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Started by MaggieB, July 22, 2008, 11:35:42 AM

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Janet_Girl

Maggie,

I am wondering something, sorry to pry into your personal business, but is she talking about her taking a vacation by herself or the two of you.  And is she going to use the money you had set aside for your surgery.

The arguments that she is using are just meant to manipulate you into doing things her way.  I now that you still care for her, but she is not thinking about you.

It might be a good thing if she goes away on vacation herself.  You could use the time apart to find other accommodations and leave.

Please be very careful.  I, like others here are afraid for you.

Love,
Janet
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NicholeW.

Maggie,

Liz was absolutely right yesterday. This is escalating, not de-escalating. It will continue to do so until you either break-down or she starts physically hurting you as well.

For what it's worth I think you are right about it all being about her own issues. Of course, emotional and physical violence is always about the dominant's issues and not the subordinate's issues. However, the fact that you are right isn't going to allow you to "convince" her of that. Attempts to do so will very likely only see her escalate the emotional violnce until it ranges to the physical.

I'm worried for you, sweetie. Please make a plan to leave.

Hugs,

Nichole
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MaggieB

#22
I have been working on finding a way to leave but as I said earlier, my options are extremely limited.
I looked at the shelter idea and frankly, that is terrifying for me at the stage of transition I am in. The nearest is Salinas and that city is mostly desperately poor Hispanic and most Monterey peninsula residents won't go there. The shelter would be full of hispanic women and we know that TS in Hispanic culture is not tolerated.


The vacation was not specified. I am not sure if the money was involved but the time off from work to help me recover was in it.


She has taken out a separate bank account with her name on it and a PO box in another town. She did it the last time I said I wanted to leave. When I recanted, she closed the account and now I have a key to the PO box. My problem is that she controls all the money we make and she accounts for every penny in our accounting software. There is no way for me to squirrel away any money at all without her knowing it.

The money we have saved came from a big sale that I made in December and it enabled us to move and pay all the setup expenses for our new rental. In that one sale, I made half of her annual salary. Sadly, that cannot happen again as I no longer manufacture that product. My vision won't allow me to work full time, yet it is good enough to keep me from being considered disabled. I can drive safely but not at night.

I know and appreciate the danger I am in. I know that every step I take to fulfill my womanhood, puts me in more danger. I am aware of the possibilites. Cheryl came from an abusive family and she was beaten to the point of bleeding every Sunday morning from age 6 to 14 by her father who was a minister of a small church in Indiana that he founded. The beatings happened for things like her leaving soap in the tub or sometimes they were because of something she was expected to do but had not done yet. Sometimes, she was beaten just for his pleasure. Her mother did nothing to stop it and denied that it ever happened. Cheryl did not know that she was an abused child until a therapist told her in a six month session in 1985.

We went back home, while I was out of work and confronted her parents about the abuse. She wanted to come to forgiveness and reconciliation. Instead, they had the police come and put us and our infant daughter in a motel room on the edge of town with no car or money. Three days later, strangers came and gave us cash and we left for California. We were homeless for about six months going from church to church.

Eventually, Cheryl got a job as a transcriber and we got an apartment. I stayed home with the baby and built a computer from surplus parts to continue my software development. Eventually, it generated over 1.5 million dollars in sales. Much of that went to our daughter's childhood and college education. When we lost the business we lost most of the rest trying to save it. Eventually, we went bankrupt. Now I have this small business and it is my last chance given my limitations. I am a very well known designer and it is a wonderful business.

If I know Cheryl at all, I don't think she will go violent. She has never lifted a finger in anger towards me or our daughter. No spankings no hitting. Not even hand gestures that symbolize violence. She can't watch violence on TV or in Movies.

She can however, twist the words and slice me up emotionally but she has taken the big gun and used it. Standing in the way of my surgery is huge. She is completely at peace with this now. It is my task to pull myself together and keep looking for a door. If I ever find one, I promise that I will take it.

I'm off to the SSA for my name change.

