Quote from: imaz on April 28, 2009, 07:36:17 PM
OK, just my opinion but I love their eyes. Very wistful and romantic, may be it's what they've been through, maybe it's something else, but their eyes are so beautiful

I too find most MTF have very intense eyes.  I've heard the eyes are feminized by hormones, so maybe it has something to do with the bones around the eyes together with the "brightness" of a female's eyes.  Then again, I've seen this in tgirls that transitioned in early or mid teens.  It's interesting...

Moving beyond physical qualities, I find FTMs and MTFs alike have wonderful personalities.  I think they (I guess I should say we) have to endure more intolerance than perhaps any other group in today's world, certainly for something that doesn't hurt others.  That which doesn't kill us only makes us wiser and stronger, and one must really grow emotionally to get through all this to the other side.  That includes looking in the mirror sometimes to see how we may be intolerant of others without even knowing it.

Not to mention... trans people have the unique ability to truly understand what people of the other gender deal with, the good and the bad, and that lends itself to empathy and sympathy that a cisgendered person could never know or experience.

I don't know about the eyes thing, but I do know that trans women really appreciate their femininity.  GGs take it for granted as they know nothing besides being able to express it.   I think trans women have a grateful attitude for all of the experiences that come their way.

Kristi

Quote from: Nero on April 28, 2009, 09:05:53 PM
Another thing  (and I'm going to get shot for this) - the femininity of some (I recognize not all you gals are feminine or want to be). Most women get to express themselves their entire lives and then you get some transsexual women who have this huge well of femininity that's been locked up forever. And if you're lucky enough to get close to them, it just starts pouring out around you. That's a very beautiful thing.

Not shot by me, hon.
And yes, that's what people have told me.

I am shocked sometimes when I look at myself from the outside now -- I guess I smothered my feminine flame all my life to appear andro (couldn't really get into "masculine" territory even when I tried) --now I glow without trying and sometimes I get disoriented when I see myself and remember simultaneously who I was before, it's very very jarring mentally and I have to let the old memories slip away again before it stunts me.

I have no doubts about where I am when I just "let myself go" and act natural.

I think transwomen also are very aware of what it cost them to make the shift and thus don't take things for granted.

Quote from: Kristi on April 30, 2009, 10:26:37 PM
I don't know about the eyes thing, but I do know that trans women really appreciate their femininity.  GGs take it for granted as they know nothing besides being able to express it.   I think trans women have a grateful attitude for all of the experiences that come their way.

Kristi

So true true, Kristi I absolutely agree, GGs do take it for granted and as Nero says ''this huge well of femininity thats been locked up forever. And if your lucky enough to get close to them, it just starts pouring out around you. That's a very beautiful thing.''
It is very beautiful, I went thru transition young, I was lucky, I love being a girl, I love doing girly things, I love shoes, I love shopping, I love when a guy looks at me in ''that way'' my feminine flame is glowing, but I don't take it for granted, Im just a girl and its beautiful blushing!
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Quote from: Cami on April 28, 2009, 08:19:08 PM
Their openness and acceptance. I went to a support group for transgendered people last weekend and I can honestly say I have never met a more compassionate and friendly group of people in my life.

There's something about being openly Transsexual - perhaps it's simply that one has to shed a lot of that dishonesty, that history - it forces you to be yourself in a way that few other people do.

Quote from: Inanna on April 30, 2009, 08:15:17 PM
Not to mention... trans people have the unique ability to truly understand what people of the other gender deal with, the good and the bad, and that lends itself to empathy and sympathy that a cisgendered person could never know or experience.

You've obviously not seen some of the sites around the netz where this is NOT true. No one, it seems, can show any less "empathy and sympathy" about gendering than MTF transsexuals. Just my opinion, but a lot of this comes from unresolved angst about being "real."

Nichole

I agree with Nichole, I've seen some of the worst human examples of understanding, empathy and sympathy from some trans persons too.  They have no unique insight.  Perhaps the exact opposite.

Quote from: tekla on May 05, 2009, 01:14:15 PM
I agree with Nichole, I've seen some of the worst human examples of understanding, empathy and sympathy from some trans persons too.  They have no unique insight.  Perhaps the exact opposite.

I think the thing to recall here is that all of us are pretty much unique. For every woman who has some "understanding" and is willing to find "compassion" there are ten who are more concerned about how people see them and what party line to take to "fit in."

Nope, not very many "unique insights," but a helluva lot of vicious name calling and trying to define "who's real (like me) and who's unreal."

Makes for some pretty nasty and vicious set-tos and they happen regularly. The term "->-bleeped-<-r than thou" comes readily to mind.

