Honey, there is a difference between pointing out irony, and starting fights. I'm amused by the fact that since your arrival, we only seem to clash... before you i didnt... so you must, without your knowlage be an anarchic catalyst... Ooh, another label for you to wave proudly on your banner of out awesomeness!

Quote from: Starbuck on January 03, 2009, 05:03:15 AM
Honey, there is a difference between pointing out irony, and starting fights. I'm amused by the fact that since your arrival, we only seem to clash... before you i didnt... so you must, without your knowlage be an anarchic catalyst... Ooh, another label for you to wave proudly on your banner of out awesomeness!

As I recall, you threw the first stone 

'keeping it anwynn since xmas 08'

NUFF SAID.

Quote from: Starbuck on January 03, 2009, 05:09:38 AM
'keeping it anwynn since xmas 08'

NUFF SAID.

Whatever your issue is, please keep it to yourself.

Is it too much to ask for a topic to not include vexing fighting for drama?

Put on ignore, for the sake of everyone's sanity.
Peace, out.

Oh, good. Please put her on ignore as well, Starbuck. You two obvioulsy can't communicate. As for me, I appreciate both your points of view, especially when you're not bickering.

I'm sorry for any fuel I might have thrown on the fire.

Okay, back to packing for my FREAKIN' AWESOME TRIP TO THE MOUNTAIAINES!!!!!111!!!!1

Cheers!

~Alyssa

Before this thread gets cut off too I just wish to add something, possibly a strange dream anyway I woke up thinking about all of this transsexual stuff and being normal or striving to live a normal life. I mean I think striving to live as normal a life as we can possibly accomplish is our greatest goal in this life, is it not?.

While I was sleeping last night I had some kind of revelation or dream, whatever it was. I woke up with this impression that I had the answer and came here to wright it down before I forget.

I was thinking we went through or we go through this period of insanity in our lives, except that the insanity of transsexualism is not that transsexualism is the disorder. It's what we were before and after we were hit by GID that is the abnormality, and it was realizing that what we were suffering from a disorder prior to transitioning, or what lead to transitioning is what is all wrong.

Being what we were before leading up to transition was what was abnormality, and subconsciously and instinctively we knew that. Every fiber of our being screamed it at us until we did something about it.

All of this psychological and psychotherapy stuff we have undergone was to help us become normal functioning human beings so that we could live and cope as normal human beings within our own true beings. See, that also make sense as to why a lot of us choose to go stealth, we don't want to be reminded of the insanity we have experienced in the past to become our own normal selves.

Would you like to be reminded of a time spent in an insane asylum cowering in the corner of a padded cell sweating profusely, chewing on your fingernails and muttering to yourself intelligibly in fear and terror, locked up in your own mind not being able to communicate what is going on inside your own grey mater to anyone else?

I don't feel abnormal today? I have learned to live  a normal life as the normal me in my correct gender and sexual Identity. This is me, I love me today. It's not some silly ass game, it's reality. To bring soul, body and mind online and in harmony with one another is as real as it gets.

It is those out there who play their silly ass games with us and so forth and so forth, not mentioning any names, shoot the message not the messenger. These are the ones with the unbalanced minds, the ones who don't want to see us get well because their silly assed little games would come to an end. See? Does that make sense?

Being who I am and having gone through the process would also explain why I have always had this compulsion to do everything within my power to help those who are in need. It is also part of me part of the instinct of the individual that I am.

Other wise what the "F" am I doing here wasting my time. I have a reasonably happy life, living as normally as I can as who I am, and there are plenty out there who would appreciated my support. 

You see my only problem is I just don't see it like about 80% of the rest of the population of this world, like the attitude I don't do unless I know what's in it for me. I was never a what's in it for me selfish bitch like a lot of other people are out there. I was for a time and it nearly killed me to. I do pray most everyone here understands what I am speaking about.

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on January 02, 2009, 12:12:47 PM
... that only another trans person can truly appreciate and understand the issues of another transperson ...

While I greatly appreciate Cindy's thoughtful contributions to this thread, I have to politely disagree with that statement.

