I had this idea that androgynes are particulalry spiritual beings and as such would often be into religion, but I think in reality we are prone to be being a bit more weary of religion than the common shmo and perhaps embracing a more spiritual essence rather than a religious bent or maybe none at all.

I was raised to be a catholic and stopped personally believing when I was about 14. Since then I have felt a spirituality of sorts, along the lines of animism (not animalism  ). Now days I concentrate on food being good for the soul and being a parent and this gives life a very different meaning for me. Yet I still feel a capability to be very spiritual, I just don't think about it anymore. I get my spiritual needs meet by simply living life.

Do you feel a connection between being androgyne and your spiritual self? i.e. is is a spiritual thing for you? Do you follow a religion? Any other comments relating to religion and androgyne gender?

I don't feel like my spirituality has anything to do with my gender, yet in some ways I find myself seeking that harmonising/leading/counselling role such as transgenders in native american tradition.


I find it easy to imagine a divine being that is not male or female, they would simply be the reflection of myself.
God made adam as an aspect of his image. God made me as a reflection of hir self  (I don't believe that, just putting it out there for thought and it sounded poetic to my inner ear )

I believe that God made me the way I am, and gave me specific spiritual responsibilities concerning my condition for a reason.  Does that count?

I've spent a lot of energy thinking about god, since it seems to be a very important thing for people.

I, personally, don't really care. If god wants something from me, he would tell me. If there is or not a god is irrelevant, we're still stuck here.
There might or might not be an other life, then making this life better for everybody is my top priority. This life suck because the great majority still believes there's something "out there" instead of focusing on what's happening "right here".

Finally, god is everything of everything. There can't be god if there's no thing, because if there was nothing, who was phone ?

For many years I tried really hard to believe in god. Eventually, though, my quest for mainstream religion petered out, partly because I just couldn't make myself believe that it was true, and partly because I kept running up against a small-minded god with the same petty grievances and prejudices and insecurities as people. I was somehow hoping that "god" was above all that.

Not willing to totally give up, I then spent the next several years pursuing a more "spiritual" path. You know, one that was more people-friendly and inclusive. But I still had issues with basing my world view on any belief system that relied on fantastical stories that totally defied logic, as well as the laws of physics.

Ironically, my lifelong quest for spiritual meaning eventually led me to atheism. I used to think that I had to believe in some kind of metaphysical reality in order to truly experience the magic of life, but alas, I've found that for me, approaching the world around me from an inquisitive scientific perspective has opened up a whole world of magic for me that I never would have imagined when I was trying to find meaning through various religious venues.

I don't mean to offended anyone who adheres to traditional religion, but that's basically how the whole religion thing has panned out for me.

 

I think I am a spiritual person, but not from the sit in the pews every time church is open perspective. I do believe in God, and I believe that he wants me to follow His word and be a good person.

For me, acts of charity/kindness trump throwing money in the plate on sunday, so (for example) instead of giving solely to the church 1/2 of what I give goes to the local food bank, since that actually feeds people. Actions instead of gestures.

I've seen too much evidence of God in my own life to simply dismiss Him as some abstract thing, although I won't lay out examples of that here.

I consider myself a spiritual person. I'm not sure this is because of gender choice or what. But understand has been a life long quest that began with catholicism ( to much guilt and suffering) then to buddism and zen ( to much contemplation ans self sacrifice) then Transendental meditation ( a very helpfull tool ) and now Spiritual Humanism ( believing in mandkind and its inate goodness and trusting people and science to solve the worlds problems http://www.spiritualhumanism.org/map.htm

Quote from: Nicky on March 23, 2009, 10:11:07 PM
Do you feel a connection between being androgyne and your spiritual self? i.e. is is a spiritual thing for you? Do you follow a religion? Any other comments relating to religion and androgyne gender?

For me, there isn't a connection between my gender identity and religious identity or practice. I was raised Catholic, but was never confirmed. This was back in the days when first communion was done before confirmation. I became agnostic for most of my high school years before joining a United Church of Christ (UCC) congregation in 1988.

In my twenties I became largely agnostic again, followed by a re-interest in Christianity as I neared 30. From there it was into Paganism (primarily Wicca, but I was also introduced to Asatru around this time) and then Soto Zen Buddhism.

My personal religion these days is an amalgamation of of these, and I call myself a Buddhistic Christo-Pagan. Lately, I've been attending a Unitarian Universalist church.

