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Started by MaggieB, July 22, 2008, 11:35:42 AM

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MaggieB

I'm in big trouble, emotionally.
Last Friday, the day before my birthday, I had my legal name change hearing. My "wife" attended. We had what I thought was a very nice day after the hearing. That night my birthday celebration didn't include my name on the cake or did I get the happy birthday song. I also only got a card with money. This is the first time I have ever received money instead of a gift. In our family, it was always said to be an affront and improper. The cash was stuffed into the card, not even folded. I managed to pretend it was a great party. Inside, I was crushed.

Saturday, she asked me print a report from the accounting software to show that she is the major wage earner. She wanted to know the ratio of her earnings to mine. When I showed her that she was several times mine, she said " How does that make you feel?" And I said, "It makes me feel terrible and vulnerable."
Then on Monday, I said I was going to the court house to get my documents and was asked not to go. The reason: to save gas.  These are the most important documents in my life and I am to wait until we have more gas? Once again, I was shocked. I lied and did it anyway.

Today, I am told that my orchi surgery must be delayed until next year. She demanded I agree to her terms and not to go behind her back like I did getting the court order when she told me not to.  She is worried about losing her job and our savings must then be used for living expenses. She isn't in danger of that. ( She works for an engineering firm that has record earnings. They also have business for two years ahead already paid for by bonds. Just last weekend, she was saying how lucky we are for that. )

I was to get my second letter this week.  I was going to proceed as she has promised for months and now she pulls the rug out from under me. Oh, just a few minutes ago, she called from work and said that if I used my birthday money she would match it so I could have my initial appointment which costs $300 and is non refundable, but that I couldn't schedule surgery. SO WHY GO? What a wonderful birthday memory! An appointment with a surgeon where I tell him that I can't have surgery scheduled. INSANE!

She says she stays up at night crying in anguish over my surgery. She doesn't want me to do it. Now she claims we can't afford it. She is in full control and I am locked into a box I can't get out of.

My therapist warned me that she might assert control over me if I made more steps to forward transition. I stopped seeing her last week partially because my wife constantly asked me when I was quitting therapy since she has written the SRS letter. I worried that once I stopped, my wife would then slash at me since I have no one to go to for help. I had no idea it would be this awful.  I can barely breathe. I want out of this relationship and away from here so bad but I can't and have no hope of ever getting free. I feel like a prisoner and I am afraid that my thoughts of ending it all will return. I'm fighting them now.

Maggie
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Lisbeth

Okay, Maggie, I want you pay attention to me.  You are in an abusive relationship.  You need to get out now.  I know this is one of the hardest things you have ever had to do, but you need to get yourself safe immediately.  Fear of your abuser and fear of making it on your own are the two biggest deterents to leaving, but you have got to put aside your learned helplessness long enough to do this one thing for yourself. Is that clear?
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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Princess_Jasmine

Hey Maggie I am so sorry for what you are going through but I do have some advice for you. My mother was kind of like that when I came out to her, always refusing to acknowledge who I am and what I was and how real it actually was. It sounds like your SO isn't even comfortable with acknowledging the fact that you are transsexual. Maybe you should try having a serious talk about it so she can understand its not a phase, its real. After all, why would you go through all of this headache if it wasnt true? Explain it to her like that in a serious demanding tone, because when you give them any leeway to take control of the conversation, they will try again to take control of you and that is not what you want. You have to stand up for yourself and dont let them control you. Try this before trying to move out so you can at least give it everything you've got before going to the ultimatum.

God bless you girl and good luck! I am praying for you!
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MaggieB

Quote from: Lisbeth on July 22, 2008, 11:49:36 AM
Okay, Maggie, I want you pay attention to me.  You are in an abusive relationship.  You need to get out now.  I know this is one of the hardest things you have ever had to do, but you need to get yourself safe immediately.  Fear of your abuser and fear of making it on your own are the two biggest deterents to leaving, but you have got to put aside your learned helplessness long enough to do this one thing for yourself. Is that clear?

