Quote from: glendagladwitch on October 17, 2008, 08:04:46 AM
I call myself an atheist because I think it extremely unlikely that there is a god, and, if there turns out to be a god, I really really really really hate that f@cker.  Occasionally, I do pray, though, when I see some horrible injustice or the like and no god doing anything about it.  It usually goes something like this:  "God, if you're there, f@ck you, you arrogant prick!"

How do you know God didn't cause the problem in the first place?  God might exist, and just be an evil SOB.  All the standard arguments for monotheism can be just as easily applied to an evil God.  Take Aquinas' five proofs... they say nothing about morality.

Posted on: October 17, 2008, 01:03:36 pm

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I'd be more afraid of pissing off an evil God than a good one, myself.

Quote from: Kimberly on October 17, 2008, 09:53:55 AM
If you wish another perspective, do (generic) you coddle a child every time they fall? Do you (again generic) rush to their side every time they cry?

If I had the power to make the world into a place where no child ever fell or felt like crying, I would do it.  If there is a god with that kind of power, it's not doing anything but torturing us.  And if it does not have that kind of power, why should I worship it?

There are no atheists in a fox hole?  I'm pretty sure that foxes don't believe in god.



I don't think that I'll ever change my mind about the god thing.  I honestly see no evidence to support my belief. I know that others do though and I can accept their decision. I try my best to support them in their beliefs because it is important to me.

Cindi

I do admire nature though.  It is fascinating.

Cindi

Quote from: glendagladwitch on October 17, 2008, 09:26:56 PM

Quote from: Kimberly on October 17, 2008, 09:53:55 AM
If you wish another perspective, do (generic) you coddle a child every time they fall? Do you (again generic) rush to their side every time they cry?

If I had the power to make the world into a place where no child ever fell or felt like crying, I would do it.  If there is a god with that kind of power, it's not doing anything but torturing us.  And if it does not have that kind of power, why should I worship it?

I respect that point of view deeply, I truly do. It is also a frame of mind I shared previously, an indeed some of my vocalization of such thoughts can still be found here as far as I know. Yet, somewhere in transition I resolved to throw away all of the façades, all of the lies all of the crap that life had accumulated. I wanted rock bottom truth. ^*shrug* I ended up with a different perspective, among other things. Technically, I had to inch closer to "truth" because 1. It is too complicated for this context. An 2. it hurts like hell. Actually, no, hell didn't hurt. ... My truth is my own but I will say it has involved a lot of tears.


I fear I really can't, or rather am not willing, to say much else in public. (I invite PMs if it is wanted. Perhaps I would speak frankly.) I will say this however, yes it seems horrid on the surface but what is and what appears tends to differ, and I would suppose that we here should well understand that point, that appearances are deceiving that matter. But while I do not profess to know the why of every event, I will say what I know of the being oft called "GOD" says that "he" is worthy of the love I have for "him", an really, quite a lot more.

Just to note, I do not think worship is what is wanted. Just believe in something, that seems to be what is wanted.

If it helps, I do not think it is as bad as it looks.

^*curtsy*
Namaste.

Hi Kimberly, I would be interested in discussing this topic further, as it is pretty well a continuation of our last messagings we had a while back. I am aware that there are some here who will think this kind of subject mater kind of for the birds. So I am accustomed to having people think I am for the birds. I like birds anyway.

But I am also know a few others here who are interested in this type of topic. I have shared a few posts with them then we just drifted away in our own individual directions. Sharing by PM is fine but that also dies off after a time. I would like to have a place, maybe start a thread, or use my blog. A place where we can share without being harassed. Using PM or even email is probably a good idea as well for comparing notes.

Cindy 

Just in case the thread slipped under the covers before anyone noticed,
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,45767.0.html
An yes, birds are neat

Anybody here? Hey, Ol' Man, You home tonight? Can you spare a minute? It's about time we had a little talk. I know I'm a pretty evil fella. Killed people in the war and got drunk and chewed up municipal property and the like. I know I got no call to ask for much but even so, you gotta admit, you ain't dealt me no cards in a long time. It's beginnin' to look like you got things fixed so I can't never win out. Inside, outside, all 'em rules and regulations and bosses. You made me like I am. Just where am I supposed to fit in? Ol' Man, I gotta tell ya. I started out pretty strong and fast. But it's beginnin' to get to me. When does it end? What do ya got in mind for me? What do I do now? All right. All right. (He kneels on his knees and cups his hands in prayer.) On my knees, askin'. (pause) Yeah, that's what I thought. I guess I'm pretty tough to deal with, huh? A hard case. I guess I gotta find my own way.

Cool Hand Luke, final speech by Newman

Hi Kimberly, thank you for the thread.  Visited the thread and left a small introductory post.

Have a wonderful day, and now to return this thread back to it's original topic.

Cindy