N~

I'm real.  Really real.  And damn hungry for some fine, fine Mexican food here on Drinko Cinco de Mayo - which, for those who don't know, is a California type Mexican holiday to celebrate my birthday.  But I'm just going to take it easy this year, next year I'll turn 55, and since I was born on 5-5-55, I thought I'd do a huge party next year.

very discordian

Quote from: Nichole on May 05, 2009, 01:12:22 PM
You've obviously not seen some of the sites around the netz where this is NOT true. No one, it seems, can show any less "empathy and sympathy" about gendering than MTF transsexuals. Just my opinion, but a lot of this comes from unresolved angst about being "real."

Nichole

Well said Nichole, it was about time someone had the guts to say it. With you all the way on that.

What I think is beautiful in any person is what I think is the most beautiful in those mtf's I do find beautiful.
Their spirit. Their character. Their smiles.

You need to get out more.  I've known a few who are the best party girls I've ever met.  Others, the worse, and most miserable people I've ever met.  It ain't about being trans.

Quote from: imaz on April 29, 2009, 11:47:01 AM
Unfortunately we are on different sides of the ocean... Me here in Europe and you in The Empire of Evil, sorry, I meant to say the USA!!!

You rock imaz!

Trust me, there are some of us who happened to be born in the EoE that are doing whatever we can to change our image in the world. I am not happy about what has been done in our name the past 8 years.

Many who have lived through adversity, not just M2F TS, emanate a sense of quiet strength of being who they are. That is beautiful.

Z

There's is nothing special about a MtF or a FtM transsexual's personality attributes that separates them uniquely from anyone in the general populace besides that they used or still have contrasting genitalia.

This thread is stupid.

.This thread is stupid.

And its only objectifying transpersons, we're real people you know, we're not just whatever thing you find 'hot' 'cool' or 'sexy'.

Quote from: tekla on May 08, 2009, 02:46:14 PM
.This thread is stupid.

And its only objectifying transpersons, we're real people you know, we're not just whatever thing you find 'hot' 'cool' or 'sexy'.

Real people are nothing special.

Thus why I reiterate what I stated before.

Quote from: Annwyn on May 08, 2009, 03:03:24 PM
Real people are nothing special.

Thus why I reiterate what I stated before.

Uh-huh, this is true, dear. Especially all those real people that our troops should be slaying at this moment, right? 

Although I prolly wouldn't have stated it quite the same way

QuoteThis thread is stupid.

I do believe that it's ironic that we don't want to be "objectified" by "->-bleeped-<-s" or Michael Savage, et. al. but we do seem to like to objectify ourselves with all those positive qualities.

Ya know, friend, you're not "disagreeable" at all. A bit impetuous sometimes. But I have to admit it's kinda fun to watch you take your sticks and plunge them into the fire-ant hill and stir it up.

Just try to remember to drop the stick before the ants climb up to where your hand's holding it. It can be kinda nasty if ya don't.

N~

The ability to dream.  It's something that's rare in society, a willing departure in the mind away from reality.  Hope, staring at seemingly impossible odds and willing to overcome it.

The deep-sated ability to dream of doing something more than just being is what makes many transsexuals special.  Doesn't make them much different from any wide-eyed 8 year old cradling a book as big as her head and knowing what she reads in it will never come to be.

But yes, it is special among humans, and it's one thing that all transsexuals have by default of being transsexual.  The same could not be said of the general populace.

This thread is still stupid.

And I pretty much am disgusted by most transsexuals I know.  So many of them dream too much, an old hag eluding herself to dreams that she's a young princess.  It's not my place to disillusion any of them, but I do find it frustrating that while I'm getting on with my life in the real world in the middle of transition, all these people are doing it comfortably in retirement, well settled into their roles while the younger ones like me are struggling for rent, education, love, and transition, as well as all the other BS drama of youth.

Kay, I'm done with my stupid whining in this stupid thread.

Quote from: Nichole on May 05, 2009, 01:12:22 PM
You've obviously not seen some of the sites around the netz where this is NOT true. No one, it seems, can show any less "empathy and sympathy" about gendering than MTF transsexuals. Just my opinion, but a lot of this comes from unresolved angst about being "real."

Best response in this thread.

Quote from: Nichole on May 05, 2009, 01:19:58 PM
Nope, not very many "unique insights," but a helluva lot of vicious name calling and trying to define "who's real (like me) and who's unreal."

Makes for some pretty nasty and vicious set-tos and they happen regularly. The term "->-bleeped-<-r than thou" comes readily to mind.

Also this one.