Quote from: Josh on February 18, 2009, 03:29:04 PM
ive always wanted kids and still do.  funny thing is, even before i was out to myself i knew i didnt want anything popping out of there and always planned on adopting.

You know, I never wanted anything popping out of my bottom either.

Niether does my little sister...

So... I don't think most girls want to give birth.

They just want the baby.

Quote from: Sebastien on February 18, 2009, 07:13:59 PM

I've never seen any evidence that eggs die from exposure to testosterone. Thomas Beatie didn't have any problem... and he was on T for at least 10-15 years prior to becoming pregnant. I have no money for T, even, so egg storage is nowhere near a possibility.

SD

Five.

His kid is what, four months old?  And if there was anything wrong, do you think we'd have found out about it?

Pat Califia and Matt Rice had a kid years ago.  Their son is autistic.  could it be from T? Who knows.  There simply are not enough (any?) studies on this.  If I were child-inclined and had the anatomy to bear children, there's no way I'd want anything but the healthiest, safest way to conceive a kid.

I have no desire to have a child, and definantly not to have one popping out of me!  If I ever change my mind I can adopt.  I just hope that my sister will pass on the genetic line because I can't.

Quote from: Mister on February 18, 2009, 08:43:50 PM
Five.

His kid is what, four months old?  And if there was anything wrong, do you think we'd have found out about it?

Pat Califia and Matt Rice had a kid years ago.  Their son is autistic.  could it be from T? Who knows.  There simply are not enough (any?) studies on this.  If I were child-inclined and had the anatomy to bear children, there's no way I'd want anything but the healthiest, safest way to conceive a kid.

Apparently, Thomas Beatie was on testosterone, or at least did not experience menstruation, for 8 years prior to becoming pregnant. His child was born healthy, and is roughly 8 months old.

There are numerous causes of birth defects in children, and if you propose that ovarian exposure to testosterone causes these, what about birth control? How about the millions of women worldwide who go through years, even decades, of birth control pills, then stop and become pregnant? High levels of estrogen and progesterone can damage ovaries every bit as much as any other hormone, medication, or toxin. Should those people not be allowed to produce genetic offspring?

By the way... "In rare cases, autism is strongly associated with agents that cause birth defects."
--- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism

Sorry, but I think there's a million reasons not to parent a child. If everyone worried so much about the potential complications, none of us would be here today.

SD

I'd really like to have a kid someday but only after transitioning or when I'm almost done with transitioning. I want to be able to support myself first before I have a kid. I would most likely adopt

Quote from: Aiden on February 18, 2009, 09:40:23 PM
I have no desire to have a child, and definantly not to have one popping out of me!  If I ever change my mind I can adopt.  I just hope that my sister will pass on the genetic line because I can't.

Yeah, my sister nearest in age to me is the only hope of my family's genetic line continuing.  I'm trans, my brother is gay, and my eldest sister does not want children.  Here's to hoping the possible childbearing sibling does not get another ovarian cyst and lose her last ovary.

Quote from: Sebastien on February 19, 2009, 12:49:39 AM

Apparently, Thomas Beatie was on testosterone, or at least did not experience menstruation, for 8 years prior to becoming pregnant. His child was born healthy, and is roughly 8 months old.

There are numerous causes of birth defects in children, and if you propose that ovarian exposure to testosterone causes these, what about birth control? How about the millions of women worldwide who go through years, even decades, of birth control pills, then stop and become pregnant? High levels of estrogen and progesterone can damage ovaries every bit as much as any other hormone, medication, or toxin. Should those people not be allowed to produce genetic offspring?

By the way... "In rare cases, autism is strongly associated with agents that cause birth defects."
--- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism

Sorry, but I think there's a million reasons not to parent a child. If everyone worried so much about the potential complications, none of us would be here today.

SD

Five.  he was off for three years pre-pregnancy.

There is no known cause for Autism.  Everything from vaccines to birth control to environmental factors to gluten have been blamed with no definitive link (though i think i saw a headline the other day that disproves vaccines as a cause). 

The fact that you're willing to take a crapshoot with your kid is completely unbelievable to me.  Maybe it's because I was born with a spinal defect and live in daily pain and listen to the guilt my parents have for something they could have done/should have avoided doing.  To me, it's extremely selfish to not attempt the most healthy pregnancy you can, whether it be a mother who smokes, a a bad diet, a stressful life, or having yoru eggs swim in testosterone for x number of years.  While you, the parents, get to make choices during the pregnancy, it is your child who has to deal with them for life.

Dude, seriously... it's my frickin' choice, and you're pissing me off! My arguments are perfectly rational. I've had enough of your B.S.

In my research I found that there is risk of perminant stirilty when taking these hormones though.  That should least be considered.  Thomas may just been lucky.

That's fine. If I was going to end up sterile because I'm protecting my sanity by being on T, then children of my own would obviously be out of the question. However, if my eggs are viable, I intend upon having kids (99% likely by surrogate).

SD

And in general, having kids is a crapshoot for *everyone*.  Many *normal* folks have kids with birth defects, autism, etc.  And many transfolk have *normal* children.  If you want kids, do what it takes to have them.  There are no guarantees no matter *who* you are, rich, poor, cis-gendered, trans, or what have you.



Jay

Quote from: Sebastien on February 19, 2009, 07:15:27 PM
Dude, seriously... it's my frickin' choice, and you're pissing me off! My arguments are perfectly rational. I've had enough of your B.S.

My discussion points are rational as well.  If you choose to get pissed off at the internet, that's of your own choosing.  I was never disrespectful.

I have a daughter already. I decided that one's enough and that I've done my bit to "repopulate" the earth and so on.
I have also decided that if I were to change my mind and want to have another one later on, I'll adopt. I don't think your child needs to be yours by blood to be loved, taken care of, and happy.

Though the concept of being pregnant interests me, what it takes to get there and then deliver the wee bugger, puts me off XD

... plus, I've been wanting to adopt since I was 15. I have three, relatively normal siblings who I'm sure will happily deliver natal children. My step-dad has no biological children of his own but he's been the best father all of us have had (my lil brother and sister have a different dad to me and my older sister)

So in my experience, genetics aren't important at all.

Quote from: sneakersjay on February 20, 2009, 11:32:48 AM
And in general, having kids is a crapshoot for *everyone*.  Many *normal* folks have kids with birth defects, autism, etc.  And many transfolk have *normal* children.  If you want kids, do what it takes to have them.  There are no guarantees no matter *who* you are, rich, poor, cis-gendered, trans, or what have you.



Jay

Thank you, Jay... that's precisely what I was saying. Some people just don't seem to understand. By the way, Mister... unless you, personally, are the internet, your statement is a bit ridiculous. However, I'm done with that. I'm sorry you have trouble, but blaming others for your problems isn't the way to deal with it. If I choose to have children, that's my choice. I don't stick my head into other people's business, and I expect them to do the same.

SD

QuoteBy the way, Mister... unless you, personally, are the internet, your statement is a bit ridiculous. However, I'm done with that. I'm sorry you have trouble, but blaming others for your problems isn't the way to deal with it.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

Quote from: Mister on February 20, 2009, 05:39:42 PM
My discussion points are rational as well.  If you choose to get pissed off at the internet, that's of your own choosing.  I was never disrespectful.

Sebastian,

I once was The Internet for halloween, but I no longer have the costume.  You're still getting riled up over a completely civil conversation on the internet, which is your choice.  Apparently I should've added another noun for clarity, and for that I apologize.

 


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