a good argument. 

N~

o, yeah, a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_composers
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tekla

I met Camile once, and all I can say is that if nothing else, she is quite convinced in the most fundamental way that she is right.

Of that list, the only one with any real claim is Hildegard.  Sappho, got any of her records or songs?  No.  So that is mere conjecture.  She may well have been awesome, or perhaps she was just the New Kids on the Block of her island.  Clara Schumann is OK as a composer, but not in the league of her husband, and her forte was the concert, not the composing.  And indeed she was one of the top acts of her day, a child prodigy and perhaps the most famous performer of her age, and someone who radically changed the piano - she was a performer, not a composer - and there has never been a doubt about women being able to perform.

And so you list those off, do I need to do the "I only did the Mozart because people know him, but could have said: (oh hell, just look at the wiki list and count the women)".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_music_composers

Madonna, who I love, is unique, who else is in that class?  Who else (among women) does what she does.  Writes, produces, does the merch, the dance routine, the routing, and cashes the checks too --- she is large and in charge (anyone who doubts that should have seen her 3, count 'em 3 helicopter arrival at Coachilla a few years ago, the stuff of rock legend).  Cher and Babs don't write or produce, and have 'people' who do all that other stuff for them.  Brittney was on the track till she fell into the ditch. 

Joan Baez, has written a few OK songs, but Dylan she ain't - which is why she still does Dylan songs, and he does not do any of hers. She is a great singer, perhaps one of the best ever, but no one doubted that women could sing.  Bonnie Raitt is about as good a guitar slinger as has ever been, but after her, who else?  She pretty much stands alone as a girl who can play with the best from Jerry Garcia to Carlos, to Stevie Ray Vaughan.  I saw her last week sit in on a Steve Miller show and just spank him on Mercury Blues.  But I'm at a loss as to what other women could have followed her.  Joan Jett rocks steady for sure, but its not all that technical.  I can't think of another woman who can play at the same level as Bonnie, but I can think of a dog pile of guys who can.  (Though Susan Tedeschi is moving into range.)

Joni Mitchell is the exception, as they say, the proves the rule.  Her carer in both writing as well as performance is the stuff of legend.  I'm not all that hot on the early stuff like Blue which is way too folk for me, but the ten years after Court and Spark where she wrote and recorded Dog Eat Dog, Wild Things Run Fast, Shadows And Light, Mingus, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, Hejira and The Hissing Of Summer Lawns is almost one of the most perfect runs in pop music.  And that stuff is complex, both in music as well as the lyrics.

No regrets Coyote
We just come from such different sets of circumstance
I'm up all night in the studios
And you're up early on your ranch
You'll be brushing out a brood mare's tail
While the sun is ascending
And I'll just be getting home with my reel to reel...
There's no comprehending
Just how close to the bone and the skin and the eyes
And the lips you can get
And still feel so alone
And still feel related
Like stations in some relay
You're not a hit and run driver, no, no
Racing away
You just picked up a hitcher
A prisoner of the white lines on the freeway

We saw a farmhouse burning down
In the middle of nowhere
In the middle of the night
And we rolled right past that tragedy
Till we turned into some road house lights
Where a local band was playing
Locals were up kicking and shaking on the floor
And the next thing I know
That Coyote's at my door
He pins me in a corner and he won't take "No!"
He drags me out on the dance floor
And we're dancing close and slow
Now he's got a woman at home
He's got another woman down the hall
He seems to want me anyway
Why'd you have to get so drunk
And lead me on that way
You just picked up a hitcher
A prisoner of the white lines of the freeway

I looked a Coyote right in the face
On the road to Baljennie near my old home town
He went running thru the whisker wheat
Chasing some prize down
And a hawk was playing with him
Coyote was jumping straight up and making passes
He had those same eyes - just like yours
Under your dark glasses
Privately probing the public rooms
And peeking thru keyholes in numbered doors
Where the players lick their wounds
And take their temporary lovers
And their pills and powders to get them thru this passion play

No regrets, Coyote
I just get off up aways
You just picked up a hitcher
A prisoner of the white lines on the freeway

Coyote's in the coffee shop
He's staring a hole in his scrambled eggs
He picks up my scent on his fingers
While he's watching the waitresses' legs
He's too far from the Bay of Fundy
& From Appaloosas and Eagles and tides
And the air conditioned cubicles
And the carbon ribbon rides
Are spelling it out so clear
Either he's going to have to stand and fight
Or take off out of here
I tried to run away myself
To run away and wrestle with my ego
And with this flame
You put here in this Eskimo
In this hitcher
In this prisoner
Of the fine white lines
Of the white lines on the free, free way


That stuff on the Dylan level.  Even Dylan admits it- and he don't admit much.





