Quote from: Josh on May 05, 2009, 05:37:38 AM
what are your thoughts on double incision chest surgery but WITHOUT the nipple grafts?

I've done a lot of research and I'm thinkin this is the surgery I want to go with. I don't get much sensation out of them to begin with and they'd probably look messed up after surgery. Personally I think grafts tend to get oddly placed and the nipples can look kinda weird. What I'd like to do is get the surgery and then after it heals have nipples tattooed.

I've seen pictures of this procedure and in my opinion it looks better than nipple grafts. But that's just an opinion.

Quote from: PolarBear on May 05, 2009, 01:52:56 PM
Are you thinking about having surgery without the nipple grafts? If so, why? (If you don't mind me asking.)

i infact am thinking of having it done without the grafts.

my reasons are:
hard to heal
could be misplaced/misshapen
possible nipple death
possibly cheaper
less possible complications

and ofcourse my most controversial reason...
body modification.

i have a supreme fascination with body modding.  i think that it would be awesome to just not have nipples.  lol

even if i change my mind later in life, i can have them surgicallly rebuilt and tattooed later.

hard to heal- i've had skinned elbows that took longer to heal.  if you are a smoker, your risk is higher since microcirculation is necessary to heal grafted tissue.

could be misplaced/misshapen- only if your surgeon isn't experienced.  mine look like plain old, run-of-the-mill nipples.

possible nipple death- i asked brownstein about this.  he said he's had one graft not take out of thousands. 

possibly cheaper- by...  $100?  $200?  preparing and placing the grafts only takes a couple of minutes.

less possible complications- again, these grafts are extremely easy to heal if you're healthy.
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Some nontrans people get them removed for cosmetic reasons, and for you it is quite convenient, since you'd have to be getting surgery anyway.

if i had a normal biomale chest or was getting keyhole, i wouldnt consider this.

buuuuut... for me, its just too good a chance to pass up i think.

too good a chance? of what? 

the one rejected nipple i mentioned (out of thousands) was a DI, as was the surgery that I and most other FTMs have had...  and there are not countless stories of lost nipples.

Also, keep in mind, that not every surgeon is necessarily going to be a-ok with giving you a nipple free chest.  In any surgery (and especially this type of surgery) a surgeons results become their reputation.  A particular surgeon might think it's not in their best interest to perform a surgery that isn't to their aesthetic liking.

Quote from: Mister on May 06, 2009, 07:25:49 PM
hard to heal- i've had skinned elbows that took longer to heal.  if you are a smoker, your risk is higher since microcirculation is necessary to heal grafted tissue.

could be misplaced/misshapen- only if your surgeon isn't experienced.  mine look like plain old, run-of-the-mill nipples.

possible nipple death- i asked brownstein about this.  he said he's had one graft not take out of thousands. 

possibly cheaper- by...  $100?  $200?  preparing and placing the grafts only takes a couple of minutes.

less possible complications- again, these grafts are extremely easy to heal if you're healthy.
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well mister, it seems that youre superman when it comes to everything.  youre freaking superman arent you?  the perfect picture of health.

my boob skin is freaking shot.  stretched with no elasticity.  not the healthiest bit of skin for sure.

and congrats.  you could freaking afford brownstien.  well im 18 with no credit.  im going to a surgeon here in the midwest.  hes not as widely known as say, brownstein or fischer, for good reason.  hes not as experienced.

so yes... BOO ->-bleeped-<-ing HOO for me.  i dont have the best of chances.

id rather have no tits than lopsided misshapen scarred disks of pink, frankensteined to my chest.

am I superman?  No, i've had surgery.  that's it.  you solicited opinions, i gave mine.

Quote from: Mr. Fox on May 05, 2009, 02:02:16 PM
People would think that a lack of nipples are strange, but why change your body for the sake of society?  If you don't want nipples, go for it.  Normal is overrated.

doh. I meant I agree with this statement.

but yes. think long and hard about it before you do anything definite.

