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Started by Annwyn, May 01, 2009, 02:05:14 AM

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FairyGirl

Quote from: Annwyn on May 01, 2009, 12:37:23 PM
I don't care about the skin color of any man.  Christ, it's a reference to his political IQ, not about his skin color.  I really get sick of people claling me a racist simply because I'm southern, when if anyone will follow my blogs the only people I've been dating are well, BLACK men.  Christ.

do you mean Christ was a black man or that you're dating him?  :P lol no offense hon, I'm a proud Southerner myself (and didn't know that you were too). It's just that I've seen that very word used to describe and denigrate African-Americans, and while I understand that you didn't mean it that way, it could be taken that way and has been in the past. I know I know, political correctness and all that, but sometimes it is useful.  :laugh:
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tekla

I'd rather have someone who is honest, and tells us where he's going, and sticks to it, than a liar with a silver tongue

Umm, that was Jimmy Carter, and we all know how well that turned out. And, in retrospect, Jimmy was right, and Regan was wrong to dismantle all the energy stuff that Carter got rolling.  We'd be a hell of a lot better off had we pursued that course since the 70s.

And I sure hope that medical school you're going to is not a STATE school.  And that the highways you ride on are private highways and not state funded projects.  And really, really stay off the freeways, them thangs are Federal Gub'ment projects, lock, stock and barrel.

Those diets you talk about, that's more or less a regional deal.  And for sure that classic 'cookin with lard' Southern Cuisine is just a big old heart attack on a plate looking up at 'cha.  But its not everyone in the country.  Half the people I work with are veggies, and of them, 30% are vegan.  So, I don't think its them. On a nice Saturday or Sunday afternoon the trails through Annendale are so packed with trail bikes (the pedal kind) that they are going to need traffic lights soon.  No matter what time of day I'm out riding around I see other people riding, walking, running - so again, its not everywhere.

And it's not just Obama, nor even Bush.  State governments, republican and democratic states alike are in big financial trouble.  Local counties and cities are also having huge budget issues from coast to coast, so it's not just a Federal problem.

When companies that have been in business for over a hundred years are failing that would seem to indicate a more systematic problem. One that is not just an issue of debt load.

Nor is it just an American problem.  Its worldwide.  Something is very wrong on a fundamental level.

Are these people going to solve it?  I doubt it.  Not because they are not going to try, or because the solutions they implement are wrong in some political sense, but because the problem is so deep that band-aid solutions will not solve the massive at the core issues.

At root - and I have no idea of how they will work it out - the system just got too big to be stable any longer.  It's not that Obama can't fix or control it, or that Bush couldn't do it either - but that I don't think anyone can.

On a micro level, there was a band.  Phish.  Kind of a dumb name, and not all that good, but they were doing OK.  They were selling out shows, making money, working.  But it got bigger, and bigger, and bigger.  By the end they were selling out 3 day festivals that featured them, and pretty much only them.  And then it all fell apart on them.  Did they get tired of being big rock stars?  No.  Did they say 'hey, we've got enough money now, let's quit?"  Not likely.  What happened was it just got too big for them to run.  It took all their time planning and doing logistics for these huge events, it was just one headache after the other.  In the end (or by the end) putting on these shows had become such a huge deal that the music (the reason they were doing it in the first place) became lost in all that.  They had pretty much stopped being a band and had become planners, and that's not what they wanted to do.

On the macro level, all the finance, all the economics, the banking, stocks, bonds and all has lost any relevance at all to what it was originally intended to do.  So enamored in the process, they lost sight of the product and the reason.

So too with Iraq.  So enamored with the process of war, they lost sight - if they ever had it, and I don't think they did - of what the goals really were.
After the Tet Offensive, LBJ got an old Washington hand, Clark Clifford to come in and try to do something to run things.  Clifford called all the generals in and asked them some pretty obvious questions.

How many more men were needed?
Would that number do the job?
Could the enemy respond in kind?
Could bombing by itself stop the war?
How can we win?
How long will it take?

When there was no agreement on the answers, and in particular as Clifford noted in his memoirs: "Not only was there no agreement, I could find no one willing to express any confidence in their guesses."*

And not only is that Iraq today, its the economy too.  Not just the Federal one, but just about every state and city.  And most Western nations too.

As Clifford found out, there is no agreement, nor any confidence in the guesses.



*You can read Clifford's own writing on it here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=tGvq4ORMMzoC&pg=PA111&lpg=PA111&dq=clark+clifford+vietnam+questions+to+generals&source=bl&ots=EqzR-7_7M_&sig=McACc-x48Ducdph5FsVhI6o4_68&hl=en&ei=kjj7SbrqDpDutQOkp_3XAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPA113,M1




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imaz

Quote from: KelarDrioktain on May 01, 2009, 11:48:22 AM
I hardly think that the monkey statement was referring to "any black man".. more so the one presently in charge of the country.

And that makes it any better? Still remains a racist statement...
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lisagurl

QuoteAs always in discussing politics that are undeniably close to us all, tempers seem to get a little flaired

This thread was started to promote arguments. It is the author's style. Check out the history.
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tekla

The American political system is the art of confrontation.  Always has been.

On a lighter note, I can't wait to see Annwyn there at customs in Canada telling them she's escaping the US because of socialism.  The customs people are going to wet their pants laughing at her.
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daisybelle

Quote from: tekla on May 01, 2009, 03:38:04 PM
The American political system is the art of confrontation.  Always has been.