    "I once believed that I possessed creative talent, but I have given up this idea; a woman must not desire to compose — there has never yet been one able to do it. Should I expect to be the one?"
    —Clara Schumann at 20.
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Rachael

Quote from: Nichole on April 21, 2008, 06:18:34 PM


To press a point I've made elsewhere: guys? Give me a trans man.

Nichole
I disagree.... i cant see how trans guys are any different to normal ones....

thats like the old routine of 'transwomen are so much more feminine than real women'
R >:D
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NicholeW.

You disagree with MY preference? You're entitled to your own. My choice isn't political nor does it have anything to do with transsexuality and stereotypes, Rach.

It has to do with my experience of people. By the same token I could say you only want a straight-guy because.... But, that would be truly ridiculous, wouldn't it?

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Quote"I once believed that I possessed creative talent, but I have given up this idea; a woman must not desire to compose — there has never yet been one able to do it. Should I expect to be the one?"
    —Clara Schumann at 20.

Ah, nice to see a reply. I like your arguments, tekla. I agree pretty much with what you say. Seemed a bit harsh of JB, but she ain't Dylan, that's true.

The Schumann quote is a good one, but I'm wondering if it doesn't clinch my point a bit more? She resigned because 'it wasn't done and hadn't been done.'

I think the jumping off point is social pressure for certain areas to be male or female. I think as time goes along and the society changes more you'll see women who risk, like Joni Mitchell has run risks, like Madonna has done.

Will there ever be another Mozart? Who knows, there wasn't much of one with the one we had. Such a short life. I suppose that those very hot fires are that way though, they consume themselves before they can burn for very long.

Nichole
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tekla

Oh if I sounded harsh about Joan I sure didn't mean to.  I was just implying that like Clara she was far more of a performer than a composer.  Joan is not only one of the best voices ever recorded - those Vanguard records sessions from the early 60s are still chilling - a fantastic performer with true charisma and a wonderful relationship with her audience, a survivor who has put together a 40 year carer in pop music (that like 398 dog years) she is also one of the few people I deeply and truly respect.  That Joan is a real champion of the Peace Movement, Civil Rights and Social Justice - which is hitting the trifecta with me - she has done it from the beginning never wavering.  Never changed the cut of her politics to fit the fashion of the season, which to me is beyond awesome and speaks to something approaching true integrity.   And in our current world integrity is about as rare as dignity.
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NicholeW.

Thanks for the explanation, but it really wasn't necessary. Although I agree about her as a performer rather than a writer and ground-breaker with someone who has survived and thrived and whose voice has always chilled me with its range and beauty I wrote 'harsh' when I should have said 'stark.'

Stark can still be true, and you were definitely perceiving what is there, I admit.

You think you could address that last bit in my last to next post, please. I'd love your take on that. Really. The Clara Schumann bits.

Intelligent conversations with men are quite enjoyable. *smile*

N~
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Rachael

Quote from: Nichole on April 22, 2008, 09:09:58 AM
You disagree with MY preference? You're entitled to your own. My choice isn't political nor does it have anything to do with transsexuality and stereotypes, Rach.

It has to do with my experience of people. By the same token I could say you only want a straight-guy because.... But, that would be truly ridiculous, wouldn't it?


My appologies, i assumed you were suggesting transmen somehow differ personality wise to natal men, something a LOT of m2fs belive, which sickens me...

and i want a straight bloke, because funnily, im a straight girl!

wheres the ridiculous in that? :P

straight bloke can be cis or trans, im not arsed...
R >:D
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