Uhhh..

First.. Paulina! I never had make up in the pictures, actually I never had make up.
But you're right! it isn't the cloths and make up that need to decide, the face alone needs to be the thing!

I want a female face, period. I want to be seen as a female by everyone even without make up.

My forehead/brow is that bad? I always felt it is disturbing but wow..

Jocelyn! yes, it is about how I feel! I feel I can't read my own face as a girl most of the time.. it's similar.. but I see too much of a guy.
Apparently, people at the mall think the same! they refer as to a guy.. grr while wearing cloths like the black shirts pictures which are not "manly cloths".

I *COMPLETELY* fear going out with girl cloths and then someone would look at my face and think "what!!"
No! I don't want that! I can't live with myself if people see me as a guy.. stupid y chromosome @@..

Jocelyn - where did you get the virtual FFS from?

Are my eyes small because of the brow only? or..most people say my lips and eyes are very feminine so I am curious what others have to say about the lips and eyes.

I wonder how I can get money for the FFS ^^ need to start saving!

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Post Merge: April 27, 2009, 11:04:52 PM

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Oh and about bangs!
Everyone is saying that.. so my forehead is probably that bad ^^

I don't like that hairstyle much and it is completely against my senses and wishes!

I think FFS open the door to a lot of hairstyles without being they "needed" to hide something. I like bangs, I have always used them since HS.

Ok, I rechecked your pics and my comments. Indeed your most feminine (and pretty) features are your lips and your eyes.

But with your eyes, your brow "hood" them and made them look heavy lidded and deep. And I was commenting about them being small because normally when you get FFS (depending on the surgeon) when they work on the brow the resulting effects "opens" the eyes.


I do think FFS its a good option. For some its a must if they want to avoid harassment and looking odd (some girls can have extreme male features) for others its most about being comfortable looking in the mirror.

I dont "need" FFS but I want it. And with that to get rid of those pesky and annoying things in my face that sometimes made me feel so ugly and that I look like a boy >.<

Hi Myself,

Its hard to tell from your photos as any good FFS surgeon will want side ways on and 45 degree left / right oblique photos to make a full assessment.

From what I can tell from the frontal photos, you have many typical Male markers, that could be feminized by FFS.

I agree about the hair, the forehead is very long and either bangs or a scalp advance will bring the hairline forward, which will help. You do appear to have some degree of forehead bossing and also orbital rim which may require removal and revision. The level of this is hard to see from the photos.

An eyebrow lift would also help (but wait until these are plucked and shaped first)

Your chin and jaw are not overly male, but could do with some work such as sliding genioplasty and chin reshaping.

Your nose is something I kept coming back to as it is quite wide and imho could do with feminization, through Septorhinoplasty by making thinner and slightly turned upward and yes a lip roll / lift would help.

You have good starting material, so please dont think I am being to critical, you will be a pretty girl.

Buffy

http://www.virtualffs.co.uk/ is the site for virtual FFS.

I never see my face as a girl's either and that is the problem.

Quote from: Sebastien on April 27, 2009, 07:47:40 PM

...By the way, those lips are beautiful!

Wow, yes! NOT FAIR!!!

I think... Nose and eyebrows only will do the trick!

You look fine IMHO

They have a university in Huddersfield?

Compared to what I used to look before FFS, you look fine but since you asked, I'll be honest.

-Brow bossing reduction
-Rhinoplasty
-Scalp advance with forehead reconstruction
-Sliding genioplasty (chin recontouring)
-Don't see any Adam's apple in your piccies but if you've got one, you might as well get rid of it.

Well as one old girl who has NOT had FFS, you could get by without it.  Passing like others have said is so much more then just looking like a girl.  If you look like a girl but act like a Guy, your going to be read as a guy. Period. or a guy in drag.

There are hundreds even thousands of little things that can give you away, that "Tell" others who you are.  It takes a lot of time and practice to get things right.  After 2-1/2 years I still blow it now and then. 

OH yes shape the brows a bit,  Arch them higher from below.  Do a little at a time over days and weeks at first, till you get them right.    Makeup is every girls friend too. A little goes a long way.

That and working on blending into life, IE don't standout by dressing different from the other woman around you.

Quote from: Janet Lynn on April 27, 2009, 12:11:16 PMTwo things I see.  Brow bossing could be smoother, and the chin could be smaller.  Thin and shape the eyebrows.  But the brow bossing can be covered by your hair.  As in the first picture.

Chin and browbossing, yes. And some of it can be hidden by tricks. I use my hair to cover what little brow-bossing I have (which ain't much, but still noticeable to me).

QuoteAnd always smile, it really changes your face.

Definitely. It makes your cheeks fuller and the lower part of face look smaller -- which is more feminine.

if you are serious about getting your ffs, theres a website where you send in your pictures and the person running the site uses photoshop to kinda simulate a general idea of what your face would look like after ffs, there is a price however :S

http://virtualffs.co.uk/

AWWWW! The pic with your friend was adorable.

