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has anyone been found out in the women's room

Started by Princess, July 10, 2009, 04:04:31 PM

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Princess

i'm just wondering if anyone got in trouble for using the women's room even though you were presenting as a female, but people figured you were male, and what happened?
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barbie

In a strict sense, "never", but there are some variations.

As m2f crossdresser, I always cause attention and jokes in men's room just because of my long hair alone. A practical joker once commented like "You are certainly a man because you piss upright".

Sometimes I share women's room with my female friends. They shout at me, but mostly take it for granted.

In public bath, everybody is busy doing their own business, but some women study me because of my unusual height as a woman here. But, what can they say even if they suspect I might be a man?

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FairyGirl

Never had anyone even pay that much attention really. I do however carry a letter from my therapist with her name and phone number that explains I am a transsexual woman and should be permitted to use public female restrooms. I've never had to show it to anyone, but I still carry it in my handbag just in case.
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GinaDouglas

I've had a few incidents.  This is how I wrote about the worst one in a fictionalized version of my transition, although this account is pretty much word for word true, describing an incident in my local bar, where I'm a regular and everybody knows I am trans:

By the time their third round of songs was coming around, Ginger had closed-out her second half-pitcher, and used her bar tab from poker to buy a third half-pitcher that she shared with Rita.  Tanith was the designated driver, and had already stopped drinking.  After Tanith's and Rita's turns, Ginger excused herself to go to the ladies' room again, taking her purse, and intending to check her makeup and look her best when she came back to make her final push at getting somewhere with Tanith.  However, it was pretty clear, and becoming clearer, that Tanith intended to take Rita home, and then go home herself, alone, that night.  But Tanith said she was definitely coming to poker on Sunday.  She'd taken Ginger's phone number, and without Ginger asking, had given Ginger her number.  Ginger had said, only half in jest, "Are you sure you want to give this to me?  Because if you wake up sober tomorrow and decide not to call me, I'm not going to be able to be too proud to call you, because I like you too much."

In the ladies' room, almost as soon as Ginger sat down on the toilet, the door thumped as some woman unfamiliar with the place tried to get in.  Ginger had drank much beer, and peed for a long time, long enough to wonder if estrogen actually might help women hold it better.  The door rattled again, and Ginger said, "I'm going to be a minute, hold on."  Then she flushed the toilet and washed her hands.  Under other circumstances than being about to go back to being with a woman she was already romantically involved with, a woman who seemed like exactly the kind of woman Ginger had dreamed about being involved with, Ginger would have forgone fixing her makeup in deference to the woman waiting to get in.  But Ginger had been at the bar four hours now, and really needed to freshen her powder and redo her lipstick.  Before she was done, the door rattled a third time, and Ginger said, "Almost done.  Be right out."

When Ginger had repacked her purse, hung it over her shoulder, and checked her appearance in the mirror, she looked and felt great.  She only wished she could freshen her perfume.  Ginger opened the door and was confronted by an angry young woman, surely not twenty-five if she was even old enough to drink.  The woman seemed to be of mixed African-American and Latino descent, taller than Ginger, and very lean, like a tweaker, a meth addict.  The woman blocked Ginger's exit, and planted two fingers on Ginger's breastbone, as if to push Ginger back by intimidation, though her fingers could never actually be strong enough to push a grown woman.  The tall woman said, in a very nasty tone, her words dripping with threat like she was used to having people be scared of her, "You should use the men's room, and then I don't have to wait."

Ginger said, "Maybe you should use the men's room, if you don't want to wait."

"Don't be telling me what I gotta do or what I outta do.  You should use the men's room, because I know what you got between your legs, and it ain't no pussy.  You a man."

"You don't know nothing.  The most you can discern is what I was probably born with, not what I got now.  And that don't matter anyway.  Now get out of my way."  With those words, Ginger used her forearm to knock the tall woman's hand off her chest, and bulled past her.

As Ginger pushed past the tall woman, the tall woman grabbed the strap of Ginger's purse.  "Don't you be disrespectin' me, walking away from me when I talking to you.  An' you don't be touching me neither."

Ginger turned to confront the woman and free the woman's hand from her purse.  When Ginger turned to face the tall woman, Ginger's purse was hanging off her right shoulder and the tall woman had her left hand on the purse strap.  Ginger suspected that the tall woman was trying to steal Ginger's purse, as the woman had a clear shot out the open back door from where they were, in a small hallway that had the restroom entrances on the right, a locked back door to the kitchen on the left, and the bar's back door at the end of the hallway.  Ginger brought her right hand up to the woman's wrist, above where the woman was holding the purse strap, and Ginger brought her left hand across to take hold of the purse itself.

