Quote from: Nero on July 10, 2009, 07:07:35 AM
my apologies to all the ladies here and anyone else who may have been offended.

No apology required for me, Nero. I haven't been offended by anything here.

Quote from: Nero on July 10, 2009, 07:25:58 AM
like this Jay?
Think I failed Biology. had to look it up the shape. That's actually a vase from bedzine. I do remember a gyno reaching her hand up and touching it once. Had to be the oddest sensation in the world. Felt like a jellfish or something. I wanted her to do it again. otherworldly.

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


::shudder::


Jay

it is kinda weird looking, ain't it? 

Oh.. my god... ?  Who would BUY that?!   Eeeeww...

[No apology needed on my end, either, Nero. I think it's fantastic that you're feeling better. ]

Thanks Tam. 

haha yeah can you imagine flowers sprouting from the mouth of that? 

I would buy the vase to put candy in it and leave it on the porch for Halloween. I garentee I'll be able to eat all the candy after trick-r-treating is over.

[seriously though, does anyone else think it looks like a weird alien like creature reaching out to grab someone?]

Arrrrgh! I think I'm actually afraid of that... thing.

Quote from: Osiris on July 10, 2009, 12:59:02 PM
I would buy the vase to put candy in it and leave it on the porch for Halloween. I garentee I'll be able to eat all the candy after trick-r-treating is over.

Especially if you use Jelly Babies.... 

I used to think that too. I figured all women hated their bodies and wanted to be guys but just had to live with it. It doesn't make sense to me how anyone could embrace having breasts and curves, it just seems inconvenient to me, but after talking to a few girls about this they all do enjoy those female traits. I think the main reason why women in general are less satisfied with their bodies is because of society. Society teaches women that they have to be thin to succeed, and it's not as bad for guys. Girls are judged a lot more on their looks so they're always trying to look better. It's not the same as trans dysphoria though. Because if you took away society, I think a lot less women would have issues with their body, but for us the dysphoria would still exist

Quote from: Nero on July 10, 2009, 12:27:46 AM
So the 90% is more about wishing something were shapelier or less, not that it would disappear. 

Shapelier, or less, or more, or softer, or firmer, or a different color, yes.

Quote from: Nero on July 10, 2009, 07:25:58 AM

Looks like something from Halloween.

Quote from: Chamillion on July 10, 2009, 05:32:20 PM
I figured all women hated their bodies and wanted to be guys but just had to live with it.

Penis-envy is a male fantasy.

God.. that thing.. i want it OUT. IT MUST COME OUT. GOD WHY DID YOU DO THIS

Quote from: Chamillion on July 10, 2009, 05:32:20 PM
I used to think that too. I figured all women hated their bodies and wanted to be guys but just had to live with it.

stop reading freud.

Quote from: Mister on July 11, 2009, 04:11:48 AM
stop reading freud.

I don't think it's quite that they're reading Freud, but just assuming "I'm female-bodied, I feel this way, therefore other people who are female-bodied feel this way too." I mean, that's what I had always figured...it just made sense, considering the only experience I was really working off was my own.

Quote from: Mister on July 11, 2009, 04:11:48 AM
stop reading freud.

I was like 13 when I thought that, hence why I said "used to". I was unaware about trans people, and also completely unaware that I myself could be trans, so I figured all women must share my dysphoria. I was also unaware who Freud was at that age.

Thank you Nero for yet another great conversation.

From the prospective of a guy there are plenty of the same feelings I've had growing up as you seem to have felt growing up the way you did.

I've asked my share of people how they've felt about themselves while they were growing up and how they feel now about it. For some reason I like to hear the stories of other people.


And thank you everyone for sharing your experiences.

Yeah, actually that's what I've been thinking about lately. All women seem to love to complain about their bodies. What would make me any different? My mother can rant hour after hour about how being a woman is a raw deal. I figured that most women want to be more attractive to men, and so since I want to be less attractive to men (being honked at or the like is a blow to my pride, thank you very much) so there must be a different cause.

Something I've recently discovered though, there seems to be a nice number (alright it's probably pretty small but more than I expected) of ciswomen who would like to chop off the fatbags on their chests. Something that made me think about it a little more.

