Quote from: Elwood on February 20, 2009, 07:53:02 PM
Cute, weak, submissive. That's what people assume.

not always.

I'm 5'4.  Not on T, and of all the things people assume of me weak is not one of them.  Maybe cute.  I doubt it, but I wouldn't see it as a bad thing especially if it was a cute girl thinkin it!  Submissive: Wouldn't be because of my height.  Rather it'd be just my general "eh? whatever" personality. 

I personally like being short.  Well not like I'd like to be shorter, but I don't mind the shortness I am.  Sometimes is a bit annoying when its me and a couple guys and I'm a good 7 inches shorter than all of them, luckily there are a good amount of short guys out there too so it doesn't happen often that ALL the people around me tower over me.

Plus! you can shop in the kids department!  Which is a major win for me.  I love pants with a billion pockets (for frogs and other delights of nature) and they tend to fit me better over all AND they're cheaper (usually)

I've seen bio men WITH dicks, walk like straight up super models in a fashion show. Saying bio men walk with some crazy confidence because they have dicks, is extremely ignorant. If you think your walk defines what you have between your legs, I must have a super dong, because I got more swagger in my walk than T.I. HOLLER!

Quote from: Monty on February 27, 2009, 03:38:38 PM
Elwood, I think there's quite a few of us who would like to be taller, but it's one thing about ourselves we can't change. So, the idea is to accept what we can change and what we can't.

We could be sour all we want about our height because it's not what we'd like, but that doesn't get us anywhere. Genetic guys and girls aren't automatically happy with their heights because it's not like they get to decide and we don't. Not all confidence can be gained by being taller or shorter or taking hormones or surgeries. We have to learn to be happy with ourselves, even if we dislike or hate our parts, because we're never going to be happy about ourselves unless we do. The more we accept ourselves and the things we cannot change, the more effective transition will be because it obviously doesn't cure everything as much as we'd like to believe. A lot of the insecurities you take into transition will still be there afterwards.

I can't tell you or anyone how to think about their body. That's completely up to that individual. What I will say is that when I kept thinking about the taller girls and men and dwelling on it, I was unhappy because I made it a big deal. Now instead of saying to myself, "I'm not this, I'm not this..." I'm telling myself the advantages of being shorter and I'm a lot happier because I'm dwelling on the positive. Thinking and dwelling about what I don't have, that I either can't change or wont be able to change for a long time always made me feel horrible, so I try to look on the positive side. Whether that's me being comfortable with the things I cannot change or holding onto the hope that one day I will be able to change something about myself. Inner peace is really powerful.

Well said, Monty.  Reminds me a lot of the Serenity prayer that starts something like this: "grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the courage to change the things I can; and the wisdom to know the difference."  It's something my grandmother said to me a lot when I was younger, but only now am I beginning to really understand it and (especially with transition) doing my best to live by it.

Quote from: GQjoey on March 01, 2009, 05:55:48 AM
I've seen bio men WITH dicks, walk like straight up super models in a fashion show. Saying bio men walk with some crazy confidence because they have dicks, is extremely ignorant. If you think your walk defines what you have between your legs, I must have a super dong, because I got more swagger in my walk than T.I. HOLLER!

Too right.

Quote from: Elwood on February 27, 2009, 06:56:55 PM
No, but these guys are bioguys. I don't know if they have *perfect* penises, but they have them. Men with penises walk with a confidence that men without them don't.

Elwood.. I couldn't disagree with you more?

Just because a man doesn't have a penis doesn't mean he has less confidence than a man with one.

Maybe you are talking about yourself.. and yes I couldn't argue with that.

Jay

Penis doesn't make the man. Nor does height. Confidence comes from within.

Here's a little secret: A lot of guys are extremely insecure about there penis. Many wish they had a bigger one. And the funny thing is most of their partners are happy regardless.

Hey I am so around 5'3", 5'4" ish. Always changes when someone measures me lol. But I don't care at all. Big things come in small packages eh.

I'm 5'4, and I'm not on T.
I just hate being short. 
Everybody else in my family is taller than me! I have a brother who is 9 years younger than me, but now he is taller than me.
Most of my friends are also taller...

Is it possible to become taller after going on T?  I'm new to all of this, so I was wondering...

There'd be a chance you could grow some if you got on T during puberty, before you finished growing.

