Don't use a knife or you could get in trouble for carrying a weapon. Use a credit card instead. Nice thin edge, cuts real well.

Quote from: Lisbeth on February 17, 2009, 09:01:00 PM
Don't use a knife or you could get in trouble for carrying a weapon. Use a credit card instead. Nice thin edge, cuts real well.

You've been watching Steven Segal movies  But it is true. Just be careful not to cut your hand....or lose the c-card 

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Quote from: Cyndigurl45 on February 17, 2009, 03:00:17 PM
I carry 24/7 I am a Federal Agent I carry a Sig P229 and a Browning Hi Power backup. Off duty I carry my H&K USP and a Ruger SP101 back up. While enfemme I carry a purse with a hidden pocket for my off duty backup my SP101. A few others brought valid points, they carry a knife, can't shoot someone, body is a weapon, those are all great and wonderful and if they work great, I have only one comment well three 1 never bring a knife to a gun fight 2 you cannot out run or dodge  bullet and finally 3 find a freind that can shoot someone, kinda raw and I'm sorry for that but in line of work I see the horribile nasty reality of it all, and often ask had they been armed who would be notifing BTW is the absolute worst thing one person can do to another. Sorry for the gore but it's the truth........

I had some jobs that required me to carry an assortment of fire arms when I was younger. Glad those days are over. I'm not totally against guns. But I prefer to avoid using one 

What is she "Jane Bond".  That was his gun for choice. 

Janet

If anyone out there is thinking about  getting a permit for a gun it is very simple

You're out of your mind.  This varies at the discretion of the county sheriff (who has the jurisdiction to give out CC permits) according to state law, in in some places, including most metro areas, its almost impossible unless you can prove a real and dire need - like you carry large sums of money every night, and even then in NYC, or DC, LA, or SF, you ain't getting one.  The places where its easy to get a CC permit, you don't need one.

What is she "Jane Bond".  That was his gun for choice.
You couldn't be more wrong.  As any James Bond fan knows, what James loved what his Beretta, M took it away in Dr. No and FORCED him to take the PPK, and leave the Beretta, which he tried to take back.  FAIL

And I only carry the knife because it's a required item according to my union rules and regulations that I have to have one, and its nice, see:
http://www.shopwiki.com/search/BUCK+870+BONES+TIGER+STRIPE
but its only because its a tool that I use at work almost every show.  On the streets, I depend on a much better weapon, my common sense.

But, given that, I can see where a lot of you think you need weapons.

Quote from: tekla on February 17, 2009, 11:17:54 PM

  On the streets, I depend on a much better weapon, my common sense.

But, given that, I can see where a lot of you think you need weapons.

A comment Virginia can relate to 

Quote from: tekla on February 17, 2009, 11:17:54 PM
On the streets, I depend on a much better weapon, my common sense.

But, given that, I can see where a lot of you think you need weapons.

I agree Tekla, common sense is what keeps you out of dangerous situations in the first place.  If that fails, then you should find a way to escape without involving the use of a weapon.  Everyone should keep in mind, if they are considering carrying any kind of firearm, that firearm can be taken by the attacker and used against you.  Many victims needlessly die this way.

Take a self defense class, and learn how to use your body if you need to.  Those skills, and common sense, which can keep you out of dangerous situations in the first palce, should be the only weapons you need.

Quote from: tekla on February 17, 2009, 11:17:54 PMAnd I only carry the knife because it's a required item according to my union rules and regulations that I have to have one, and its nice, see:
http://www.shopwiki.com/search/BUCK+870+BONES+TIGER+STRIPE
but its only because its a tool that I use at work almost every show.  On the streets, I depend on a much better weapon, my common sense.

I'm curious Tekla: why don't you carry a leatherman or a victorinox knife instead? They tend to be alot more versatile, don't they?

QuoteBut, given that, I can see where a lot of you think you need weapons.

I believe everybody should learn how to use weapons, but carrying one is another matter. Adding an extra weapon to a confrontation only makes the situation more explosive, and a day doesn't go by here that you don't hear about a murder where the victim was killed with his or her own gun. I realize that South Africa does have it's own circumstances different from that of the UK or US, for example, but I just don't think it's wise to carry one unless you are going hunting ... and shame on you if you indulge in that ... unless you're hungry.

Mina.

Rule of thumb suggested to GG's which I learned the hard way after I began transitioning. In most cases a GG is just no match against a male attacker unless both the GG and TS person in transition have both been trained in self defence.

#1 After some months on HRT muscle mass decreases so you may not fair as well in a physical confrontation.

#2 Don't go walking alone on poorly lit streets, parks and parking lots by your self after dark and few people about. Take a friend with you.

#3 If going out to a club or bar go with a friend.

#4 Going out on a date? Make sure you have a cell with you and let someone else know where you are.

#5Avoid confrontations if any way possible unless it is in self defence.

#6 Learn self defence.

There are probably more precautions that could be taken then what I have mentioned here, but these are at the top of my head. Some I have learned from experienced, I was attacked once on the main street of town after dark when the street was mostly void of people.

I am not an aggressive person and avoid confrontations but that night I count myself lucky that. #1 the guy was drunk, #2 a good heavy purse to swing at him.

That same night I had a friend who had been attacked on another street on the other side of town and this is a small town pop 16000, so it happens.

Cindy

I carry a leatherman on my tool belt, use it almost once every show, and I have a Swiss Army knife in my bag - it's wine country, you don't go anywhere without a corkscrew, really  - and both have blades that are ok for cutting cheese, apples or opening letters, but they are not real knifes when you need to do some serious cutting, and in the case of the Swiss, it does not have a true locking blade, which again, when you're really cutting you don't want the thing folding back on you.