Maggie





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Lisbeth

Quote from: Maggie Kay on July 23, 2008, 11:20:18 AM
I have been working on finding a way to leave but as I said earlier, my options are extremely limited.
I looked at the shelter idea and frankly, that is terrifying for me at the stage of transition I am in. The nearest is Salinas and that city is mostly desperately poor Hispanic and most Monterey peninsula residents won't go there. The shelter would be full of hispanic women and we know that TS in Hispanic culture is not tolerated.

Think about contacting the group in Mountain View.  It's farther than Salinas, but it should be safer.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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Sheila

It maybe what it seems but as my therapist told me that she would not talk about our marriage without my wife being there or at least get the other side of the story. If you are in trouble, you need to leave and you also need to see a therapist to help you through all this.
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MaggieB

I have been seeing a therapist. In fact, most of my trans sessions were about how I am to protect myself from her abuse. When I got the letter, my wife pressured me to stop. Now, I am pretty sure, I will restart as I need a place to go to let some of this hurt out. My therapist is wonderful she has been helping a lot. Cheryl won't go to any therapist with me or without me. She says she is finished with them after the last two refused to agree with her diagnosis that I am schizophrenic. She took that as a personal affront.

As for getting out, that is very very difficult so I can be safe. I would have to throw away my only hope and a designing business that I dearly love.  After that, I would be living in a one room walkup with a bed and a TV and totally alone. I don't think I can take that mentally. I would not be able to come here because I couldn't afford internet access. That would be devastating. I gotta find a way that is gradual and preserves my future. I have no retirement funds no assets, I have to be very careful. I know it is a balance of two evils. Right now, there is not much out there that looks any better.

Maggie
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joannatsf

Maggie, what you need isn't therapy, you need a good lawyer.  I assume you're legally married.  California is a community property state so half of everything she contributes is yours.  In other words if you get your hands on the money and take half of it, you are within your rights.  A lawyer will find a way to get you some money.  That's what they do!  Who knows, you may even get alimony.
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MaggieB

Oh yes, I am married.
There really isn't money left over to split. If I go, she loses the ability to pay utilities and food and all other non rent items. So the stakes are pretty high for both of us. Lawyers in my experience are such a last resort thing. Talk about hemorrhaging money! Still, it is worth the notion that it may come to that. Thank you, Claire.

Maggie
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Lisbeth

Quote from: Maggie Kay on July 23, 2008, 07:01:24 PM
Lawyers in my experience are such a last resort thing. Talk about hemorrhaging money!

Yes.  I opened my latest bill from my lawyer.  I have now spent my GRS money.  Good thing I had already given up plans for GRS, or I would be having an emotional crisis right about now.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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Buffy

Quote from: Maggie Kay on July 23, 2008, 04:42:57 PM

As for getting out, that is very very difficult so I can be safe. I would have to throw away my only hope and a designing business that I dearly love.  After that, I would be living in a one room walkup with a bed and a TV and totally alone. I don't think I can take that mentally. I would not be able to come here because I couldn't afford internet access. That would be devastating. I gotta find a way that is gradual and preserves my future. I have no retirement funds no assets, I have to be very careful. I know it is a balance of two evils. Right now, there is not much out there that looks any better.

Maggie

Sometimes that is what it takes, that step into the unkown, that ultimate sacrifice.

I have been there Maggie, I had to leave a job, a home, a family and do exactly what you are scared of doing, because that was my only option.

Staying in the relationship you are in is only prolonging the inevitable, staying together because it is the 'safe" thing for both of you today is not benefiting you both. It is time for you both to take that step outside the comfort zone and sever the bond that keeps you together... which is fear of the future.

For 6 months I lived in a one bedroom flat, no job and apparently no future, but determined I would see this through to the end and rebuild my life. That I have done, rebuilding my life, starting my own business and in the process finding my self respect, confidence and a resolve I never knew I had.

I once had as my moto, "You cannot explore the oceans if you are to afraid to leave the shore",  leaving the shore was the hardest, scariest thing I ever did, but In the end it was the best for myself and my family.

I feel its your time to leave the shore.

