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Could you love someone poor?

Started by Nero, July 15, 2008, 01:50:54 AM

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Lisbeth

Nero, to me money is a tool to keep you from suffering.  Once you have enough to not suffer, having more of it doesn't do anything to make you happy.  The amount of money a prospective love has is not even on the list things I think about.  Ell and I didn't even get around to talking about money until last night.

And Janet, I don't have a car.
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Ms Bev

Quote from: Lisbeth on July 16, 2008, 05:08:23 AM

And Janet, I don't have a car.

I gotta car.  I got class.  Shows I got money.
I gotta yr.2000 Ford Ranger.  I let God wash it in the driveway every time it rains.
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Sarah Louise

It would take someone pretty shallow to not love someone because they were poor.

That was something that never entered my concious mind.

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tekla

I guess I would first draw a distinction between being poor and poverty.  The first a relative value, the second is far more of an absolute.  And real poverty as the people know who have gone through it is a soul-grinding, mind-deadening deal.  Its not romantic, uplifting, or empowering - pretty much the exact opposite.  It makes love hard indeed.

Second, the most common given reason in marriage breakups is financial problems, and that's very real.  You can't be romantic if the phone is always ringing with bill collectors, and you can't sleep because you are worried about making the rent, having your power cut off or tying to choose if you are going to have to put gas in the car or eat next week.

As someone above said 'money can not buy happiness,' and I suppose that is true, but it sure can postpone unhappiness, and no mistake about that either.  And unhappy people are not good lovers.  So, in a way, it is a bottom line deal.


idealist and a romantic at heart
I think most people are, it gets hard when idealism and romantic notions run head long into reality, which has a very nasty way of rearing its ugly head and inserting itself at exactly the wrong time and place, and in a way that can not be ignored.


And, for the record, I'm not all sure that it has much to do with being intelligent.  Outside of rock star/theater/criminal types, who get their money in a strange way - a couple of the richest guys I know never went beyond high school, and I sure know a lot of people with advanced degrees who are barely making it, if that.  While I would have a hard time with anyone who used "like" and "hella'
as every other word in every sentence they spoke - "It's you know like dude was hella pissed" makes me cringe.  I don't require my lovers to be able to turn over and have a nice discussion about quantum mechanics either, though its good when they can.
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RebeccaFog

I can love someone poor but I hope I can't love someone poorly.

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Pica Pica

Yes. It's the rich that get on my goat anyway.
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Janet_Girl

Elwood My Man,

A viper?!?!  Swing and pick me up.  ;D >:D

And I do hope that everyone knows I'm kidding about the type of car a guy drive.  Regardless of whether or not he is rich is immaterial.  It depends on what type of a person they are. They must be kind, considerate, thoughtfully, honest and open.

Janet
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Lisbeth

Quote from: tekla on July 16, 2008, 11:21:11 AM
Second, the most common given reason in marriage breakups is financial problems, and that's very real.  You can't be romantic if the phone is always ringing with bill collectors, and you can't sleep because you are worried about making the rent, having your power cut off or tying to choose if you are going to have to put gas in the car or eat next week.

The second most common reason for marriage breakups is couples who don't agree on how to manage money.  The amount of it is seldom the problem.
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tekla

Well that two for two in marriage breakups, better to not have money problems then I would guess.

I would think that two people making somewhat equal money might fight less, on the other hand I can't prove that in my own life. 
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Valentina

In general, we could love everyone regardless of their education, IQ, EQ, or money. It can be suffocating to be with someone with a different intelligence path or on another frequency channel, but it's also true that some peeps that go to college are not necessarily intelligent, and some of those unable to go to college (or otherwise unwilling to go) can be far more intelligent than a person who has completed some sort of degree.
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Natasha

Quote from: Nero on July 15, 2008, 01:50:54 AM
Could you love someone poor? Seriously.

yes!

poor doesn't mean undereducated and vice versa!  the use of hyperboles or embellished language doesn't make anyone "intelligent" ;) you get an f for that sort of thing in college.  btw is my syntax ok? ::) blah!
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NicholeW.

Quote from: Natasha on December 15, 1999, 05:35:07 PM
Quote from: Nero on July 15, 2008, 01:50:54 AM
Could you love someone poor? Seriously.

yes!

poor doesn't mean undereducated and vice versa!  the use of hyperboles or embellished language doesn't make anyone "intelligent" ;) you get an f for that sort of thing in college.  btw is my syntax ok? ::) blah!