Yes, I know that I am in an abusive relationship. My therapist told me that I am a battered woman. She was helping me to deal with it and for a while my wife got better. She said she accepted that ->-bleeped-<- exists finally and started calling me Maggie. She does go out in public with me and acts perfectly normal most of the time. I came across a file on her laptop as I was working on it at her request. It was about anger management and how to diagnose and based on it, she needs to see a professional.  It is true that I am afraid of her. Not physically, but emotionally.  I feel that while I was in therapy, my wife behaved because she was concerned that I told what she did. In the early days she demanded that I not say anything about our marriage in therapy.

My therapist was suggesting that I need to leave too. However, we both came to this conclusion. I am a prisoner.

The fact is that I have nowhere to go. I have no money, I am completely dependent on her.  I have no friends or relatives I can go to and no shelter is going to accept a pre-op transwoman. Even then, what to do I do? I've been homeless in my life. It is dangerous and this time I am so much more vulnerable. I won't last a week.

Maggie






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Kate

Quote from: Maggie Kay on July 22, 2008, 11:35:42 AM
My therapist warned me that she might assert control over me if I made more steps to forward transition...

With everyone mentioning it being an "abusive" relationship, I'm guessing I don't know all the details of your relationship, but that being said...

She may also be trying to find some sense of control over *her* life, since your transition affects her too. She may feel her life and future are slipping through her fingers, and has no way to stop it. And the reality and finality of things like name changes and surgeries is often very, very difficult to deal with for any spouse. Up until then, it's still all kinda "just theory." But suddenly she's married to someone with a female name, and plans are being made to remove any chance of you ever being a male for her again... well, it ain't easy.

I'm not saying she's "right" in controlling these things, just that it might take time for her to adjust to the *reality* of your changes, for her to regain a sense of her own life security. The balance I tried to keep in my relationships was to allow others to control the SPEED at which I did things... to a point... but to never allow them to STOP me from doing them (no one ever tried though).

~Kate~
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MaggieB

Quote from: Kate on July 22, 2008, 12:14:34 PM
Quote from: Maggie Kay on July 22, 2008, 11:35:42 AM
My therapist warned me that she might assert control over me if I made more steps to forward transition...

With everyone mentioning it being an "abusive" relationship, I'm guessing I don't know all the details of your relationship, but that being said...

She may also be trying to find some sense of control over *her* life, since your transition affects her too. She may feel her life and future are slipping through her fingers, and has no way to stop it. And the reality and finality of things like name changes and surgeries is often very, very difficult to deal with for any spouse. Up until then, it's still all kinda "just theory." But suddenly she's married to someone with a female name, and plans are being made to remove any chance of you ever being a male for her again... well, it ain't easy.

I'm not saying she's "right" in controlling these things, just that it might take time for her to adjust to the *reality* of your changes, for her to regain a sense of her own life security. The balance I tried to keep in my relationships was to allow others to control the SPEED at which I did things... to a point... but to never allow them to STOP me from doing them (no one ever tried though).

~Kate~

Kate,
I delayed my transition for seven years. I took hormones and dressed androgynous. All that time, we had discussions about my situation and she came up with all sorts of alternate causes. I was Schizo, Apsbergers, blunt force head trauma, paraphelic, and had a Severe Personality disorder all according to her. NONE were verified by four therapists and one shrink. She demanded that I stop seeing two of them. One because he would not allow her to tell him that I was clearly schizophrenic and demanded that I take medication. For her to let me see the last one, I had to agree to ask for the meds. When I told the therapist this, she said, that in no way was I schizo as she has dealt with many in the past. That she would not concur with my wife made my wife angry. She refused to ever meet with her or any therapist ever.

My wife is a highly educated woman (B.S. Geology) who worked as a medical transcriber in a mental hospital as well as a plastic surgeon and a heart transplant center at Duke University. She knows the lingo and what it means. She was personal assistant to the chairman of the Dept of Psychiatry at Duke too.  She also worked in an AIDS clinic typing records, She knows what the diagnoses were and the treatments.

For a while, I lived under the threat of being sent in for a 24 hour hold in a psyche ward. If I get too upset, she brings that up.