I'm actually 5'4" too. The funny thing is I have friends who are taller than me but they never seem taller to me. I always seem to be looking downward at them (literally not like I'm stuck up or anything ) I guess I just stand really straight, or just feel really tall.

It's late for me... 
I'm 22...
But thanks Osiris... 

Most of my friends are taller than me, but they do not see me as shorter person... As one of them said - they like my personality, so they do not care about my height.

When exactly is the cutoff for getting taller on T? Some say 18, some say early 20s, some even say 16. Yes I know it differs, just looking for an average.

I thought it was in your teens but I found this reference from the internet..

QuoteThe height that you achieve depends on several factors: 1) The genes you inherit from your parents; 2) The age you enter puberty (when you start to develop sexually); 3) the age you have your first period (if you're a girl); and 3) your general health. If you have a chronic disease, for example, this will affect your height. Most young women achieve their full height within 12 to 18 months after their first period. (around 16 years old) Most young men tend to stop growing at the end of puberty when they begin to shave regularly. (around 18 years old)

Jay

Makes sense Jay.

I figured that you'd have to be pretty young for it to really affect your height. Mostly because women get their growth spurt at the beginning of puberty, where as men get their's at the end.

I'm 5'6...I'm short compared to the company I keep, though my bf is 5'10 (so it's not -THAT- big of a difference).

Personally, I used to -hate- being short and in some ways I do hate not being a few inches taller, but I've finally surrounded myself with people who don't care---who think that being short is cute and puts me at an advantage. I feel special for being short around them, not awkward.

Out in public? I could care less...there's tons of bio guys that are short. My only problems have been with girls who are very put off by a guy not being over 6ft. But that's their loss---not all think that way, and I'm more into guys anyway (and the guys I like, like someone shorter than them so it all works out).

Of course my opinion would probably be different if I was any shorter than I am. But, honestly, you just have to accept it. It sucks. But bio guys are short too and they deal with it. Getting 'short man syndrome' isn't appealing and makes you just look like you're compensating. If you can't joke at your own shortcomings, you're going to lead a life full of conflict with those around you.

The penis issue? Well...that's another can of worms and not so easy to just 'lol' about. =\

Quote from: Osiris on March 12, 2009, 09:00:52 PM
Penis doesn't make the man. Nor does height. Confidence comes from within.

Here's a little secret: A lot of guys are extremely insecure about there penis. Many wish they had a bigger one. And the funny thing is most of their partners are happy regardless.

Heh. This is a good point - if you don't have a dick, you can't be insecure about dick size!

I guess FTMs don't learn to be obsessed about the penis size thing like bioguys do. I can honestly say it doesn't bother me a bit that I don't have one.

I can't get the quote to insert, but this is regarding what Jay put on here about females hitting maximum height 12-18 months after their first period:

Yeah... that's not exactly right. If it was, I would have reached my adult height at 11 or 12... and I'd be 5'2" now. As it is, I reached 5'4" by 15, and was 5'5" at 18, when I graduated high school. Sometime between 18 and 20, I hit 5'6"... and yes, I'm certain, because I've been measured with the same apparatus since birth. My feet also grew a half size from 18 to 20, then about a size and a half at 25, without the influence of T. I believe the general rule is that the cap for growing in females is 20, in males 25. Not quite certain how that affects female-bodied folk who go on testosterone, but I have a friend who's ftm, went on T at 20, and grew an inch and a half taller.

I'm betting it just has to do with genetics, and quite a bit of chance; however, I doubt that past 20 you'd see any significant gains in height from T. I started at 25, and didn't get even a millimeter taller. But, as many people have said, height doesn't make the man... and a penis CERTAINLY doesn't. There's a reason men don't go around waving their penises through the crotches of their pants... it's just not that pertinent (not to mention that would be more than a little scary). Go to that penis pictures link that someone posted, and read the guys' comments about their own packages. There are guys with 8 inches who say either that they think they're too small, or that women are afraid to sleep with them because they're too big, while guys with 4 inches say they've never had a complaint. The only thing a penis is important for is sex, and god knows there are plenty of quite worthy substitutes on websites and in adult stores.

Someone said this before, but I've used it quite a bit in the past: I don't mind that I don't have a penis. That just means I can pick my size, and if I want, I'll always have a bigger one than any guy around me. But I don't pack. The only person who will ever see what's in my pants is my wife, and she doesn't mind that it's not a penis. Guys here who are focusing on what they lack instead of what they have... get a new focus.

SD