And what I have against carrying weapons, is not that I don't like them, I'm a country girl in a lot of way, and I dig guns, and I'm pretty good with them, but its the way they change the way people think.

It's simple to me.

If you wouldn't walk down that street, or alley, or go to that place without a gun, you most likely ought to stay the hell out of there even if you have one.

If carrying a weapon changes that basic reality in your head, then you have put yourself in greater danger and are a threat to your self. 

I have a Leatherman, A Kershaw multi-tool, a Swiss Army, My old Boy Scout and a Ka Bar. I use none of them as weapons and usually carry the Swiss Army. It's the least cumbersome. The Ka Bar comes in handy for camping or out in the garden or for as mentioned, serious cutting needs like a think rope or cable etc. If I carry the Ka Bar it is in plain sight. It would be illegal otherwise.
I guess that what most of us are getting at is that carrying weapons may well cause you more harm than good. Just use your common sense and stay out of bad situations.

   I am ok without a weapon ,  never needed one in 55years and my men keep me safe. I know everone in town and everone know my man.

I've lived way out in the Iowa country side for years, I always had guns at my house.  As people in rural areas know it could be 20-30 minutes for the police to arrive in a situation.  That's a different deal.  Though I never used it for that reason, but I sure ran off a lot of coons from the trash and killed a ->-bleeped-<-load of beer cans.

But I live and work in the city, and as I've said before, I work at least part time on a really bad street on one of the worst corners in the USA and have seen three people murdered while I was outside working or being on the job.  It will change your life, and in all of those cases, they way it went down, if the other person had a weapon, it wouldn't have mattered, they never saw it coming.

@Tekla: Good point about the locking thing. That's actually almost bitten me once or twice, so yeah, maybe I should look for something else. ... though a Victorinox can't be beat for compactness.

Mina.

Quote from: tekla on February 18, 2009, 09:23:05 PM
If you wouldn't walk down that street, or alley, or go to that place without a gun, you most likely ought to stay the hell out of there even if you have one.

that's what i think.

Quote from: tekla on February 18, 2009, 09:23:05 PM
If you wouldn't walk down that street, or alley, or go to that place without a gun, you most likely ought to stay the hell out of there even if you have one.

If carrying a weapon changes that basic reality in your head, then you have put yourself in greater danger and are a threat to your self.

That should never be the case.  I currently carry a firearm, and I don't go in more dangerous places because of it.  I only carry it for my protection, and am trained to use it.  It doesn't change any reality in my head, other than the fact that if something were to happen, the odds have a better chance of being on my side.

What in the world is all this macho atmosphere doing in here, anyway?  Do I detect the scent of T?  Yes.....I own guns.  I still have them, know how to use them,  but never ever carry one.  Home protection only.

Stay out of dangerous places. 

Imagine, some day, you are confronted, and challenged by a bigot, and he makes a move on you.  Draw your sig, glock, whatever, and fire in self defense.  Let's say you were even brutalized before pulling the trigger, and there were many reliable witnesses.
So....you killed someone in self defense.  Now you should be safe, right?

You know better than that. 

Attackers could in this country, get off with a light sentence for killing you.  But you, you miserable transsexual, could spend most of the rest of your life in prison, when a normal person would walk away free, and prison would not be a good place to be outed.

Stay out of dangerous places.



Bev
still kickin'

Quote from: Miss Bev on February 23, 2009, 07:04:13 PM
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Attackers could in this country, get off with a light sentence for killing you.  But you, you miserable transsexual, could spend most of the rest of your life in prison, when a normal person would walk away free, and prison would not be a good place to be outed.

That's why I don't normally carry even though I have a permit.

Though when I go walking in rural/semi-rural areas I like to take my .22 revolver along to discourage feral dogs and other vermin.  At home I have my 12 gauge to convince 2 legged vermin to go away if necessary.  Thanks to the Deity it hasn't been.

It is foolish for any trans to risk getting arrested unless their lives are truly in danger but if that is really the case . . . I went through a few different kinds of hell to transition and save myself from dying, I won't allow anyone take my hard fought for life without at least trying to prevent it by any means available.

hugs & smiles
Emelye

I totally agree Miss Bev. I am only 5' 3" tall and 125 lbs and a lot less muscle mass then I had 10 years ago and of course 10 years older and I go where I want, when I want to, where ever I need to go to I know is safe. And for goodness sakes don't make a lot of waves to attract undo attention, unless your life is in jeopardy. 

I have not had any problems for the last 9 years living full time as Cindy. Except for once in my early transition where I had that one potentially bad experience with a drunk who accosted me in the middle of the street and tried to steal my purse. He proceeded to punch me in the eyes while trying to take my purse.

I screamed at the top on  my voice until the perpetrator left. The people in the store I had just left had already called the police. I was lucky he was to drunk to hit very hard, and I got away with my purse, two black eyes and my pride a wee mite dented but otherwise I was fine. Reminds me again my mom tellin me that the family was made of tough stuff, a girl raised on the farm with six brothers and another older sister tough as nails as well, I suppose she knew.

Lesson #1 don't go wandering down mostly deserted streets after dark.

#2 There are many other places that one should stay away from, like deserted parking lots or parks after dark.

#3 night clubs and bars, unless you have a friend or partner to escorting you.

#4 So yes, STAY AWAY FROM DANGEROUS PLACES. You are a lady not some macho tobakie chawin male. If you are true transsexual you were never a macho male anyway, or you wouldn't be here.

Cindy

I carry my weapon when I need it or I grab someone else's. Like in my Avatar. But honestly my Master said your car or house keys are enough to gouge someone's eye's out. So why carry a weapon?

This is one scary thread!