Maggie
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kirakero

With or without some form of SRS, are you going to be happy in this situation in the end?  SRS won't change everything else around you.  It is not a magical operation.

Your partner does not have your best interests in mind.  She is manipulating you for her own purposes and these purposes do not take in to account whether you are happy or not.

You will not truly be happy until you can face fears and get passed them.  Fears of being alone, fears of having no money, fears of insecurity in general.  You will have to face these fears to some degree to move on with your life.

This is about you being a powerful woman and facing the present.  I can't tell you how this will happen, but you are going to have to take a big step forward.
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Lisbeth

Quote from: Maggie Kay on July 22, 2008, 12:07:37 PM
Quote from: Lisbeth on July 22, 2008, 11:49:36 AM
Okay, Maggie, I want you pay attention to me.  You are in an abusive relationship.  You need to get out now.  I know this is one of the hardest things you have ever had to do, but you need to get yourself safe immediately.  Fear of your abuser and fear of making it on your own are the two biggest deterents to leaving, but you have got to put aside your learned helplessness long enough to do this one thing for yourself. Is that clear?

Yes, I know that I am in an abusive relationship. My therapist told me that I am a battered woman. She was helping me to deal with it and for a while my wife got better.

Hon, abusers don't get better except on a very temporary bases.  Long term they only get worse and worse.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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trapthavok

I agree that you need to get out and I empathize you being the secondary bread winner in the family. If I were you, I'd open a bank account somewhere and start sifting away whatever money I could get my hands on into that bank account. Make sure your wife doesn't know about it. My mom has a separate bank account that my dad didn't know about (but not for the same reasons, he's just a cheapskate and she wants to spend her own money). So it is possible for you to do this, you just have to be smart about it.

I want you to get out soon, but seeing as how it's not financially possible, please try to think of putting off your SRS for just a little while longer until you have enough money to leave your wife and be financially stable on your own. You've waited seven years, and I know how much you want it, but the better plan to me is getting out, then beginning to save money for SRS whenever you can, rather than staying, having your SRS and being ultimately unhappy in the long run. I hate to see people in situations this bad, please take care of yourself, don't do anything extreme.
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Kate

Quote from: trapthavok on July 22, 2008, 01:27:40 PM
I want you to get out soon, but seeing as how it's not financially possible, please try to think of putting off your SRS for just a little while longer until you have enough money to leave your wife and be financially stable on your own...

What he said ^^^^ ;)

If you want out, you'll have to make a way. Maybe find a different job if need be to earn yourself financial independence from the situation? From what I'm reading, it sounds like you really need to do that anyway, regardless of the situation surrounding the gender issues.

~Kate~
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trapthavok

Quote from: Kate on July 22, 2008, 02:03:09 PM
Quote from: trapthavok on July 22, 2008, 01:27:40 PM
I want you to get out soon, but seeing as how it's not financially possible, please try to think of putting off your SRS for just a little while longer until you have enough money to leave your wife and be financially stable on your own...

What he said ^^^^ ;)

If you want out, you'll have to make a way. Maybe find a different job if need be to earn yourself financial independence from the situation? From what I'm reading, it sounds like you really need to do that anyway, regardless of the situation surrounding the gender issues.

~Kate~

Second. And I just thought about it-- get two jobs if you can.  Ever heard the phrase "By any means possible!!" I started out with two jobs this summer. It's not too difficult (I just was getting paid poorly, not even minimum wage.) I don't know what skills you can use to get a second job, but make sure it at least pays minimum wage :-/ Not that I'm encouraging such a low paying job, I'm just saying do what you can
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Kate

Quote from: trapthavok on July 22, 2008, 02:09:54 PM
Ever heard the phrase "By any means possible!!"... I'm just saying do what you can

Exactly!

Transition can be an *incredible* motivating force. You may find yourself doing and achieving things you NEVER would have done before, or thought you COULD do. My wife in fact has told me she actually felt kinda safe from me ever transitioning, because it's just not something the Old Me could have pulled of.