Buffy
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Sandy

Quote from: Buffy on July 24, 2008, 07:27:24 AM
Quote from: Maggie Kay on July 23, 2008, 04:42:57 PM

As for getting out, that is very very difficult so I can be safe. I would have to throw away my only hope and a designing business that I dearly love.  After that, I would be living in a one room walkup with a bed and a TV and totally alone. I don't think I can take that mentally. I would not be able to come here because I couldn't afford internet access. That would be devastating. I gotta find a way that is gradual and preserves my future. I have no retirement funds no assets, I have to be very careful. I know it is a balance of two evils. Right now, there is not much out there that looks any better.

Maggie

I once had as my moto, "You cannot explore the oceans if you are to afraid to leave the shore",  leaving the shore was the hardest, scariest thing I ever did, but In the end it was the best for myself and my family.

I feel its your time to leave the shore.

Buffy

Step into the abyss...

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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MaggieB

Quote from: Buffy on July 24, 2008, 07:27:24 AM
Quote from: Maggie Kay on July 23, 2008, 04:42:57 PM

As for getting out, that is very very difficult so I can be safe. I would have to throw away my only hope and a designing business that I dearly love.  After that, I would be living in a one room walkup with a bed and a TV and totally alone. I don't think I can take that mentally. I would not be able to come here because I couldn't afford internet access. That would be devastating. I gotta find a way that is gradual and preserves my future. I have no retirement funds no assets, I have to be very careful. I know it is a balance of two evils. Right now, there is not much out there that looks any better.

Maggie

Sometimes that is what it takes, that step into the unkown, that ultimate sacrifice.

I have been there Maggie, I had to leave a job, a home, a family and do exactly what you are scared of doing, because that was my only option.

Staying in the relationship you are in is only prolonging the inevitable, staying together because it is the 'safe" thing for both of you today is not benefiting you both. It is time for you both to take that step outside the comfort zone and sever the bond that keeps you together... which is fear of the future.

For 6 months I lived in a one bedroom flat, no job and apparently no future, but determined I would see this through to the end and rebuild my life. That I have done, rebuilding my life, starting my own business and in the process finding my self respect, confidence and a resolve I never knew I had.

I once had as my moto, "You cannot explore the oceans if you are to afraid to leave the shore",  leaving the shore was the hardest, scariest thing I ever did, but In the end it was the best for myself and my family.

I feel its your time to leave the shore.

Buffy
I did this once in my life leaving my job, family, friends behind putting what I could in a station wagon and driving across country to live here in California. I was 34 then and at the peak of my earnings potential. It was a nightmare then, now, at 57, in not great health, with the past dogging me and no money, how am I to make it even one week? Even a one bedroom apt here starts at $1000 a month. I'd need to move to another part of the state and there is no money to do that. I need space to run my business even assuming I could move it. i can walk into an abyss but at this point, the abyss is suicide. I need something that will work.

I am seeing my therapist on Tuesday. Things around here are escalating and I am worried. Yes, I know that the bulk of the advise is to go but I have other considerations too. If I go, my daughter will be devastated. She is just beginning her new job and plans to make a career of it. She lives with us and we are close. If I go, she and Cheryl will be alone here and Cheryl might flip out. She probably will flip out leaving our daughter alone and in crisis too. It will change her life. It could derail her career.

If I had any chance of making it alone, I'd do it. I know what it is like out there alone and homeless. It is a cold heartless world out there. In fact, I was homeless twice and I know.  Some people might take me in but in a few weeks, they will be more than willing to throw me out. Not because I am a problem, it is because people want assurances that they haven't taken someone in permanently. When we were homeless, we went to the churches and were put up in homes. It never lasted more than a couple weeks before we were placed in another one until finally one just told us to leave. We left for a motel and after paying for one night, we had ten cents. Cheryl managed to get a temp job typing which saved us from the street.

I can sit on the street with a cardboard sign saying "Homeless, Will work for food". A homeless transwoman alone won't last a week.  Why would I sign up for that? Better to be stabbed to death in the night in my own bed.

