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why am I a m2f lesbian?

Started by samantha1976ts, January 16, 2009, 06:36:15 PM

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samantha1976ts

i have always been attracted to female gender and never really for the male gender, not to say i havent crossed the tracks once, i hated it and found that i wasnt gay or attracted to males..                                                                                                     I am transgender and born in the wrong body and I hate what I was born as, but me wanting to be female and still wanting to be with other females how can that be that i feel that way? and is that even possible?
I dont' know anyone that has the same problem, or atleast i have not met anyone, even online, so i feel alone on this and thats why i started this topic.
If your out there your not alone let me know..
All feed back welcome hepl me get some in sight..
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Laura Eva B

Samantha,

Congrats, 'cause a majority of M2Fs here seem to be either gay (attracted to gals) or bi ...

I don't pretend to understand, but I put it down to either nurture, or autogynaphobic / fetishisistic aspects of M2F transsexuality ?

But as I say ... I just don't understand why you would go thru M2F transition to be a lesbian ?

But that doesn't deny you the right to be "you" ...

Laura x


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TamTam

If women can be attracted to other women, why can't mtf women be attracted to other women?  I see no contradiction or strangeness. ??? :)

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I just don't understand why you would go thru M2F transition to be a lesbian ?

Sexual orientation is not a choice, Laura.  You can be a woman without wanting to be with a man.
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Laura Eva B

Quote from: TamTam on January 16, 2009, 07:34:55 PM
Sexual orientation is not a choice, Laura.  You can be a woman without wanting to be with a man.

Sure, but why so many M2F women who either have wives or girlfriends, or are attracted to other women, lesbian far far more than the average population ?

This is what I have a really hard time understanding, as from my earliest teens my fantasies were always about being the girlfriend of a wonderful guy ...

laura x
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Sephirah

Quote from: Laura Eva B on January 16, 2009, 07:30:50 PM
But as I say ... I just don't understand why you would go thru M2F transition to be a lesbian ?

Um... correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you go through M2F transition to be a woman?

I highly doubt that the primary motivation is to be gay.

Nevertheless, I prefer not to hold any sort of judgement about people's sexuality, since I see it as having no relevance to their gender identity. And certainly I don't believe that a person's sexual preference makes them more or less 'valid' as a human being, much less a transsexual human being (of either gender), if they are attracted to one gender rather than the other. So... I'm not entirely sure why the congratulations were warranted.

Being attracted to men doesn't automatically make you a woman, just as being attracted to women doesn't automatically make you a man.
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3
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mmelny

I've always followed a thought pattern that gender identity and sexual preference are two very distinct things.

Embrace yourself, embrace others as makes you happy!

*huggs*,
Melan
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findingreason

I think you're showing denial to the idea of being attracted to the same gender that you are.....of which there is nothing wrong with. The most important thing is being true to who you are on the inside. Remember: gay guys aren't any less of a guy because of it, and lesbians aren't any less of a girl.


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samantha1976ts

       what denile is, it is denying things that exist and are true, with choice of correction that we deny for all sorts of reasons, things we do not want to be truth.                                                                                           But what i feel is not denile for i know thw truth and that i feel lno emotions for the same sex, rather for the oppisite, yet iam m2f but with different wnats and needs and feeling then so many out there. but being attracted to the same sex is something we deal with just like me having to deal with being m2f and attracted to females which makes me a m2f lesbian.. but thank you for your input and reply..me it doesnt matter what we like what gender we perfer or what sex we want to be..its all about being happy and wanting what makes our lives better.and thats understanding the truth of ourselfs first...
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Laura Eva B

All I'm saying that its an odd demographic when some 70% of M2F women on this site seem to identify as gay or bi (see the poll on this subject too ...).

Just want to ask WHY !!!

In the female population its hardly even 5%, I don't know a single cis-gendered lesbian ...

Laura x
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TamTam

Where do you get that statistic?  [Of 5% in the general population?]