In FACT, I sometimes think the liberation I feel now... the freedom and empowerment... isn't so much because "I'm a girl," so much as I learned through transitioning that I can pretty do ANYTHING, once I set my stubborn, obsessive/compulsive mind to it, lol. The chains and walls imprisoning me were all mostly self-imposed.

~Kate~
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MaggieB

I don't want to throw away all my work in building this four year old business. It is small but growing and I am well known as a prominent designer. The business is international and in a few years, it may provide a very comfortable income.  I lost my last business because of an international boycott of American made products when GW invaded IRAQ. I pulled this one from the ashes of that last one. I did this WHILE I coped with this horrible home life.

So the idea that I have to run to a shelter and become a minimum wage worker or a greeter at Walmart kinda isn't my career goal. I am 57 and that does limit what I can do. I have severe vision problems making many clerical jobs very difficult for me to do because I can't read intensely. I lost my vision in one eye due to a macular pucker. The other fatigues very quickly in stressful or close focus situations making me essentially blind for a while. I CAN do this business. It is my only hope for my future and amazingly my wife has all her hopes pinned on it too. She did materially help in the preparation of the web page and documents. She rightly does have a stake in it.

An amazing thing happened while I was out mailing some orders. I was pretty down and actually sinking emotionally. I drove on a street and just after the last turn off, I noticed the police ahead were directing all traffic into a CEMETERY! There was an accident just ahead on the street and the only place to shunt traffic was through the graveyard. Suddenly, I am in a line of cars with graves on both sides of the small lane. It was bumper to bumper so I had lots of time to read the grave stones. I wondered what the heck was happening to me as I was thinking before what it would be like to swim out into the bay and let my body sink beneath the waves. Instead, I just saw grave after grave. The last one was a child's grave. It had a small wind catching toy on it. I started to cry and cry. All these people have no more hopes. Their story is over with no more possibility of a future. I realized that I don't want to join them. I want to live and I do love being Maggie. I have never been so happy in the midst of all this sadness. 
I resolved to press on. I may not be able to get surgery because of my wife, but I am Margaret Kay now and I will change my Social Security records tomorrow. I will not fight my wife but I will hope that what GOD started will be fulfilled. It was not an accident that I had to go through that cemetery. Surely, it will somehow get better. If she is standing in his way, he will move her out. He did once before with my ex wife. One day, it was over and she was gone from my life. Maybe, it will happen again.

Thank you all for your help and comments. I really needed this today.

Maggie



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Janet_Girl

Maggie Honey,

I have just read the thread.  My Ex tried to pull the small kind of stuff on me.  The thing she did not realize is that she use to tell me of her abusive relationships and I know the signs.  If your business is webbed based you can operate it anywhere as long as there is a computer.

Honey you need to GET OUT OF THERE, NOW.  Emotional abuse is still abuse.  Don't let it grow to physical abuse.  Call shelters and see if you can be let in under the circumstances.

Please be careful and watch your literal and physiologic back.

Take care my Dear.

Love,
Janet
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Lisbeth

Hmmm... I've never put any of these where someone from Susan's could see them, but...

QuoteReflections on Sexual Ethics #3
Domestic Violence

Lisbeth Kellogg, 10/16/2007

October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month.  Evolved from the first Day of Unity observed by the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, its intent is to help end domestic violence against women and their children.  While most domestic violence in the United States is perpetrated by men against women and children, it is also an issue in homosexual families.

Domestic violence involves "a pattern of behavior used to establish power and control over another person with whom an intimate relationship is or has been shared through fear and intimidation, often including the threat or use of violence."  Once begun this behavior does not go away but increases in frequency and severity.  Often victims are reluctant to seek help.  This may be because of a codependent relationship with the perpetrator, or due to fear of reprisal.  Sometimes fear of homophobic law enforcement, legal, and medical systems will keep LGBT victims from seeking help.