As to periods, years before I hit puberty I got the whole adorable, light hearted "honey you're gonna bleed out of your vagina! Aren't you excited?" talk/video/treatment. According to the female schoolteacher-robots periods were exciting and lots of girls were looking forward to them and the ones that didn't bleed were devastated. Still don't know what she was smoking. Always hoped it would never happen to me. Wouldn't believe it. But is that so different from any other female?

Maybe women like their periods, but I have yet to discover why. Add it to the list of all the other things I don't understand about them.

I don't really have access to many women. I have my mother, a catholic whom has no idea, and one of my first friends I met way back when. My old friend has now become super-feminine and I can't seem to relate to her or carry on any conversations anymore. I don't think there are many ciswomen on this site to ask. I'm still figuring out my identity.

On a side note, running with female hips sucks. Just finished a run and there's way too much damned swaying going on to get anything done. Too bad there's no surgery to fix that. I don't want kids.

Eternally rambling,

SilverFang

QuoteSomething I've recently discovered though, there seems to be a nice number (alright it's probably pretty small but more than I expected) of ciswomen who would like to chop off the fatbags on their chests. Something that made me think about it a little more.

QuoteMaybe women like their periods, but I have yet to discover why. Add it to the list of all the other things I don't understand about them.

I work with a lot of women; always have.  Yes they bitch and moan they hate their boobs, they hate their periods, etc and would love a reduction and/or hysto.  But the reality?  When actually faced with actually having to make that decision (ie breast cancer -- do I go for the mastectomy or lumpectomy?  or a female problem -- do I get the hysto or uterus-sparing procedure?) Most find the decision very traumatic and opt to keep the boobs and the baby parts if at all possible.  They talk good, but reality is they really do like their parts.

Jay

Quote from: sneakersjay on July 29, 2009, 11:34:04 AM
I work with a lot of women; always have.  Yes they bitch and moan they hate their boobs, they hate their periods, etc and would love a reduction and/or hysto.  But the reality?  When actually faced with actually having to make that decision (ie breast cancer -- do I go for the mastectomy or lumpectomy?  or a female problem -- do I get the hysto or uterus-sparing procedure?) Most find the decision very traumatic and opt to keep the boobs and the baby parts if at all possible.  They talk good, but reality is they really do like their parts.

Having worked in a women's hospital I can say that while women who still want to have kids obviously desire to keep all their reproductive bits, once that stage is past they vary quite dramatically in their approach. For some, losing the essentially female bits is like taking out a huge part of their personality, even when they are past menopause, and for others it's really no big deal. They cover the spectrum, as you'd expect. (I'm talking uteruses/uteri here - I can't really comment about breasts although I'd expect a variation there too, but breasts are visible signs of womanhood and also potentially attractive to others, so I suspect there'd be more reluctance to lose them.)

Being sterilised can be traumatic too, even when a woman has no desire to have any more kids. I couldn't wait to get my tubes tied but other women would rather risk pregnancy that lose that bit of womanhood. Ditto with menopause - leaving aside all the hassles involved, for some it's a loss of femininity and for others it can't come quickly enough.

Quote from: SilverFang on July 29, 2009, 10:10:09 AM
I don't really have access to many women. I have my mother, a catholic whom has no idea, and one of my first friends I met way back when. My old friend has now become super-feminine and I can't seem to relate to her or carry on any conversations anymore. I don't think there are many ciswomen on this site to ask. I'm still figuring out my identity.

I'm one of the few ciswomen around here and I'm always happy to answer questions to the best of my ability, if it's of any use to anyone. 

Quote from: sneakersjay on July 29, 2009, 11:34:04 AM
I work with a lot of women; always have.  Yes they bitch and moan they hate their boobs, they hate their periods, etc and would love a reduction and/or hysto.  But the reality?  When actually faced with actually having to make that decision (ie breast cancer -- do I go for the mastectomy or lumpectomy?  or a female problem -- do I get the hysto or uterus-sparing procedure?) Most find the decision very traumatic and opt to keep the boobs and the baby parts if at all possible.  They talk good, but reality is they really do like their parts.

Jay

Fair enough.

Quote from: minniemouse on July 29, 2009, 10:54:56 PMI'm one of the few ciswomen around here and I'm always happy to answer questions to the best of my ability, if it's of any use to anyone. 

Good to know, thanks.

SilverFang