I am spiritual more then religious.  My Faith is more important and more comprenhisive then anything I've been told in church although I've herd things said by priests & Bishops that lined up with what I already understood.  but sometimes things they say go against my beliefs so I through those idears out the window if it doesn't fit my beliefs of an all loving multi gendered god sometimes I feel god is leading me toward my transationing as if it's part of gods plan for me to shake things up a bit.
Where as the church has its own idears of what I'm suposed to conform to then again the church has kicked many people out only to later make them saints and thats how its been since Long before Jesus. btw i'm tecnickly catholic

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on March 24, 2009, 10:01:26 AM
I was raised Catholic, but was never confirmed. This was back in the days when first communion was done before confirmation.

Did they change it? Weird. I remember being confirmed was like becoming an 'adult' in the church. I was confirmed. Sometimes I feel tainted by it but I don't know why. My wife teases me that I am still a catholic whether I like it or not becuase I have been marked as one of them. It did not mean a lot to me except you get your own confirmation name, mine was Edwood. I choose it because my uncle was called Eddie and I liked Mr Ed the talking horse. I guess this is as good a reason as any  .

Apparently, the way it's done now (or so I'm told) is that confirmation is done before first communion, because only confirmed Catholics are elligible for communion.

makes sense I guess, if any of that symbolistic canabilism makes any sense. I always thought the waffers would be good in icecream.

Quote from: Nicky on March 24, 2009, 02:32:07 PM
It did not mean a lot to me except you get your own confirmation name, mine was Edwood. I choose it because my uncle was called Eddie and I liked Mr Ed the talking horse. I guess this is as good a reason as any  .

I'm not exactly sure what confirmation is (even though I was baptized Catholic when I was a baby), but Ed Wood is certainly a cool name. 

I never even thought of that! Thanks.

Coincidence.....?   

probably not 

If you are interested in confirmation...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation

Well, I'm not planning on running out and getting confirmed any time in the near future , but thanks for the link. I may not be particularly religious, but I do like to learn about it.

I also like some of the paraphernalia. I still have my rosary from when I was a kid (and things were nicely made). I've always thought one of these would be cool too. Not so much because I'm into patron Saints or anything, but because it is now widely believed that Joan of Arc was probably transgendered. I guess the irony that the inquisition barbecued her for cross dressing probably plays some part in the fascination for me too.

Oh yeah, I also have an androgyne Jesus card. 

 

That is awsome! Everyone should have an androgyne Jesus card  

I'm rather fond of the rosary, I like the design of it that invites you to fiddle with the beads. As a meditational device I think they are facinating.

Yeah, I like my nice rosary and I can see where it would be useful for that purpose.

I also have a cheap blue plastic rosary. It's not much of a keepsake, nor would it be very gratifying to fiddle with. I'm not really sure what its purpose is, unless it was like mass-produced to be handed out at the end of the world party or something.

the church of the androgyne jesus 

Quote from: Nicky on March 23, 2009, 10:11:07 PM
I had this idea that androgynes are particulalry spiritual beings and as such would often be into religion, but I think in reality we are prone to be being a bit more weary of religion than the common shmo and perhaps embracing a more spiritual essence rather than a religious bent or maybe none at all.

I was raised to be a catholic and stopped personally believing when I was about 14. Since then I have felt a spirituality of sorts, along the lines of animism (not animalism  ). Now days I concentrate on food being good for the soul and being a parent and this gives life a very different meaning for me. Yet I still feel a capability to be very spiritual, I just don't think about it anymore. I get my spiritual needs meet by simply living life.

Do you feel a connection between being androgyne and your spiritual self? i.e. is is a spiritual thing for you? Do you follow a religion? Any other comments relating to religion and androgyne gender?

I don't feel like my spirituality has anything to do with my gender, yet in some ways I find myself seeking that harmonising/leading/counselling role such as transgenders in native american tradition.


I find it easy to imagine a divine being that is not male or female, they would simply be the reflection of myself.
God made adam as an aspect of his image. God made me as a reflection of hir self  (I don't believe that, just putting it out there for thought and it sounded poetic to my inner ear )

Hi, I do follow Islam but should do more really.

Fully agree with the spiritual side, have zero worries about being transgendered and Muslim whatever anyone says. Sure, God made us the way we are for a reason and IMO we should make the most of it both for ourselves and for others.

We also have our version of the "Rosary" called "Tasbih"... Although personally I don't use one but count on my fingers traditional style, three times on each finger etc. One recites "Subhan'Allah" (Praise be to God) 33 times, "Alhamdulillah" (Thanks be to God) 33 times and "Allahu Akbar" (God is Great) 33 times...

God is way beyond being Male or Female...