The hardest thing a victim may have to do is make the decision to leave the abusive situation and then following through on that decision.  At that point a safe place to go is imperative.  While friends and other family members may provide sanctuary, often the victim will end up in a safe-house or battered shelter.  Safe-houses for victims are often overcrowded and underfunded, but the situation is frequently worse for GLBT victims.  Facility managers may be reluctant to deal with homosexual victims, and are sometimes hostile toward transgender victims.  A closely related issue is teenage homelessness.  It has been estimated that 75% of homeless teenagers are GLBT youth escaping parental violence.

What can you do to help?  First read the report on "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Domestic Violence in the United States in 2006" by the National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs.  Then do what you can to support anti-violence programs in your community.  Encourage your pastor to give a sermon on domestic violence.  Help volunteer and raise money to support battered women shelters and shelters for runaway youth.  And pray for all those who have been abused, for those who are trying to help them, and also pray for those who have abused them.

Here are some programs.  There are more in your area.
http://www.outfront.org/programs/av.html
http://www.ncadv.org/takeaction/DomesticViolenceAwarenessMonth_134.html
http://www.bridgeforyouth.org/


DISCLAIMER: The views expressed herein are solely those of the author and not necessarily those of Lutherans Concerned/North America, its staff, officers, volunteers, or members.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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cindianna_jones

You must leave.  Figure out how to do it.  Squirrel as much money you can into a pot she has no access to.  Find a better paying job and leave.  Don't tell her where you have gone, where you live, or your phone number.

Just get out as soon as possible.  You can't afford to wait. REALLY

Cindi
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NicholeW.

I'll vote with the "get out as soon as possible and don't stop to close the door behind you" voters in this poll, Maggie. You are doubting your own ability and she is reenforcing that in you every day you two are together.

Yes, luv, it is abuse -- soul-sapping and fierce. Go, please. You can afford to, what you can't afford is not to.

Nichole
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Hypatia

I'm in a very similar situation.
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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Lisbeth

Shelter Plus
P. O. Box 3584, Salinas, CA 93912
(408) 442-3024 (bus.)
(408) 442-3026 (fax)

Support Network For Battered Women
200 Blossom Ln 3rd Fl
Mountain View, California 94041
United States of America
Tel: (415) 940-7850

Women's Safety Project
870 Market St # 855
San Francisco, California 94102
United States of America
Tel: (415) 395-9895
E-Mail: wysp@slip.net
URL: http://www.slip.net/~wysp/index.html

Community United Against Violence
973 Market St #500
San Francisco, California 94103
United States of America
Tel: 415-777-5500
FAX: 415-777-5565
URL: http://www.xq.com/cuav/index.html

Family Violence Prevention Fund
383 Rhode Island St # 304
San Francisco, California 94103
United States of America
Tel: (415) 252-8900
FAX: (415) 252-8991
E-Mail: fund@endabuse.org
URL: http://www.endabuse.org

Health Resource Center On Domestic Violence
383 Rhode Island # 304
San Francisco, California 94103
United States of America
URL: http://www.fvpf.org/fund/healthcare/

Woman Inc (Women Organized To Make Abuse Nonexistent)
333 Valencia St #251
San Francisco, California 94103
United States of America
Tel: (415) 864-4777
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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MaggieB

An update.
Yesterday, Cheryl called me from work  and said that our daughter needed to help a friend and couldn't pick her up. I was asked to drive over to the office and get her. I wondered if she had arranged this because of the "discussion" that came next. I told her in the van that I didn't want to discuss any issue other than pleasantries and that as far as I was concerned, we are to act like friends only. This was and is her stated desire. However, she then proceeded to say that she didn't want to proceed down that path and wanted to discuss my problems with the surgery delay. She doesn't understand why it is a a problem for me to delay elective surgery until next year. By my insistence that I need it now, I am jeopardizing the family security. Supposedly, we will be able to run this charge through an HSA next year and get a big savings. That is if her company continues the plan. She has repeatedly told me that they probably will drop or radically change the coverage as they do this almost every year. So I am in doubt that her story is really based in fact. So in spite of several attempts to stop the conversation, I finally got snarled into another four hour marathon argument.
We talked about my concerns, starting with my birthday celebration.
For starters, I said," You gave me money. We never give money. You said that you couldn't figure out what to buy me but there is a whole mall full of women's clothes and jewelry. You commented on how my nightgown is in tatters, why didn't you buy me one? The money was stuffed in the card not even folded. You didn't have my name on the cake and didn't sing happy birthday."
She said," We have given each other money lots of times. Don't you remember? I am not going to buy you women's things other than necklaces and earrings. ( She gets these from a coworker for a huge discount.) Certainly not a nightgown, I wouldn't know what to buy. The money was folded in a Japanese convention as a artistic gesture. You asked us not to sing, Ahhh, you don't remember, do you? The name on the cake? You are being petty and mean. You don't accept our support and love. You have no compassion for us."
OK, once again she is trying to insinuate that my memory is failing. She claims that I forget and misremember things because it really shuts me down when she does it. I write these conversations down because of that. She often turns my claims of being hurt into that I am attacking her.