Quote from: Mister on May 06, 2009, 07:25:49 PM
hard to heal- i've had skinned elbows that took longer to heal.  if you are a smoker, your risk is higher since microcirculation is necessary to heal grafted tissue.

could be misplaced/misshapen- only if your surgeon isn't experienced.  mine look like plain old, run-of-the-mill nipples.

possible nipple death- i asked brownstein about this.  he said he's had one graft not take out of thousands. 

possibly cheaper- by...  $100?  $200?  preparing and placing the grafts only takes a couple of minutes.

less possible complications- again, these grafts are extremely easy to heal if you're healthy.
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I'm a long time smoker and quit some for surgery, but not as much as recommended. My nipples healed fine. I'm also older than most guys who have chest surgery. The only person who's ever noticed that they were grafted was an acupuncturist and I'd already told him (about my DI scars) that I'd had gynecomastia surgery because of a hormone problem. He didn't notice until the third session then he said "wow, must've been a hell of a hormone problem, you had surgery there too".

If you want to do it because you like the way it looks, fine. But don't think it's a huge extra to the surgery, cost-wise or recovery-wise, cause it isn't.

Dennis

Quote from: Dennis on May 07, 2009, 12:29:02 AM
If you want to do it because you like the way it looks, fine. But don't think it's a huge extra to the surgery, cost-wise or recovery-wise, cause it isn't.

Dennis

I totally agree. I didn't stop smoking before the surgery or after I had a couple in the afternoon after my surgery. Yes it was my risk to take I took it. It didn't affect my healing process my surgeon said my healing was excellent and just above normal so.. didn't harm at all. Not that I recommened it of course.

Jay

Your choice, I think some of the stick on nipples look really good and doesn't compromise anything.

You are the important one in this discussion, If you don't want, cannot afford or it's just plain not the look you want, go for it. If someone stares either M or F you've got a great chat up intro

Love and Hugs and great success

Cindy James

Quote from: Josh on May 06, 2009, 07:39:57 PM
well mister, it seems that youre superman when it comes to everything.  youre freaking superman arent you?  the perfect picture of health.

my boob skin is freaking shot.  stretched with no elasticity.  not the healthiest bit of skin for sure.

and congrats.  you could freaking afford brownstien.  well im 18 with no credit.  im going to a surgeon here in the midwest.  hes not as widely known as say, brownstein or fischer, for good reason.  hes not as experienced.

so yes... BOO ->-bleeped-<-ing HOO for me.  i dont have the best of chances.

id rather have no tits than lopsided misshapen scarred disks of pink, frankensteined to my chest.

Play nice Josh, wouldn't want to delete the thread.  Mister was giving his view, which you asked for.

Jay

i just did some additional research at the advice of my BF and discovered another reason to not do the grafts...

as it is, i have almost NO sensation in my nipples or bottom half of my breasticles, so if i decide that i do want nipples later, i can have them recreate the nipples using a graft from a different part of my body.  i can pick a part that has good sensation.  LOL

I had no sensation either, so it didn't matter to me whether I had any in the new nipples. You're not going to gain sensation by connecting a sensitive body part there. The nerves won't just hook up.

Dennis

Quote from: Dennis on May 07, 2009, 09:01:05 AM
You're not going to gain sensation by connecting a sensitive body part there. The nerves won't just hook up.

Dennis

how do phalloplasties work?

Quote from: Josh on May 07, 2009, 09:03:43 AM
how do phalloplasties work?

phalloplasties have very little (if any) sensation.  If your surgeon buries your penis in the new one, you have a better chance of having sensation, but it is usually only on the bottom of the shaft near your pelvis.

Quote from: Mister on May 07, 2009, 10:09:22 AM
phalloplasties have very little (if any) sensation.  If your surgeon buries your penis in the new one, you have a better chance of having sensation, but it is usually only on the bottom of the shaft near your pelvis.

I think the point Josh was trying to make is that often surgeons try to pick as sensitive of a part of the body as possible (i.e. the forearm) for phalloplasty to give as much sensation as possible (though it won't be anything close to a biomale's penis).

Quote from: Kayden on May 07, 2009, 10:42:07 AM
I think the point Josh was trying to make is that often surgeons try to pick as sensitive of a part of the body as possible (i.e. the forearm) for phalloplasty to give as much sensation as possible (though it won't be anything close to a biomale's penis).

which makes sense... but forearm skin is not the same as the tissue nipples are made out of.  reconstructing nipples out of skin when you've tossed away a perfectly good pair seems like nothing but unnecessary surgery with less than ideal results.