QuoteThe statement was permanent because of I was classified long termly unstable.

Then you do not have to make any deal with the courts. You have done nothing wrong and the court has no reason to prosecute you.

When did this turn into a question about whether or not goingdown is trans?  I see no reason to doubt her.

QuoteThe mother's friend did not make the deal it was a prosecutor who wanted to give a chanche.

What could the prosecutor do you are within the law he can not send you to jail. No deal is necessary unless he can prover that you are not "mentally too unstable to serve".

And you want to be a lawyer?

And you want to be a lawyer?

No but with the qualification mentally too unstable to serve you could run almost any church in the US, or be pope, or you could have been Bush or Cheney.

Quote from: TamTam on December 26, 2008, 08:05:19 PM
When did this turn into a question about whether or not goingdown is trans?  I see no reason to doubt her.

It has nothing to do whether she is transsexual or not. It has to do with having SRS to get out of the draft. When the reason she was exempt from the draft is for being "mentally too unstable to serve" not transsexual.

As News moderator, I'd like to remind everyone, no personal attacks, as per site rules. Also, this discussion of goingdown's military service or trans status has little to do with the OP. Please keep the discussion in this section on topic. Thanks.

Z

Criminal law is designed to punish people for certain crimes, child abuse being one of them. It doesnt matter if the person is transsexual or not, they go to prison to be punished, in solitary confinement if required to protect themselves from others or others from them.

Lets not get into this is ""discrimiation against transsexuals"', if the person concerned is still legally male they should go to a male prision and be punished for the crime that has been committed. All this person does for many of the general public is re-enforce the belief that we are a bunch of sexual deviants.

I would also withhold all medical treatment for this person until they came out of prison as part  of the punishment. The World has become to liberal and politically correct and pamper to much for the human rights of people who break the law and totaly forget the victims of crime and their eternal suffering.

Personally, I would just leave this person to rot in jail.

Buffy

Quote from: The Only Warrior Princess Mickie on December 26, 2008, 08:32:40 AM
this is awful, i can only imagine the mental anguish she is going through, not to mention the guarenteed physical abuse that the good inmates and corrections officers will deny ever giving her. it may be Canada, but that doesn't change the people in prison or how they treat transwomen.


i apologize as i didn't get to read the entire article because my computer froze. i don't condone the violence against children as most of you know i have three.

my father was a corrections officer so whether this person is trans or not, it is most likely she will not live to see next year. my dad has told me many stories of inmates killing child molestors in prison.  I DO NOT CONDONE THE VIOLENCE OF CHILDREN!!! 

In case she they would have done a right thing and sent her a female prison. She would not face death or worse form of abuse.  Pure cruelty is for revengence is never a thing that makes us more humane. I will pray for this women. And in case she dies it could have been avoided. In case we want a capitol punishment we should use it, not be cowards and get someone die for violance that any human should never face.

Yes. She deserves to go prison and for a long time.  Even in female prison she would be the most hated inmate and in solitary also after SRS because of her crime.

Any male who commits sexual offences against a woman or child should have their penis surgically removed so they can never hurt another person then just let the go their way. Lot's of folks outside of prisons don't like molesters and rapists either. I have seen people banned off the res for life for such an offence, It considered even more offensive then murder or manslaughter on the heat of passion is forgivable if returned to the res after parole.

Cindy

No hon, May I suggest that maybe you leave all of this prison stuff asside for now. You are only one woman, you cant fix the problems that go on in all the prisons as one woman. The only thing or force that can change that is inmates and the legal system and the general public.

As for this military thing again I don't know what the laws are there but here if you just tell the military that you are transsexual and undergoing transition they couldn't escort you out of the recruiting office fast enough. They don't want sissies in the military and I would sooner be labeled a sissy and not qualify for service and then tell them to kiss it and go on your merry way.

Cindy

She harmed a child, it was a choice, she knew the risks, i have no sympathy that she is in a male prison, either way she will not make it as mikey said... oh well.

QuoteAccording to my knowledge

You knowledge is mostly from hearsay. You refuse to check the facts and get a lawyer that is not connected with your family. You have no solid  answers for many of your fears. Your excuses do not make sense and do not follow the legal system. The military does not take people with mental problems and does not put them in prison. I suggest a good doctor to iron out your fears.

They aint in the US...

No militery takes those diagnosed mentally ill... and none are put in prison for that fact...

It wasn't that long ago in this nation that GID was held as a mental illness - opps, turns out we still have a lot of people fighting to keep it as a mental illness, arguing only over the cure (and who should pay).  During the Vietnam war, acting gay was a pretty good way to get out of the draft, at least in the beginning.  Matter of fact, if you come out as gay, don't you still get kicked out of the military in the US?  Do tell.  I'm sure they would not take a transperson either.

QuoteFor medical reasons, exemption or postponing can be given only by a military doctor. If the disability is expected to be cured, there is no exemption, and the service is postponed.

QuoteI had a statement that I was mentally too unstable to serve.

QuoteThe statement was permanent because of I was classified long termly unstable

So your permanent exemption is based on being unstable not GID. You been unstable way before you was diagnosed as GID. You got your original exemption before you was declared GID.

It seems the Army has the right to review your case at anytime and declare you cured. So your original exemption was not permanent. I can only figure that you changed  your condition from being mentally unstable to transsexual in one of these reviews. I suggest that you get a letter from your doctor that states both mental problems. That will buy you time till you become 28 and will need another letter.

Quote from: tekla on December 27, 2008, 10:10:45 AM
It wasn't that long ago in this nation that GID was held as a mental illness - opps, turns out we still have a lot of people fighting to keep it as a mental illness, arguing only over the cure (and who should pay).  During the Vietnam war, acting gay was a pretty good way to get out of the draft, at least in the beginning.  Matter of fact, if you come out as gay, don't you still get kicked out of the military in the US?  Do tell.  I'm sure they would not take a transperson either.

Don't you get a dishonorable discharge? Those things you have to explain on work applications?

QuoteDon't you get a dishonorable discharge? Those things you have to explain on work applications?

That is a myth. All you do when asked about military duty is say None. N/A  Not everyone was drafted or had to serve. Medical deferment is, and was very common. No questions asked even in government jobs.

In a time when information on people is so easy to get for a few bucks, lying on a job ap, not a good idea. 

That is why our information age has so exactly caught all the corruption with computers. The facts are the more information available the less it is paid attention to.

One of the theaters I work at now runs credit checks and background checks for all employment apps.  Not a big deal, they always did that for people who worked in the box-office and handled money.  Now they even do it for the janitors.  At every company there is someone who does pay attention, because they lose their job if they mess up.  And a dishonorable, or less-than-honorable discharge is pretty much a fast ticket to jobless city.