At any rate, I am a cisgendered gay woman. :) And there are two more like me in my family alone.  In fact, in my family, gay women outnumber gay men. ;)
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Windrider

Samantha,

There's nothing wrong with being both a trans woman and being attracted to women. I'm sure glad my wife is both, just like you :)

You're not weird or crazy or odd or anything else like that.

WR
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Sephirah

Quote from: Laura Eva B on January 16, 2009, 08:39:41 PM
All I'm saying that its an odd demographic when some 70% of M2F women on this site seem to identify as gay or bi (see the poll on this subject too ...).

Just want to ask WHY !!!

In the female population its hardly even 5%, I don't know a single cis-gendered lesbian ...

Laura x

Maybe because those women are smart enough, or wise enough to realise that they don't have to stereotype themselves in order to fit in or prove their womanliness. *shrugs*
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3
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TamTam

That's definitely possible.  I've read a lot that says the current ideas of how large the gay population is are very conservative, because many [cisgendered?] people still attach such a big stigma to homosexuality they're either in denial about it or don't want to admit it to anyone else.  So where current estimates might say the population is 10%-20% homosexual, the actual percentage could be much higher, and then if you include the percentage who are bisexual..

So perhaps since the trans community already has to deal with stigma just for being trans, coming out as gay wouldn't seem like as big of a deal and they'd be more likely to be open about it?  Just speculating..
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mina.magpie

Samantha sweetie, your gender identity is about who you are, your sexual attraction is about what you like. The two are not the same.

Gender Identity is an inherent part of your psyche, of how you see yourself and how you relate to the world. It has to do with your sense of your body, of your mind and of your spirit. It's all about you and has nothing to do with other people. Being attracted to girls is something else entirely. It's entirely about other people and how you relate to them, what you look for in a partner and what you want a partner to need from you. It's about who you love, and why you love them.

There is no contradiction here hon. Be true to yourself without apology, and the rest will follow.

Mina.

Post Merge: January 16, 2009, 07:14:57 AM

Laura:

According to research by Dr. Richard Kinsey, 37% of males have achieved orgasm through contact with another male and 13% of women through contact with another woman. These results were later questioned, but after retesting and reviewing by Paul Gebhard, the percentage for males was only marginally altered - 36.4, while for females it remained consistent. This is starkly contrasted to the majority of face to face surveys where only between 5 and 12 % of males own up to homosexuality or bisexuality. To be fair, Kinsey and Gebhard's findings stand out because the numbers are so much larger, but they were testing subconscious and involuntary responses while other research is usually survey based. To illustrate the danger of trusting survey data, consider these findings:

Quote...major historical shifts can occur in reports of the prevalence of homosexuality. For example, the Hamburg Institute for Sexual Research conducted a survey over the sexual behavior of young people in 1970, and repeated it in 1990. Whereas in 1970 18% of the boys aged 16 and 17 reported to have had same-sex sexual experiences, the number had dropped to 2% by 1990. [1] "Ever since homosexuality became publicly argued to be an innate sexual orientation, boys' fear of being seen as gay has, if anything, increased," the director of the institute, Volkmar Sigusch, suggested in a 1998 article for a German medical journal. [2]

Contrast this to research on homophobia done at the University of Georgia, which included only men who were exclusively heterosexual. The participants completed a questionaire to judge their attitudes towards homosexuality, and 35 were found to be homophobic.

Of the homophobic group, 80% experienced arousal in response to homoerotic material, while the non-homophobic group came out at 34%. The total sample was 64 males. That equates to about 28 of the homophobic men and 9 of the nonhomophobics, for an overall 58% of the sample being homosexual to some degree.

Kinsey postulated that the majority of people are bisexual by nature but get conditioned in one direction or the other. While I'm not necessarily in full agreement on this idea, I do think that there are ALOT more homosexual and bisexual people out there than will admit it, even to themselves. Transition is about becoming more true to ourselves, which includes letting go of sexual repression.