Maggie

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Janet_Girl

Maggie,

We all understand about your situation.  But we are worried that you are in serious danger.  If you have to stay then make sure your daughter is very aware of what is going on and that you feel like you are in danger.

I know that you know it, but more women are killed by a abusive loved one and she does have an abused background.

Just please be careful and let someone in your circle know, someone that can check up on you occasionally.

Stay safety, watch out for yourself please.

Love,
Janet
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MaggieB

Quote from: Janet Lynn on July 24, 2008, 12:47:46 PM
Maggie,

We all understand about your situation.  But we are worried that you are in serious danger.  If you have to stay then make sure your daughter is very aware of what is going on and that you feel like you are in danger.

I know that you know it, but more women are killed by a abusive loved one and she does have an abused background.

Just please be careful and let someone in your circle know, someone that can check up on you occasionally.

Stay safety, watch out for yourself please.

Love,
Janet

Janet,
I am so grateful for all the well meaning advise here. I am aware of the danger and I have decided that with no better option, I have to risk it. I am prepared should the unthinkable happen. I have written my last letters to all my children and have them in a safe place where they will be found should something happen to me. I knew that transition was a one way ticket and that I might not make it. If something happens and I am no more, I will have at least known what it is to experience the happiness of being Maggie at least for a while. That is so much better than to never have done it. I have no regrets. This life is not comprehensible and we never know when it is over. I am hopeful that I will be able to have a future even with the situation I have today.

She has now forced me to agree that I will only see my therapist once a month and that will only be until January when it must stop. I was forced to agree that the orchi is the only trans expense I will ever have. NO FFS, NO facial hair removal, no vaginoplasty. Nothing.

She is taking some of the cash to see a therapist. She refused to see the free clinic that she sent me to last year and wants a paid therapist. I assume it is over her self diagnosis that she needs anger management. Something is better than nothing. She is behaving strangely. She got up at 4:50 and had a shower making soft banging sounds in there. She has a strange look on her face, too very strained and penetrating looks. I did actually worry that I might get it psycho style in the shower this morning. It didn't happen, I was overreacting.  Still, I know it is worrisome.

There are people that I can call, my doctor said I could call her anytime as she is aware of the circumstances and is a colleague of my therapist. I also have Sheena in Santa Cruz who calls me every day so I am not completely alone.  Thankfully, I am alone here in the house and I have the family vehicle. I don't have to worry about being ambushed by my wife coming home early.

Hopefully, there will be a way out of this dark forest. I'm looking.

Maggie




Posted on: July 24, 2008, 01:44:02 PM
I have spent the weekend typing like mad. I lost myself in writing my novel. It was a great diversion. However, I felt that there was a demon lurking over my shoulder every second. The specter of the life I must lead haunts me. It hovers over me like a shrouded figure promising doom and destruction. My novel allows me to escape this creature and to peer into the screen instead of looking into the darkness of the house. I cling to the memories and the made up world that I created for the story that I am creating. It sustains me, protects me and shields me from the despair of reality. I wrote over 10000 words over the weekend and it was marvelous. Still, my nights are filled with nightmares and waking up every hour. My mornings are full of dread as I know it is required that I have coffee with Jane. I cannot dare to skip this hollow ritual or there are consequences. I tried to write today but could only manage to edit a few passages. Finally, in desperation, I re-discovered a long lost remedy and one that I used for years before the turn of the century. ALCOHOL.
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Lisbeth

Quote from: Maggie Kay on August 04, 2008, 07:16:44 PM
Finally, in desperation, I re-discovered a long lost remedy and one that I used for years before the turn of the century. ALCOHOL.

Alcohol is not a remedy.  It's not even a good escape.  Please, reconsider what everyone has told you.