And I appologize in advance for using labels like "trans people" and "non trans people," but I don't know how else to put it.

First, that statement implies that a non-trans-person couldn't possibly understand these issues. Isn't that presumptious? Sure, maybe a randomly selected "trans person" will understand another "trans person" better than a randomly selected "non-trans," but we're not talking about random selection. Do you really think that no one out there could understand? If nothing else, therapists do, don't they? The good ones, anyway. And they're not all "trans people," are they?

Second, that statement also implies that "trans people" do understand each other's issues. Ah ... *sick chuckle* ... I offer up this thread as proof that that's not always true.

Sorry if it seems like I'm picking on you, Cindy. I really do like your posts, and you seem to be one of the voices of reason.

As Tekla said, it depends on the people.

I quite agree that not all none trans people understand the phenomena of transsexuality and some do, like for instance some of the researchers and therapists of course do. But on a general note there is also a lot of ignorance out there as well, and also unfortunately some who are trans are quite lost in the knowledge and nature of what trnassexuality is as well, Thus all the bickering.

How would one define transperson and none transperson I couldn't think of any other terms either so I use the simplest terms that came to mind. It only serves to confuse things more if one is strives to nit pic words and try to reinvent the wheel, that's what they are doing with many other types of research. Just like many here will nit pic words to death.

What's wrong with the simple word **passing** mean, for instance? I looked it up in three different dictionaries and all three basically say the same passing = To undergo transition from one condition, form, quality, or characteristic to another:

And Stereotype= Sociology. a simplified and standardized conception or image invested with special meaning and held in common by members of a group:

I sometime wonder if it isn't done on purpose to confuse the masses even more to keep them in the dark about nay truths. The tin gods won't give up their tin thrones on top of poo poo hill that easily. Na, let us go down and confuse the masses, lets keep them in the dark and at each others throats. That is exactly what I am opposed to.

Hone I get disappointed with some people, I don't dislike or hate anyone not even those who seek to stir the chamber pot and confuse us. I don't dislike you for no agreeing with everything I say, actually it's nice to know someone is reading my stuff. 

Maybe I'm just old fashioned and need to go to one of those fancy colleges or something to get reeducated.

MarySue that small passage;

Quotethat only another trans person can truly appreciate and understand the issues of another transperson ..

Was also meant for a few select not the masses. It hold true for my partner and I and a couple of other couples here I know as well.

Cindy 

Quote from: MarySue on January 03, 2009, 01:26:29 PM

Quote from: cindybc on January 02, 2009, 12:12:47 PM
... that only another trans person can truly appreciate and understand the issues of another transperson ...

While I greatly appreciate Cindy's thoughtful contributions to this thread, I have to politely disagree with that statement.

And I appologize in advance for using labels like "trans people" and "non trans people," but I don't know how else to put it.

First, that statement implies that a non-trans-person couldn't possibly understand these issues. Isn't that presumptious? Sure, maybe a randomly selected "trans person" will understand another "trans person" better than a randomly selected "non-trans," but we're not talking about random selection. Do you really think that no one out there could understand? If nothing else, therapists do, don't they? The good ones, anyway. And they're not all "trans people," are they?

Second, that statement also implies that "trans people" do understand each other's issues. Ah ... *sick chuckle* ... I offer up this thread as proof that that's not always true.

Sorry if it seems like I'm picking on you, Cindy. I really do like your posts, and you seem to be one of the voices of reason.

As Tekla said, it depends on the people.

What a refreshing breath of air....
I agree, How do we understand the issues? is every therapist trans? im sorry, but we have to learn about the issues, and the theory pretty much describes it as it is... If its able to be put down on paper, id not think so lowly that non trans people cannot read...

I'll take the little critters you can keep the mean old ->-bleeped-<-s. 

Cindy

Oh god... Please.... Nooooooo!!!!!!

"Hee, hee, hee." I think of myself as an aging lady living out whats left of a reasonably happy life and I deserve it to. I wouldn't leave you stuck with some mean old ->-bleeped-<-s, we just take them over our knees and spank them like spoiled bratz des iz. 

Cindy