I'm sorry if someone mentioned this as I didn't read every reply but....perhaps at your age and being on hrt already for that time your regimen is a little weak or lacks spiro etc.....because I would expect to see more changes.

Quote from: aubrey on May 04, 2009, 03:31:31 AM
AWWWW! The pic with your friend was adorable.

I'm sorry if someone mentioned this as I didn't read every reply but....perhaps at your age and being on hrt already for that time your regimen is a little weak or lacks spiro etc.....because I would expect to see more changes.

I dunno :X
I don't have spiro.. they gave me the other thing.. but the testosterone returned about 45 isn't it supposed to be good?

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Post Merge: May 04, 2009, 02:55:28 AM

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I think it was 45 ng/ml

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Post Merge: May 10, 2009, 11:18:06 AM

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Hello!

I was asked to put profile views.. I finally made them and here they are + some more!
No for weak hearted people or pregnant women! :X

There are things which hormone can't do anymore and which you'll have to revert to Facial Feminization Surgery

Advice:
Forehead / brow ridge contouring / brow lift surgery
+ Scalp advancement surgery

Jaw contouring
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Chin contouring

I have found that taking care of your  body ie: working out with light weights and cardio (treadmill  or eliptical) and doing it  on a regular basis,  especially diet will  help in giving you that "edge" not only with  making your physical appearance more fem looking, but  will increase your endorphins and help with your serotonin levels.  It will help alot with your mental attitude and hormonal ups and downs.  I recently had FFS done by the predominant FFS surgeon in San Francisco, CA just 6wks ago.  Imo, you  will  not need and fillers in your lips as they are nice and full..Upper Lip reduction cost me  $2500., you  will  prob need a chin implant..I have a titanium  implant.  Chin along with jawline feminiation ran me $10,000.  You will  imo will need scalp advancement, which  cost me $3500. they will  ususally  do  a forehead lift along with it, but because  you are younger, you may not  need it.  Doesnt even look like you need a Tracheal Shave, as you  dont have any noticable Adam's apple. You might want to considerr Rhinoplasty tho to help feminize the nose. That  cost me $6,000.  You will not need lower or upper eyelid  surgery either, because you have great tightness and no loose skin.  Might want to have the browline done as well.  I know it is a costly procedure having FFS, but the results  are so  rewarding.  I had to have alot of  work done, but  i am kind of a  perfectionist with  myself. I  had two seperate OR days..one on the 6th of May to do all soft tissue work and alittle  lipo on the abs and luv  handle areas 4hrs total in the OR and then  next day on the  7th at 7:30  went under for  just over 10hrs for all the  bone work and  rinoplasty.  I was there for a total of  11 days.  If you were to go  with the same Dr. i  did with what i  said it would cost you around $23, 000.  I spent $53,000, but i needed the  trach shave, forehead lift and under eye surgery, and lipo, which i  do not  think  you need.  If you truely feel that you are TS,  i  would  first seek  out  a  qualified  therapist that  is  experienced with TS/TG and if indeed you are or are sure to go ahead with this, i would see an endo or dr that has experience  with  MTF hormones.  I have  been on  female hormones for a yr now and that along greatly help with femnization,even without having any physical surgeries done, but seek out a qualified hormone dr or endo.  Btw,  please do not take what i say as a drs advice.  I am just suggesting what i have gone through to  get where i  am at today.  I am  in the  process  of  legal name change now, have  scheduled a consult  on cohesive  implants, and am  doing research  on  SRS Dr.   Best thing is to  do lots  of searching on the internet,  talking wih other  Ts's and  using sound  judgement that is  rational  and  well  thought out.  Good luck huh...you'll be ok..0x

Lurking on the female forum. . . what can I say?

You're rather pretty in the last pic. Doesn't look like you need anything done there.

SilverFang

I think you look good -- I thought I mentioned that -- and, looking at your avatar, you plucked your eye brows, which makes a huge difference! I think that was the only thing I was going to mention before.

the eyebrows are a huge thing yeah.

Also, I know this thread is super old :] but Maybe some more creative hairstyles would help you a lot.  Have you ever straightened your hair to see what it would look like?

Actually I like curly hair better, everyone says it fits better on me too.
I did try straightening it.

My profile picture is when I had extremely messy hair again @@.. a friend just wanted to take photos of me for some weird reason!

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Post Merge: August 15, 2009, 02:47:07 PM

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omg just saw those pictures above again.. I just look awful O_o my ears aren't really that huge! :O I hope ;-;

Haha

Funny what a couple months can do huh :]

the weird hair in the pictures was because we tied it especially so we can send it for someone to give suggestions for surgery.. so obviously, it made me look much much uglier than I feel anyways @@..

I consulted Dr O.. something.. and he suggests jaw, chin, nose, forehead reconstruction and scalp reduction surgeries..
I'd love to have it! but 40,000$.. how am I ever going to afford it.. and I really hope I will look girly after that.

People see my pictures and say I look girly already, but I still don't see it in the mirror. and even with full make up, apparently I am still not good enough ;-;