Lisbeth
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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joannatsf

Quote from: Maggie Kay on August 04, 2008, 07:16:44 PM



Posted on: July 24, 2008, 01:44:02 PM
I have spent the weekend typing like mad. I lost myself in writing my novel. It was a great diversion. However, I felt that there was a demon lurking over my shoulder every second. The specter of the life I must lead haunts me. It hovers over me like a shrouded figure promising doom and destruction. My novel allows me to escape this creature and to peer into the screen instead of looking into the darkness of the house. I cling to the memories and the made up world that I created for the story that I am creating. It sustains me, protects me and shields me from the despair of reality. I wrote over 10000 words over the weekend and it was marvelous. Still, my nights are filled with nightmares and waking up every hour. My mornings are full of dread as I know it is required that I have coffee with Jane. I cannot dare to skip this hollow ritual or there are consequences. I tried to write today but could only manage to edit a few passages. Finally, in desperation, I re-discovered a long lost remedy and one that I used for years before the turn of the century. ALCOHOL.

There is no problem so trivial that it can't be made worse by the addition of alcohol.   :'(
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MaggieB

Yes, I know, Stupid. But I was going to ask my therapist for drugs to help me cope as that is all I have left. Alcohol seemed like a short term solution until I see her on Friday.

Maggie

Posted on: August 04, 2008, 07:42:45 PM
Hey,I didn't mean to call anyone stupid.  I was saying I did a stupid thing.  I wrote it while I was tipsy and didn't realize that it could be interpreted that I was calling someone stupid. I really apologize if that came across like that to anyone. It was incredibly stupid to drink again. I finished a bottle that had initially been started in 1999 and was my "don't touch alcohol" bottle. I once had a very serious drinking problem.  I had the worst nightmare ever last night and woke up in a sweat. I felt absolutely horrible. Alcohol and Spiro don't mix. My heart raced like I was running a marathon. The one good thing that came from it is that my wife asked me to call and schedule to see my therapist this morning. I have an appointment already that she doesn't know about because she forced me to agree to stop seeing her but once a month and my therapist would not agree to that. The therapist says I am in crisis. At least, I don't have to fabricate a fancy excuse to see her now.
Oh, yes, my wife saw her gender therapist yesterday and this morning she tells me "I am sorry for how I treated you, what you did was not intentional" She wouldn't go into it further but I assume that she meant being trans is not my fault now. I'll take that.

Once again, so so sorry for the miscue.

Maggie
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Lisbeth

Quote from: Maggie Kay on August 05, 2008, 09:34:11 AM
The therapist says I am in crisis.

I agree.  I worry about you.

Lisbeth
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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Suzy

Oh, Maggie!  I just saw this thread.  I'm so sorry, honey, that you are having to go through this.  Most of it has already been said:  You are in an abusive relationship and you need to find a way to get out.  I guess I don't understand why you would lose your business, but I'll take your word for it.  Your "wife" is acting like a lioness trainer.  She is cracking the whip to create both her reality and yours, while inside your heart, you long to run and leap.  She's got you trained well.  My suspicion is that this would be going on whether you had trans issues or not.  I would never blame the victim (you), but there are are some things you really need to consider.  What you are doing is trying to be a healthy person, physically and mentally.  She doesn't want you well.  Forgive me sweetie, but I'm not entirely convinced you totally want it either because she has only the control you allow her to have.  It may be miserable as can be, but it is predictable, and in that respect, comfortable.  When you make any move toward being healthy, the result is a foregone conclusion:  She does whatever it takes to put you back in your place.  And back you go.  There will need to be an issue where you stand your ground, and soon.  Start with something small but worthwhile, and stick to it.  Force her to adjust this time.  Be ready for her to release her onslaught, but have none of it.  Once the dust settles, do it again.  Then again and again in small increments until you are where you need to be to be whole, regardless of whether or not your relationship can be salvaged.

Well so much for the lesson in systems therapy.  You are a wonderful woman and I truly want the best for you.

Peace,
Kristi
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vanna

anyone reading this thread would be deeply worried about you maggie

im so sorry your having to deal with this ontop of all the issues we have as well. i wont patronise you or repeat what other people have said so much better but i really hope you can come up with a secondary plan that will help you out.

I know you hanging in there for your family but at some point it must be about maggie too. If only you could start putting money away for youself and start to become empowered.

Hugs and please remember many people are rooting for you.
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