Then she proceeded to talk about sex. She said."You are just angry because you want sex from me. I am not a lesbian and cannot have sex with a woman. Don't you see that you are being respected by this? If I did, I would continue to view you as Kurt. You have been dropping hints all over the place that you are horny like saying "Hot saks" while we watch love scenes in movies. You said it many times every night. "

I, in fact, said it one time when we watched Austin Powers. I am not horny, Spiro has destroyed my sex drive. In fact, she doesn't turn me on much now. She has stopped shaving her legs and wears worn out old lingerie and clothes. She is obsessed with sex. She went on to say that when I hug her it is a sexual thing. "Women don't hug each other" she said several times.  I agreed not to hug or kiss her on the cheek goodbye.

Then she went on to say "You wouldn't have sex with me for years ( ten years ago) so I learned how to live without it." This is so not true. At the time, I was making disposable sex toys buying erotic videos designed for women and actual sex toys for us to use. She has blocked all of that out.

Finally she said, "You don't know but many many women who have a baby think twice about having sex again. I almost died in childbirth it changed my sex drive and I lost interest in sex, I have no sex drive at all now"
This is so not true too. Last month she admitted that she slashed out at me because she is so horny and cannot have sex with me because I am a woman,

I took my wedding band off and she asked if she could keep it.

The really sad thing is that early on in my transition nine years ago, when we first confronted the possibility that I was trans, she said she was devastated and angry because she LIKED IT! She didn't and doesn't want to like it. She went on to admit that she has had fantasies about wearing a strap on and giving it to a woman. SO this was an example of why she hates ->-bleeped-<- in me. It forces her to confront her own lesbian desires. She is homophobic and most of the problems we discussed over the years was when women made advances to her at her jobs. One offered her a three way with me. The last big one was her boss who was a lesbian and the woman asked her to buy flowers for the woman's lover. She quit her job over it saying that her boss was coming on to her. We nearly got evicted over it.

Now for the icing on the cake. I have agreed to delay the surgery because I have no choice. She is now thinking about taking a vacation in the fall.  She said," I hope this isn't a problem for you?"
I said,"Your timing is incredible."

This morning, she overslept. I didn't know how to deal with this because she has insisted that we live as friends not lovers and anything could be construed as a sexual advance. So I poured my coffee and instead of pouring hers and waking her up, I took my coffee to bed. We have had coffee together every morning for 23 years .
When she did wake up she came into my room and complained that I was making a statement. I had ruined her morning. Why didn't I wake her up? Why didn't I pour her coffee? I was being mean again, according to her. Now, she has an alarm clock and it is set to go off and she never sleeps in. Why today?

After breakfast, she again talked about what she wanted to do on her vacation now that surgery is delayed until next year. She feels that the surgery thing is delayed until next spring as she knows I have to get an appt and fit into his schedule.  "Surgeons have cancellations all the time" she said,

Then she said, "We should pass as sisters to others and friends without benefits to each other but you are still my soulmate. "

Weird, I am apparently remembering wrong, interpreting wrong, abusive and callous, and have ignored her sexually for most of our marriage. Who was I having sex with then? Must have been a dream.


Maggie
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