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Has Anyone GUESSED You Are Trans and Outed You?

Started by K8, October 18, 2009, 06:32:00 PM

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SarahFaceDoom

Quote from: K8 on October 18, 2009, 06:32:00 PM
including getting from a fair number of women that secret look that one woman shoots another whom she appreciates. 

What is this?  I never have gotten this!
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K8

Quote from: SarahFaceDoom on October 25, 2009, 04:04:08 AM
What is this?  I never have gotten this!

It's a secret. :)




I don't know.  Perhaps it is because I have become very open and receptive to others. ???  I never got it when I was trying to be a man.  There's just this quick look, eye contact, and slight smile.  Maybe they all recognize that I'm male-bodied and, like a little girl trying on her mother's heels, am trying to be a grown-up woman.  I don't know.  But I get it a lot, and it is one of the many things I absolutely love about finally being me. :)

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Krissy_Australia

Quote from: K8 on October 21, 2009, 11:25:11 AM
Perhaps that's why some people hate us - because we insert that uncertainty into their lives.

- Kate

Kate Im perplexed by this comment
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Janet_Girl

Oh I get it.  It is like they are living in their little bubble and we are the pin, that cause a slow leak in their little sheltered world.


Janet
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K8

Quote from: Krissy_Australia on October 25, 2009, 08:01:35 AM
Kate Im perplexed by this comment

Krissy,

We all sort out the complexities of the world into categories and "boxes".  It is a natural way of simplifying the world around us so that we can deal with it.  Some people see those categories as being fixed – black and white – while others see them as fluid or indeterminate – having many shades of grey.

Those who see things as black and white – good and evil, right and wrong, moral and immoral – generally do not like to have those rigid boundaries questioned, because that calls their world-view into question.  (They are inflexible, after all, or they would view the world as having shades of gray.)  The black-and-white view is a simpler one and some will cling to it, perhaps because they don't have the inner resources to handle a broader, more diffuse view of things.

So if the "know" that there are only males and females, being presented with someone who is female but male-bodied shakes things up.  It is often easier to be angry at the messenger than question the validity of our own beliefs.

But that's just my opinion. ::)

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Dawn D.

Quote from: K8 on October 25, 2009, 07:20:31 AM
It's a secret. :)

I don't know.  Perhaps it is because I have become very open and receptive to others. ???  I never got it when I was trying to be a man.  There's just this quick look, eye contact, and slight smile.  Maybe they all recognize that I'm male-bodied and, like a little girl trying on her mother's heels, am trying to be a grown-up woman.  I don't know.  But I get it a lot, and it is one of the many things I absolutely love about finally being me. :)

- Kate

On this I know exactly what you mean, Kate. I get that a lot also. I've actually been told by a number of female acquaintances that they feel a lot more at ease with me now, knowing me as female. I'm a little confused as to why and they can't quite explain it either. They just are.

Perhaps before, I was giving off some vibe when I presented as male, that being one of envy that they could be themselves and I couldn't. I don't know.


Dawn
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finewine

Quote from: K8 on October 25, 2009, 01:48:37 PM
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Those who see things as black and white – good and evil, right and wrong, moral and immoral – generally do not like to have those rigid boundaries questioned, because that calls their world-view into question.  (They are inflexible, after all, or they would view the world as having shades of gray.)  The black-and-white view is a simpler one and some will cling to it, perhaps because they don't have the inner resources to handle a broader, more diffuse view of things.

While I don't disagree with the point I think you're making,  I don't quite align with the aspersion that finding something outside the perceived norm to be odd is necessarily a character flaw or failing of the individual (apologies if I'm reading an implied criticism of such folks that wasn't intended)

Let's say you wake up one morning at the sky is a nice lurid green.  You're going to stare at it and metaphorically at least scratch your head and go "huh!?" because previous experience has taught you that the sky is blue.  Are you lacking the resources to cope with something that falls outside the norm?  Does finding the incongruous sky colour imply some character flaw?

No.  It's a perfectly natural reaction to something you're not accustomed to.

It is, however, a character flaw to deal with it by s->-bleeped-<-ing and being cruel or insensitive - no argument there.

Sometimes people stare at my daughter because of her eye problems.  Sometimes kids will say out loud what others are thinking.  Both of these make my daughter and I uncomfortable but, as I explained to her, this is something she's going to have to get used to - she IS different, political correctness be damned.  Now, if someone laughs or makes a sotto voce comment, I may approach them and ask them flat out if they'd like to know about glaucoma and the affects on the eye.  This usually deflects the discomfort from us back to them :)

The cold hard reality is incongruity attracts attention and yup, that can be uncomfortable (hence the ubiquitous desire to pass convincingly) but too bad - life can be a vicious little cow sometimes and we all have to deal with it in our own way.
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K8

I agree completely, Finewine.  I'm sorry I wasn't more clear.  I was casting aspersions on those who, because someone is different (color, creed, ability, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc.) think that person is lesser and therefore does not (or should not) have full rights.

I have no problem with someone looking at me longer, trying to figure out what I am.  I have no problem with them asking questions out of curiosity.  Actually, if they turn to their friends and start discussing me, I don't have a problem.  What I have a problem with is them saying I can't participate in society or attacking me verbally or physically.

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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finewine

Quote from: K8 on October 28, 2009, 02:34:22 PM
I agree completely, Finewine.  I'm sorry I wasn't more clear.  I was casting aspersions on those who, because someone is different (color, creed, ability, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc.) think that person is lesser and therefore does not (or should not) have full rights.

Oh no need to apologise, my dear - and I'm sorry if I misinterpreted what you said (actually I was a bit unsure because based on your usual posts, I rarely find a significant point of difference in our opinions) :)

Cheers! :D
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