I have been sure since I understood the possibility. They just did not find ''objective'' evidence and psychiatric profile spoke stronly against. They had to do the diagnoses from only what I have been told. I was first patient in my country to do so. I personally think that the biggest mistake I can do will be cancel my transition. And I would rather  choose death than detransition.

It's not like its a race with a prize for being the first one there. 

I was not a first patient to transition I was first that was not excluded because of psychoanalysits recomended only analytic therapy.

Quote from: Kate on October 22, 2008, 11:20:28 AM
I wonder which was more courageous/difficult: deciding to transition? Or admitting the "mistake" and going back?

Kate,

As someone who transitioned, lived RLT for over a year, and then re-transitioned, all in a fairly public profession, I know exactly how difficult a decision that was for Christine/Mike to make. It was certainly the hardest one of my life, much more so than my original decision to transition. I can also say that while a difficult thing to do, it wasn't a "mistake". In many ways, I didn't really ever transition back, but instead transitioned beyond. And it's still evolving....

Zythyra

QuoteIt's bad enough that people commit suicide

Committing suicide is OK if the person has valid reasons therefor your subjective view of bad must be belief of religious nature. Different cultures look differently at this type of behavior. This person who lives and breaths mass communication is an obvious victim of it.

Quote from: lisagurl on October 22, 2008, 02:28:21 PM

QuoteIt's bad enough that people commit suicide

Committing suicide is OK if the person has valid reasons therefor(e) your subjective view of bad must be belief of religious nature. Different cultures look differently at this type of behavior. This person who lives and breaths mass communication is an obvious victim of it.

You know, Lisa, for someone who prides herself on rational and logical argument your conclusion has no relationship to your premise.

As a matter of fact I simply find suicide to be a rather useless exercise for the most part for reasonably young humans with otherwise non-fatal ailments. I think that there is a remarkable amount of creativity and promise that gets wasted by suicide, creativity and promise that could actually help mitigate suffering and despair in this world.

I haven't a worry about any other worlds as they are not where I am currently residing.

Nikki

QuoteI think that there is a remarkable amount of creativity and promise that gets wasted by suicide, creativity and promise that could actually help mitigate suffering and despair in this world.

What about the creativity and promise that created the suffering and despair. Just look at the haves and have not's. The haves use them as slaves.

What about the creativity and promise that created the suffering and despair

Or, what is more common, the suffering and despair that creates promise and art.  Face it happy people make junk art, its not Van Gough, its Thomas Kinkade or some other kitch crap.  Happy people do no make great change.  Dissatisfaction does that.

Reminds me of a cartoon that hangs in my office where the line is "Blues is a kind of music that people made before Prozac."

Sure, "don't worry, be happy"  (repeat ad nauseam, - literally - because that's all the lyric there really is,) has a hard time competing with:

Darkness at the break of noon.
Shadows even the silver spoon
The handmade blade, the child's balloon
Eclipses both the sun and moon
To understand you know too soon
There is no sense in trying.

Pointed threats, they bluff with scorn
Suicide remarks are torn
From the fool's gold mouthpiece
The hollow horn plays wasted words
Proves to warn
That he not busy being born
Is busy dying.

As the poet once said, "Genius is pain."

And sure, I work my people like the dogs they are.  I ride them hard, put them up wet, and when they call me a 'perfectionist bitch' I look at them and remark "you say that like it's a bad thing."  But I do make sure they get paid, and paid well.  No slaves here. 

I've seen a ton of people transition.  Some disappeared, but I've only personally known and experienced two people that detransitioned.

One was a sweet and dear friend who said she "woke up" one day in the weeks before SRS and said, "What the hell am I doing?"  After that, he became a really snide and mean-spirited person.  The last words he said to me were, "See ya!  Wouldn't wanna be ya!"

The other was someone I met long after the detransition had occurred.  He was fundamentally opposed to SRS for anyone, and thought it should be illegal.  He was a medical doctor and a ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-.

I'd really like to meet some more detransitioners.  I know they can't all be like that.  But these two put a bad taste in my mouth.

Quote from: glendagladwitch on October 22, 2008, 05:34:18 PM
I'd really like to meet some more detransitioners.  I know they can't all be like that.  But these two put a bad taste in my mouth.

You sure about that, Glenda?

Nichole

O, tekla, I agree about art and music and a few other things in that regard. Great strife, etc does seem to spur great creativity.

But I think the despair spurs suicide and I believe that there are ways to avoid despair given youth and otherwise good health.

Last I checked Vincent didn't paint any more after he committed suicide, neither did Hemingway or Dorothy Kilgallen or Jim Morrison, etc. do any great art after they were dead.

Nikki

I prefer to talk about harmfulness rather than "good" or "bad," which are labels used to place moral judgements on ideas without any accountability.  Suicide is obviously inherently harmful to oneself and to others who experience distress as a result of the suicide.  But, you can't do much of anything without displeasing or disadvantaging someone.  So an analysis of relative harms has to be performed.  I think it is oversimplified to say that suicide is always more harmful than not.  In general, however, it seems to be the case.  But a blanket ban on suicide is based on a moral judgement that suicide is always "bad."

QuoteBut I do make sure they get paid, and paid well.  No slaves here. 

Money is not everything. I know many people that took a cut in pay to get more satisfaction in their work. Money is only good for consumption which is a poor excuse for happiness.