Sure, your syntax is just fine, do ya have any money? >:D
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Natasha

Quote from: Nichole on July 17, 2008, 10:05:48 AM
Quote from: Natasha on December 15, 1999, 05:35:07 PM
Quote from: Nero on July 15, 2008, 01:50:54 AM
Could you love someone poor? Seriously.

yes!

poor doesn't mean undereducated and vice versa!  the use of hyperboles or embellished language doesn't make anyone "intelligent" ;) you get an f for that sort of thing in college.  btw is my syntax ok? ::) blah!

Sure, your syntax is just fine, do ya have any money? >:D

i do.  i have plenty of it.  why do you ask? do you want to date me? >:D  i'm taken!
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Chaunte

Quote from: Jamie-o on July 15, 2008, 05:30:55 AM
Yes, but to be perfectly honest, I would have trouble loving someone uneducated.  Whether officially or self-taught doesn't matter, but I would have trouble getting past poor grammar, illiteracy, and narrowness of thought in order to get to know the person well enough to love them.

I would have to agree with Jamie.  Finances aren't the question.  However, I would need someone who can communicate has been beyond the town boundaries.

Chaunte
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lacitychick21

Quote from: Jamie-o on July 15, 2008, 05:30:55 AM
Yes, but to be perfectly honest, I would have trouble loving someone uneducated.

QFT

That's a huge hangup for me.

Quote from: Elwood on July 15, 2008, 09:35:44 PM
You mean love a poor person?

Of course. But only if they're poor because of some sort of legitimate reason. If they're lazy asses, I can't love someone like that. They're lazy asses.

QFT

Those I know who can be classed as such economically, are typically there for reasons outside of "just being poor." Dreams, ambitions, aspirations: How does all that factor in? I know an amazing person who, at one time had everything you can materialisically dream for: the house overlooking the ocean, the Porsche Turbo.. but lost it all to tough luck and circumstace. Then I know someone who just doesn't try. They say they do, they believe they do; in the end, they just don't. Today, both share similar W2's, but are entirely different individuals.

Quote from: Leiandra on July 15, 2008, 11:11:43 PM
When you love someone, you have all you ever need. Everything else is superfluous. Souls, hearts, the connections formed between two sentient beings... don't hang on a price tag. What matters is the feeling, the emotion, the bond you share... not the bank balance.

Money can be lost and gained in the blink of an eye. Love can last forever. :)

Call me cynical; call me realistic; call me unrealisic; call me jaded; call me what you will I just can't see it that way. So many other things factor in other than just love. I think love is the foundation on which to build a life but by no means is it the "be all end all." I've been head over heels in love, and still other important elements factor in on which love cannot be expected to compensate for.

But that's just my opinion...
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Melissa

Yep, of course.  And I have.  My ex was on welfare when I got together with her.  I've fallen for another woman who was on welfare.  My current boyfriend doesn't have much income.  My previous 2 girlfriends didn't make much money.  So, yes.  I guess I have a pattern of falling for people who might be considered poor (financially).

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MeghanAndrews

Hmmm, could I love someone poor? The question takes on new meaning lately as my own financial demographic has shifted...or maybe it hasn't. I don't think I could fall in love with someone who has no ambition, has no goals and no "plan" for where they see their life going. Now, if their "life plan" is not centered around money but teaching people how to change their life or something that I would consider admirable, that could work. I don't really care if I guy has a whole bunch of money, if he is 1) clean 2) attractive to me 3) polite & gets along with my family & friends 4) treats me like he can't imagine his life without me but doesn't smother me 5) has some ambition in life (not necessarily centered around a career and money) 6) can carry on a decent conversation and think at my level (duh, you know what I mean, not like I'm all intellectual or anything, but just be able to talk about things) and 7) is trustworthy and wouldn't break my heart then...I could love them.

And I don't think any of that has anything to do with money.
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Melissa

Quote from: MeghanAndrews on July 18, 2008, 01:13:37 PMI don't really care if I guy has a whole bunch of money, if he is 1) clean 2) attractive to me 3) polite & gets along with my family & friends 4) treats me like he can't imagine his life without me but doesn't smother me 5) has some ambition in life (not necessarily centered around a career and money) 6) can carry on a decent conversation and think at my level (duh, you know what I mean, not like I'm all intellectual or anything, but just be able to talk about things) and 7) is trustworthy and wouldn't break my heart then...I could love them.
I think you just described my boyfriend. :)
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RebeccaFog

Love is love until it comes at you with an implement of destruction.
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Lisbeth on July 20, 2008, 07:52:26 AM
Quote from: Rebis on July 19, 2008, 09:51:37 PM
Love is love until it comes at you with an implement of destruction.

Unless that's your kink.  Then it might be a big sign of love, depending.
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