The woman yelled, "Get your hands off me!" though her yell would not have been heard in the bar over the volume of the music.  Simultaneous with her yell, the tall woman delivered a right cross, hitting Ginger square in the nose.  Ginger's grip on the tall woman's wrist was the lifesaving pain-control grip, and the tall woman had to release her grip on the purse strap, which allowed Ginger to step backwards out of the hallway towards the rearmost pool table, on which a game was in process.  Ginger saw in the tall woman's eyes that the tall woman had enjoyed hitting Ginger, and that she was about to do it again.  Ginger's hands were low, she couldn't get either one up in time to deflect the blow, but she was moving backwards already, and could slip the punch, by bending her spine backwards, to bring her head back in the same direction as the incoming punch, thus lessening the force of the blow, and increasing the distance it would have to travel before contact, also lessening it's impact.  But in the rigid corset, Ginger's spine had no flexibility, and she took a second punch, pretty much square in the mouth, which knocked her into the man setting up for his pool shot.  This man was another stranger, a young Latino, in a group with two other Latino men.  These three men formed up around the tall woman who had punched Ginger, and Ginger realized that the four of them had come in together, most likely gang-bangers.

Ginger had been punched by men who weighed twice what this woman weighed, and had barely felt the two little girl-punches.  Ginger thought for a moment that all four of them were about to come after her, and she stepped out of her pumps, in preparation to defend herself, with the pool table at her back.

But quicker than Ginger could have clicked her pumps together and said, "There's no place like home", there was a rush of bodies from every direction.  A 4-1 disadvantage quickly turned into 12-4, 16-4, and 20-4.  Each of the male gang-bangers was surrounded by three or four men, and the tall woman was ringed by half a dozen females.  Carmen was right up in the tall woman's face, and Makara was standing right behind the tall woman.  Burt, Frank, Snowman, Terminator, Rick, Lloyd, Chuck, Brad, Kirk and other men were crowding the Latino men in opposite directions to isolate them.  Suddenly Jenny was in the thick of it, taking hold of Ginger's wrist.  Jenny said, "Ginger, I need some help behind the bar washing glasses."

Ginger went with Jenny, and Jenny asked what happened.  Ginger said, "She punched me twice.  In the face.  For taking too long in the ladies' room.  Or maybe just for using it.  Or maybe just because she's a tweaker."
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sofiadragon1979

I have only done that twice & both times I haven't had any trouble yet, but next year I will be going full time so things are going to be.....interesting to say the least.
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Michelle.

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V M

Actually, folks freak on me more if I use the men's room lately. The guys don't say much, but they look noticeably uncomfortable. Maybe it's my cute lil' boobys that are getting more difficult to hide.

I've only had one problem in the ladies room. As I sat to do my business, I could hear some chatter. But I wasn't sure what it was about. Just as I had put my panties up, but not my jeans yet, the stall door was forced open and there were two security personnel. One of them looking down my tank top. They said "Excuse us ma'am, sorry." As they left I could hear them say "That's one tall drink o' water. It's a girl ladies. I suggest you all move on."  :P
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Syne

No problems yet and it has been a number of years. Like Virginia I did have problems with the Men's room pre-transition, no matter how butch I tried to appear. I had guys running from there, literally. LOL.
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GinaDouglas

Quote from: Virginia Marie on July 11, 2009, 12:19:20 AM
the stall door was forced open and there were two security personnel.

You should have sued them.  That's a violation of privacy under any circumstances.
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Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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tekla

Well at least you have stall doors, most of the big nightclubs in SF took them off years ago.
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Galantha

This is downright scary subject I never really thought about.

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LordKAT

Ladies are vicious. I got chased out of 2 bars for using the ladies. the guys usually don't care and once a bartender was about to tell me that I had used the wrong restroom. He stopped in midstride.

Pretty weird when your pre t and pre everything actually.
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yabby

i never ever had any problem at all, and when i am in woman mode i never never never use men room.

Post Merge: July 11, 2009, 02:58:28 PM

Quote from: barbie on July 10, 2009, 05:39:14 PM



In public bath, everybody is busy doing their own business, but some women study me because of my unusual height as a woman here. But, what can they say even if they suspect I might be a man?

Barbie~~


Come to the USA or Europe and they'll study you because you are less tall and have a smaller body frame. hihi ^_^

i will say that i am lucky since it is usual in europe for some girls to be taller than me or have a bigger body frame.

