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Transsexual Quebec inmate serving time in men's prison after complaints from wom

Started by Chaunte, December 26, 2008, 06:19:12 AM

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Transsexual Quebec inmate serving time in men's prison after complaints from women

Wed Dec 24, 2:22 PM
By The Canadian Press

MONTREAL - A transsexual Quebec inmate who hasn't physically completed the transformation to a woman is serving her jail time in a prison for men.


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/081224/national/que_transsexual_inmate_1
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goingdown

This shows how strong the genital rule is. And I think that in case post-ops are in some state put to male prisons it is a case for civil right litigation.
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mickie88

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this is awful, i can only imagine the mental anguish she is going through, not to mention the guarenteed physical abuse that the good inmates and corrections officers will deny ever giving her. it may be Canada, but that doesn't change the people in prison or how they treat transwomen. >:(


i apologize as i didn't get to read the entire article because my computer froze. i don't condone the violence against children as most of you know i have three.

my father was a corrections officer so whether this person is trans or not, it is most likely she will not live to see next year. my dad has told me many stories of inmates killing child molestors in prison.  I DO NOT CONDONE THE VIOLENCE OF CHILDREN!!!  >:(
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goingdown

Canadian federal prison system demands that transwoman has undergone SRS to be located as woman( As U.S. federal system even there are no written rules).

This woman has not had SRS. She can even die because they sent her to a rough male prison.

It is questionable has the court decision Kavanagh vs. Canada (2001, 2003)
helped notable pre-op transwomen in Canadian system. Other way than that Ms. Kavanagh won the surgery.
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tekla

The charge ain't helping the case gain sympathy.  Trans or not, in a male or female prison or not, that kind of charge is going to make prison life about as hard as it gets.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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goingdown

Objectivily she is getting too harsh punishment. I agree that she should go to prison but in female prison to with some special arangement (like isolation from other inmates).
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tekla

If you are in isolation, what's it matter what kind of jail it is?  Second, given the charges she's not going to be in any better shape in a womens jail, matter of fact, she might be worse off.  Just imagine what her life would be like surrounded 24/7 by women who feel exactly about it like Emme, except a lot bigger, meaner, and extremely violent in many cases. 
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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goingdown

The problem in this case is her legal status. In case somebody is legally woman she deserves same punishment as any other woman from her crime. Because of her anatomy and crime she must put in isolation/solitary. Isolation in female prison is a different sentence than isolation in male prison. Less cruel.
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Ellieka

No punishment is too good for someone that assaults a child. I don't give a flyin' rip who or what they are. An adult hurting a child is unforgivable. 
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goingdown

However she is legally woman in Quebec and deserves same punishment not harsher than other legally woman. Solitary confiment even in female prison would be a real punishment for her. She should also serve more than 40 months at least 120 months.
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Ellieka

I don't care if she is legally a woman or not. She f-ing sexually assaulted a child!!! ....sexually what part of that does not stir up anger in you? Who knows how she did but if she used he "male" member to do it then I think it only right she serves her time in a prison with men.

Perhaps you would feel differently if you were the child. Do you have any freekin' idea what that does to a child??!?!!? NO! APPARENTLY NOT!!!
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goingdown

However sending her to male prison is torture.  I do not support torture for anyone.
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goingdown

After SRS she will be moved to female prison. ( She may get her SRS while in prison, it is Canada, not the USA)
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Ellieka

So that sends the message. "commit a violent crime against a child and get free medical treatment" all on the tax payers dollar.

Sorry, but I disagree. Strongly.
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goingdown

My quit distant fried Synthia Kavanagh got her surgery and was moved to female prison. She killed a person with crushing her skull dozens of times. And the person was another transwoman. Still I think that she got what she needed as necessary medical treatment.
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tekla

I think in goingdown's case it has to do with refusing mandatory military service, and in that I support GD.  No one should be forced to serve in the military.  Ever.  Anywhere.

We could end a lot of war that way.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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lisagurl

Finland
Main article: Conscription in Finland
Finland has mandatory military service for men of a minimum duration of six months (180 days), depending on the assigned position: those trained as officers or NCOs serve for twelve months (362 days), specialist troops serve for nine (270 days) or twelve months, while rank and file serve for the minimum period. Unarmed service is also possible, and lasts eleven months (330 days). The obligation to enter into service begins at the age of 19, and may be postponed to the age of 29, when it becomes either mandatory, or the conscript is exempted.