On a lighter note, I can't wait to see Annwyn there at customs in Canada telling them she's escaping the US because of socialism.  The customs people are going to wet their pants laughing at her.

Probably not wise to head south either...
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NicholeW.

Quote from: daisybelle on May 01, 2009, 03:53:13 PM
Probably not wise to head south either...

I didn't think Venezuela or Bolivia had a border with the USA. O good grief. The things we think of as "so-cal-ism" :laugh:

Let's get a grip folks. Part of reading and listening too much to that lot I mentioned in my first post is that this talk of "Corporate fascism through Socialism" they are coming with is just propaganda for the shills.

That way the shills will be thinking that some very lenient and meager "regulations" as currently proposed are "so-cal-ism." (And of course Rick Parry is gonna hep Texas suck-seed fum  the newnited states) Y'all will believe that so when they start their corporate nationalist agenda up again y'all gonna be even more inclined to think it's a dimo-cratic revulushun than most of y'all are now! And that seems ta be pretty willin'.

Nichole


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imaz

Fascism can be defined as Corporate Nationalism - Benito Mussolini

'Nuff said.
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Annwyn

Tekla once again has earned my silence in awe of her statement.

Guess there's not anything more that I can say.
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tekla

Awe honey, just today Nichole and I were PMing about how much we like you, despite (or perhaps even because of) what you say.  You rant on this post about people being irresponsible and have another post running asking "how can I get away with being irresponsible."  It's kind of cute in its own way.

As Ralph Waldo Emerson said (and both Nichole and myself are big fans of the Transcendental Vision, at least in Lit): "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."

Its a huge problem, one that was not caused by us or them, but by all of us.  Its not for one person to solve, ain't gonna happen in 100 days either.  It may well be a long, long, long, long way to get home, if we can even get back to that home again.  And I don't think we can.

But that's another post.
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V M

Quote from: Sarah Louise on May 01, 2009, 12:46:46 PM
Take it down a notch Annwyn, lets try to keep things friendly here.

Sarah L.
You said Annwyn and friendly in the same sentence  :laugh: >:-) :laugh:
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Dennis

Quote from: Annwyn on May 01, 2009, 02:05:14 AM

Who am I even kidding?  Any of you Canadians want a roommate?

You'd hate it here worse. We're very into preventative medicine, socialized medicine, peacemaking, and no firearms. I think your guy is a step in the right direction, although the culture may be irredeemable. At least he's trying.

Dennis
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tekla

although the culture may be irredeemable

Awe hell Dennis, that's the best part of our culture(s).  We're pretty much irredeemable ourselves.  Damn proud of it too.
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V M

I'm just wondering, If Annwyn does go to the Canadian border. Can I film it?  :laugh: >:-) :laugh:
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

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cindybc

If Anwyn moves to BC, I'm a movin to Newfoundland.

Cindy
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V M

Ooohhh now, have some patients and understanding for the lassie  :laugh:
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

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imaz

Quote from: Virginia Marie on May 02, 2009, 02:48:02 AM
Ooohhh now, have some patients and understanding for the lassie  :laugh:

What does she need patients for? I know she works in a pharmacy but she's not a doctor! ;D
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V M

OK, maybe just understanding of impetuous youth  :laugh:
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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Annwyn

Quote from: tekla on May 01, 2009, 11:58:10 PM
Awe honey, just today Nichole and I were PMing about how much we like you, despite (or perhaps even because of) what you say.  You rant on this post about people being irresponsible and have another post running asking "how can I get away with being irresponsible."  It's kind of cute in its own way.

That's pretty messed up, holding a one time thing where I attempt to squeeze out some well earned off time and have to take drastic measures to do so.

QuoteIt may well be a long, long, long, long way to get home, if we can even get back to that home again.  And I don't think we can.

But that's another post.

I'm quite inclined to agree.

If I thought there was still really hope, then I wouldn't have said I'm ashamed to be an American.  Fact is, I really am.


Quote from: Dennis on May 02, 2009, 12:36:09 AM
You'd hate it here worse. We're very into preventative medicine, socialized medicine, peacemaking, and no firearms. I think your guy is a step in the right direction, although the culture may be irredeemable. At least he's trying.

Dennis

Won't do crap.  Besides I'm sure I'm fine with no guns as long as I still have motorcycles.

Quote from: cindybc on May 02, 2009, 02:28:13 AM
If Anwyn moves to BC, I'm a movin to Newfoundland.

Cindy


Just be sure not to forget your wigs.

Quote from: Virginia MarieI'm just wondering, If Annwyn does go to the Canadian border. Can I film it?
Bite me.



Obama is still a screwup.

Whether that's relevant in the slightest is another issue I suppose.

Post Merge: May 02, 2009, 10:15:45 AM

Quote from: imaz on May 02, 2009, 03:16:58 AM
What does she need patients for? I know she works in a pharmacy but she's not a doctor! ;D

Yet.
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gennee

It's time for all Americans to take charge of their lives and show the power elite that we've had enough. Form grassroots organizations which will speak to your concerns. I'm a veteran myself and vets are treated like crap.

I agree with the saying 'what can I can do for my country' because I am involved with projects that will help others.


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