Post Merge: July 11, 2009, 04:00:48 PM

Quote from: Virginia Marie on July 11, 2009, 12:19:20 AM
Actually, folks freak on me more if I use the men's room lately. The guys don't say much, but they look noticeably uncomfortable. Maybe it's my cute lil' boobys that are getting more difficult to hide.


i was once in a gay bar where there is only one toilet. and when i came in one guy said: looking for Mademoiselle toilets?
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sofiadragon1979

 :-\ I am honestly worried about how things will go for me next year when I go for my FLE Sofia that link has a pic of what I look like when I am in fem mode, I am currently pre-HRT does anyone think that I will have any problems, & I should be starting on HRT w/in a month or so.
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barbie

Quote from: yabby on July 11, 2009, 03:55:01 PM
Come to the USA or Europe and they'll study you because you are less tall and have a smaller body frame. hihi ^_^

Yes. I had been in the US and several countries of Europe. In the US, some young ladies used to say hello to me and commented like "you are so tall!". Yes. That's true that few women in public restroom studied me, as America is so diverse in demography.

If you see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height, you will notice there is no significant difference in average height between Korea, South and USA, either men or women, considering the sample age.

Another peculiar point of my body is the color of my legs in summer. Some women asked where I got sun tan, and I replied it is natural by the real sun.

The most bustling and alive restroom I have ever used is the one near colleage campus. Collegue sutdents fix their makeup and even their underwear in front of mirrors. They chat each other while doing their business. I guess women's restroom is a temporarily liberated area for women. They seem to feel safer and freer there.

Barbie~~

Post Merge: July 11, 2009, 03:02:39 AM

And local new media here reported that a most expensive public restroom was rencently opened in a beach of my area:



It costed about US $400,000. Hopefully I will use it in this summer (of course, women's).

And a public restroom exclusively for women installed in a traditional market:





Local goverments try their best to attract people and tourists in other areas.

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V M

Quote from: GinaDouglas on July 11, 2009, 11:47:31 AM
You should have sued them.  That's a violation of privacy under any circumstances.
I thought that it might be a privacy violation. But I didn't want to pursue it. I wasn't physically harmed and kinda got a kick out of getting ma'amed by mall cops in the Ladies room  :laugh:
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Britney_413

So far I haven't had to worry a lot about this because primarily my dressing and outings have taken place in GLBT-friendly establishments (I am pre-op, part time dressed). Regardless, some of these places I've gone to are places where I am literally the only trans person there. Everyone else may be gay or lesbian but they are all clearly cis-gendered. This is a good "testing ground" for me because I need to learn the ropes of these "safe" environments before going to the more neutral ones (such as the shopping mall).

It seems a bit strange that security guards came to find out if you are a woman while you were still in the stall. Did you spend a long time in there? I have learned to simply "get in and get out." No unnecessary chit-chatting, no loitering, no fiddling around. I go in, do my business, and hit the door. This is the very reason I do this. The faster you are, the more time is on your side. If some woman left and summoned security by the time they even got there I would be long gone. Unless you are hanging out in there for excessive periods of time, I really don't understand how they could get there so fast short of already being right outside of the door. This is even more true with police. If the store called the police, by the time they got there, you would already be home. Simply put, if you are doing something that may be illegal or perceived to be illegal then be as low-profile as possible and don't waste time.

I strongly support standing up for our rights but some days you just want to get whatever you have to get done as quickly and painlessly as possible without any drama whatsoever.
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barbie

Quote from: Britney_413 on July 12, 2009, 11:03:38 PM
I strongly support standing up for our rights but some days you just want to get whatever you have to get done as quickly and painlessly as possible without any drama whatsoever.

Indeed. I agree. And I always try to just finishi my business there. As nowadays I am used to it, I do not hurry too much.

And, not just in restrooms, sometimes I should restrain myself to avoid any fuss. I am sometimes unfarily treated by men or women, becuase of my feminine looking. If I were in male mode, I would admonish them, but I just hold back. Or, even that would not happen if I looked manly. Simply, it is not time for fighting for justice while I go out in female mode. I just try to enjoy what I initially intended.

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flygirl82

Well with me and this was so embarassing, but when i was working as a flight attendant and had to go while in the airport, mind you this is prior to living full time as that job wouldnt allow me to, i would go in the mens room in my male uniform (i never wore the suit jackets i refused to just a shirt and tie) men would always stop me and say miss your going in the wrong bathroom, so embarassing and i felt bad bc i didnt know how to react in that situation, like im in my work uniform and am representing my airline, but i couldnt be like ok, then go in the womans restroom... so needless to say i pretty much just held it and went on planes lol.  or sometimes some airports had uni rooms which i loved then.  now im full time so i strictly use the womens room but fear the whole someone finding out thing u know?

Post Merge: July 13, 2009, 02:16:41 AM

lol i must admit though sometimes i would be like in a rather deep tone.... very man like, "yeah i know its the mens restroom" just to see their reaction lol it was priceless...
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V M

As I've mentioned before on other "potty" threads, I try to avoid public restrooms as much as possible. Unfortunately, sometimes you gotta go. I usually try to do my biz and leave as quick as possible. But that day at the mall I was having a bad tummy and there was extensive "paper work" to be done. So that slowed me down quite a bit. I ended up just going home and going to sleep  :P
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