Since 1995, women have been able to volunteer for military service. During the first 45 days, women have an option to quit at will. Having served for 45 days, they fall under the same obligation to serve as men except for medical reasons. A pregnancy during service would interrupt the service but not automatically cause a medical discharge.

Non-military service of twelve months is available for men whose conscience prevents them from serving in the military. Men who refuse to serve at all are sent to prison for six months or half the time of their remaining non-military service at the time of refusal. In theory, male citizens from the demilitarized Åland region are to serve in customs offices or lighthouses, but since this service has not been arranged, they are always exempted in practice. Jehovah's Witnesses' service is postponed every two years until they, at the age of twenty-eight, are exempted from service. Military service has been mandatory for men throughout the history of independent Finland since 1917. Soldiers and civilian servicemen receive a daily salary of 3.80 € (days 1 – 180), 6.50 € (days 181 – 270) and 9.00 € (onward from day 271).

Approximately 20% are trained as NCOs (corporals, sergeants), and 10% are trained as officers-in-reserve (second lieutenant). In wartime, it is expected that the officers-in-reserve fulfil most Company Commander positions. At the beginning of the service, all men go through same basic training of eight weeks. After this eight week period it is decided who will be trained as NCOs or officers.

Having completed the initial part of the service as a conscript, the soldier is placed in the reserve. Reservists may be called for mandatory refresher exercises. Rank and file serve a maximum of 40 days, specialists 75 days and officers and NCOs 100 days. Per refresher course day, the reservists receive a taxable salary of about fifty euro. The salary depends slightly on the military rank: officers receive €56, NCOs €53 and rank-and file 51€ per diem. The service is mandatory; it is not possible to refuse an order to attend the refresher exercise, only postpone. As of late though, the option to opt for non-military service has been made available as the Finnish Defence Forces has made ongoing budget cuts, reflected in the number of reservist exercises annually.

There are no general exemptions for the conscription. Study, work or other civilian activity is not grounds for exemption nor automatic postponing. The law requires employers, landlords etc. to continue any pre-existing contracts after the service. For medical reasons, exemption or postponing can be given only by a military doctor. If the disability is expected to be cured, there is no exemption, and the service is postponed. The basic doctrine is that the great majority of each age cohort serve, and the size of the active army can be adjusted by changing the maximum age of reservists to be called up, instead of using selective service.

The option to military service is civilian service, where a conscript finds a job at some public institution, where he serves 12 months, the same as the longest rank-and-file service (drivers). Before 2008, the law required 13 months, which was criticized for being punitive.

Over 80% of Finnish males serve in the military. Often there is great pressure from family members to do armed instead of civilian service. Finnish World War Two veterans are highly respected in Finland, and not undertaking military service may be considered an offence towards veterans in the family. There has also been a prevailing social assumption that masculinity can only be proved by army service, and, consequently, not doing so can lead to the stigmatisation of non-conscripts as not "real men". This has recently started waning as being considered an old-fashioned perspective, but it still holds in some more traditional occupations such as teaching.[citation needed] Additionally, the youth are often frightened that employers do not hire men who have performed civilian service.

The national security policy of Finland is based on a credible independent defence of all Finnish territory. The maximum number of military personnel abroad is limited to 2,000 (out of the 900,000 available reserve). Contributions to the UN troops comprise only professional soldiers and trained, paid reservists who have specifically applied to such operations. Therefore, there is no "expeditionary wars" argument against conscription.

Draft dodging is nearly non-existent, as failure to show up to conscription immediately leads to an arrest warrant and is prosecuted as absence without leave, or desertion after five days of absence. Showing the military pass is required to obtain a passport.

Political opposition to conscription is rather marginalized and heavily associated with Communist or anarchist groups. Particularly, the "Defenders of Peace" (Rauhanpuolustajat), who opposed military readiness, were supported by the Soviets during the Cold War era. Therefore, opposition to conscription is still heavily associated with anti-patriotism and Communism.
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lisagurl

QuoteThe option to military service is civilian service, where a conscript finds a job at some public institution, where he serves 12 months,

QuoteFor medical reasons, exemption or postponing can be given only by a military doctor.

The cost of government health care has to come from some service to the government.
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lisagurl

QuoteCis-woman get free healtcare and they do not have to do anything.

You think it is morally correct to receive handouts from other people's work and time as you are capable but do not contribute at all? Then you rather sit in prison than contribute some kind of work to society?
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lisagurl

Perhaps every able bodied person should perform some kind of service.
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