kendra:
hi honey, i could have said better my self.
love, sheila


Posted at: July 14, 2006, 12:14:32 AM

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Quote from: Chynna on July 12, 2006, 10:11:39 AM

Some of us (much like the "normal" people LOL) follow the programming of society that sez: a woman does this, and this, and that and a lady should never do this that and the other thing....
I think thats why when we look at the type of women (for MtF) we want to be or admire there always so damn pretty or perfect or have the typical perfect bodies, nice breasts, stereotypical feminine shapes,  and facial features (like so many of our avatars!) think about it when was the last time you saw a anybody pick an avatar (not actual photo) of a fat woman? or  a woman someone would say is less then perfect?
its like the catch 22 trap ...we all complain about how normal society has there close minded narrow views of everything more particularly "US" but many of "US" (I included on that one) Fall right into the main stream when it comes to my perception of a woman and what she should look like

Or maybe a sista had way to much caffeine today!

Chynna

Chynna :
Baby, I 've read this a couple of times ...and a couple of times ...you are correct.  I like how simply you have put it.


love, Sheila

Quotethis last part i do not understand or am not sure i do and do not want to assume I do, could you please explain to me what do you mean by:  is so uncomfortable that basking in the gender is such a relief  ( by the way you write beautifully ... is like a poem ) :

Quote from: spike on Today at 16:16:17
It seems like some trans folks are likely to strive for the societal ideal of their gender, perhaps b/c their sex is wrong & it is so uncomfortable that basking in the gender is such a relief.
~Amy

love Sheila

I was trying to say basically some trans folks need to be out of their born sex so bad they would be very strong in their gender roles. Eg Tino FtM, seems very aware of anything physical or whatever that would make him appear F. He is very strong in his manly ways. He believes in traditional husband & wife roles but with a modern twist. We share everything, no one has to do anything or isnt allowed to do anything but he is the man. Eg 2 A lot of MtF are very beautiful. They seem to carry themselves in a way I seldom see bio women pull off. Many put an effort into make up, hair, clothes & accessories (society's preferred nature of women).

My goodness I hope I didnt just confuse you more about what I was trying to say.    Shelia I really appreciate you said I write like poetry. I write off & on (stories etc) but I havent for awhile. I started writing my life story got to age 3 or 4 and have been 'blocked' since. It will come back, it always does.

2 cents: I think real men cry. 

2 cents: I cant even wrap my head around non-gendered separated sports. I will try to on my 10 hour over night shift but I buy into the idea women would get hurt! I am surprised & disappointed in myself        I want to say that some players regardless of gender should all play together but who would decide the parameters on that? 

there's no lines drawn other than by you! nicely stated!

listen man, there's nothing wrong with a house husband! 

i think 50 years ago this post would have looked very different and very traditional, there really wouldn't be much discussion about it. however, now the lines of who can and should do what for which gender are very blurred (positively thing). i think there are stereotype that come along with one gender doing something that isn't "normally" within their guidelines. Example: only lesbians play field hockey/ rugby. Only wussy men cry/ you're not a real man if you cry. Ok maybe not the best examples but you get the idea.

even though i'm the "stay at home husband" (for now) that doesn't mean i'm not providing for my family, i am providing in a non-traditional sense, i am making sure the house, food, dog and family are taken care of. although sometimes i feel i have to compensate for "wearing the apron" (if you will) and act out all over manly.


    Tino

Quote from: wolfie on July 14, 2006, 02:30:17 AM
there's no lines drawn other than by you! nicely stated!

listen man, there's nothing wrong with a house husband! 

i think 50 years ago this post would have looked very different and very traditional, there really wouldn't be much discussion about it. however, now the lines of who can and should do what for which gender are very blurred (positively thing). i think there are stereotype that come along with one gender doing something that isn't "normally" within their guidelines. Example: only lesbians play field hockey/ rugby. Only wussy men cry/ you're not a real man if you cry. Ok maybe not the best examples but you get the idea.

even though i'm the "stay at home husband" (for now) that doesn't mean i'm not providing for my family, i am providing in a non-traditional sense, i am making sure the house, food, dog and family are taken care of. although sometimes i feel i have to compensate for "wearing the apron" (if you will) and act out all over manly.


    Tino

Absolutely!

Chaunte

Yep I am very lucky, very happy woman
thanks Wolfie 

Shiela,

Thanks.....
and because im just simple, period... point blank...
to add my additional 2 cents this should clarify it

MAN _____________________ Woman

The only real line one should draw when trying to decepher ones self and roles

Chynna

Quote from: Nero on July 13, 2006, 08:01:43 PM
I don't want to pass as male if it means I can't display my own innate gestures, mode of speech, walk,etc.
Transition is all for nothing if I can't be me. And if I don't fit some perfect male archetype, (and I can tell you right now that I don't) that's just fine with me. I'm secure in my masculinity, thank you very much.

As to my feelings on gender differences: Male. Female. Whatever.

Yes! Exactly!

I'd hate to find that I'm leaving one self-imposed box for another one.

It's so much easier to deal with others (especially if you are a visibly gender variant TS) if you think in terms of "I'm a person, you're a person and this is just how I look".  Then it doesn't matter what others think about you.

Melissa 

WOW... Those are great input of informations.. All very true....

When you are in a family don't matter what other say.. You got to do what you have to do.

Melissa is right.. If you treat a person like a person then they will do the same for you.

Yeap.. always be secure of who you are.. No one can break you down but you...

Yes, Amy, real men do cry... I cried at the movie Click.

Rafe

oh, and some of us do cook well, too.

Rafe
I was trying to think of a man (I have been close with) who has never cried...There are none. For many it was a repressed quiet moment but tears none the less. Tears that provide some release/relief of toxins and pain. Even the strongest man I have ever known shared tears with me and I realized he was even stronger than I had known.

My goodness I am so out of the loop with what's playing at theatres. I have heard of Click but I dont know anything about it...Could u please fill me in? (Not too much please ~ I like surprises  )

~Amy