Sources:
Kinsey Report Data, The Kinsey Institute
The Demographics of Sexual Orientation, Wikipedia
Homophobia, religioustolerance.org

Mina.
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burgandy

Laura X --

You're not alone!!!  In fact, I can think of two famous lesbian transsexuals:  Jenny Boylan, who wrote an *excellent* autobiography, "She's Not There"; and Kate Bornstein, who wrote "Gender Outlaw", or something similar...


Laura B. --

You raise an interesting point.  Could it be because so many transwomen accept themselves after having already developed a male-typical sexual response (attraction to women)?

You mention not being able to understand why anyone would go through (male-to-female) SRS to be a "lesbian"; I can't understand why anyone would go through SRS to be with a man!  Although honestly, typical heterosexual "opposites attract" psychology has always confounded me.

Quote from: Laura Eva B on January 16, 2009, 07:47:34 PM
Sure, but why so many M2F women who either have wives or girlfriends, or are attracted to other women, lesbian far far more than the average population ?

This is what I have a really hard time understanding, as from my earliest teens my fantasies were always about being the girlfriend of a wonderful guy ...

laura x
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sd

Gender has nothing to do with attraction.

Sexuality and gender are separate, however there is mounting evidence both are created the same way, hormones effecting the fetus. That being the case it makes sense that many T.S. people are also gay or bi, besides the fact that our G.I.D. may have confused our sexuality in the first place.
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MeghanAndrews

Quote from: Laura Eva B on January 16, 2009, 08:39:41 PM
(see the poll on this subject too ...).
Laura x

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,53935.new.html#new


I just set up a new poll, let's see how the results look...for MTF's since the forum post addressed them. Just curious and I think this isn't too much thread drift. Meghan
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Maebh

Quote from: Laura Eva B on January 16, 2009, 08:39:41 PM
All I'm saying that its an odd demographic when some 70% of M2F women on this site seem to identify as gay or bi (see the poll on this subject too ...).

Just want to ask WHY !!!

In the female population its hardly even 5%, I don't know a single cis-gendered lesbian ...

Laura x

Are you that surprised?
I think that because we are SPECIAL, (outside the norm) in more ways than one; so why not?
I admit that when I was younger because of my confusion between sex and gender I thought that my female persona was a cover up for some inconscious (male) gay feeling. Despite being sexually attracted to girls I forced myself into some male homosexual relationship with disastrous consequences. 
Then having come to term with my gender identity and free from cultural stereotypes I was then also more clear about my true sexual orientation. From then on all my girlfriends including my wife have always been aware of my ->-bleeped-<-.
Today  I would define myself is as heterolesbian  :D and let the mind police get their head around that one!  ;)
Et vive la difference
As the song says: "I am what I am" and it is no-one's business.
For quite a while I have reached a stage where I can (and am only interested to form,) develop and nuture mutually loving, caring, suportive and gratifiing relationship with who ever I choose who accepts me for who I am.
It gives me such a sense of freedom and exhilaration that I can't get depressed anymore. :laugh:
So Samantha and everyone else still grapling with this I can only sincerely wish you the same.

Hope, Light, Love and Respect.
Maebh
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Mr. Fox

Quote from: Laura Eva B on January 16, 2009, 08:39:41 PM
In the female population its hardly even 5%, I don't know a single cis-gendered lesbian ...

Laura x

This is a definately a matter of your circle of friends rather than the state of the world.  I go to a conservative, republican majority high school and there are a couple open lesbians, and even more openly bi girls.  And these are just the people who are out.  I suspect that the actual incidence of bisexuality is closer to the number of out MtFs rather than the number of out cisgendered females; however, most people who are bi don't come out, so we will never know for sure.
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vanna


I have to agree with other posters about gender and sexuality are very seperate, ive always been attracted to girls and identified as female from my earliest days. So however thats labelled.

Also as lauara mentioned, i guess its circles we all move in. I know a great many lesbians.
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