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airline rules

Started by xsocialworker, August 13, 2009, 08:25:31 AM

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finewine

Gender is wholly irrelevant to the airline security issue and I can't see how it would make any difference whatsoever.  If someone on a watch list is travelling they will need extremely high quality forged papers to pass existing controls and if you have those, why bother with a gender difference?

I mean seriously, can anyone contrive a realistic scenario where the gender marker makes any actualy difference?  Surely he watch list isn't just a name and gender pair?  I would imagine it's whatever info they have on the individual, i.e. passport numbers, photos, addresses, etc..

As a frequent visitor to the US, I'm constantly surprised by some of the symbology - marble pillars, senates, eagles, spanky shiny uniforms, gathering biometric data, all stereotypes of an authoritarian state if you were building a movie set  (anyone remember that old Star Trek episode with the modern world version of ancient Rome?).

Maybe next they should take a leaf out of Ceaucescu's book - he had people break into citizens' homes and take sterile cotton swabs of the scent.  There were warehouses full of bell jars containing cotton swabs, just in case they had to hunt you with dogs.

Hehe, I remember when the Berlin Wall collapsed ... there was an East German joke about what happened to the Stazi which claimed they all became taxi drivers.  When you were drunk, you just got into the cab - you didn't need to say a word, because they already knew where you lived :)
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xsocialworker

It is the law and as a Southwest customer, I got an E-Mail they sent out to frequent flyers that one could store this info in their data base and they would only ask it that one time. Even when I was pre-op and had an M on my license, TSA officials never said a word to me. I don't think TS's are really what they are looking for or ever were. You can check the NCTE website for updates.

Post Merge: October 26, 2009, 07:07:51 AM

In the era of electronic data storage, privacy is long gone. I applied for SS this month and even though I changed my gender years ago and they call me M'am in person and on the phone, they still have all the records of when I was male. The Orwellian TV that watches you in your home is as passe as a steam locomotive.
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DarkLady

How I know what is my ''legal gender''? Must I choose male in case I travel to Ireland for example or to the state of Idaho???
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heatherrose




Just tell 'em your a Wack-a-Mole.




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DarkLady

I was nearly arrested in the Canadian airport two times. Has never happened in the Europe even I have ''passed'' here worse. Male airport security workers have not tried to search me here, in Canada one did.
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xsocialworker

Quote from: DarkLady on October 26, 2009, 09:22:02 AM
How I know what is my ''legal gender''? Must I choose male in case I travel to Ireland for example or to the state of Idaho???

Your legal gender for identification is whatever it states on your legal ID
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Hannah

Quote from: DarkLady on October 26, 2009, 09:22:02 AM
How I know what is my ''legal gender''? Must I choose male in case I travel to Ireland for example or to the state of Idaho???

I go to Idaho all the time and they don't look up your skirt. It's a red state, yes, but Boise is very much blue. I don't want to defend them too much because the whole state does need to die in a fire in terms of civil rights, but in my experience it isn't as bad as the stereotype makes it out to be.
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xsocialworker

I've never been to Idaho and I doubt I will in this lifetime. To their credit, they were one of the first states to oppose adopting the "The Real I.D." 
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DarkLady

My passport tells female (in case that is legal id while travelling).
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Linus

I travel lots (within the US and over to Canada as well). I am a Canadian living in the US on a work visa (hopefully to become a green card at some point in the future). Recently I've had to identify gender on my ticket. Because of gov't funness I cannot change gender (at least not for a while). My passport picture hasn't been updated since I began T a year ago (I am now sprout a near full beard). And yet, I've never been stopped (granted my travel tends to put me in premiere level of travel). The reality is that skin colour and other privilege trumps all (at least from an FTM point of view).

Whatever your official ID says (either state issued ID or passport) is what you must put down on your plane ticket.

Post Merge: October 27, 2009, 11:55:47 AM

Quote from: Jeannette on August 14, 2009, 09:31:07 PM
Is this an American thing?  I travel to Sweden and Turkey at least twice a year & I've never been asked to undress or prove my gender.

Definitely an American thing but will likely propogate to other nations as the FAA tends to direct airline requirements. That said, it's supposed to "ferret out" terrorists who cross dress (not like they wouldn't get female bombers or vice-versa). Quite honestly, the ones who will likely face the biggest challenge are those who's skin colour doesn't match that of the colour of freshly lain snow. Let's be real here: it's a target against minorities ('cuz they all look the same and ya can't tell 'em apart, doncha' know?) and trans minorities.

My understanding is that the airport staff is supposed to be trained on trans individuals and are to be respectful (HAH! since they can barely smile when you say "Hi! How's your day going?" I have doubts about this but we'll see as time progresses).
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The None Blonde

Quote from: Janet Lynn on August 14, 2009, 08:36:29 PM
Then how will anyone be able to go to Thailand?  If the feds wouldn't let us change our genders in the fed databases, then they will not let us change our gender.

Interesting conundrum.

Janet
By disclosing thier gender.... embarassed once, thingy chopped up once!

Personally i have an F on my passport, dispite not having a F on my birth cert yet, the Uk is helpful that way....

Although last time i went into the US, I didn't have to disclose it, or even buying the ticket on the return. (was 3 weeks back?)
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Chaos_Dagger

Quote from: DarkLady on October 26, 2009, 09:37:20 AM
I was nearly arrested in the Canadian airport two times. Has never happened in the Europe even I have ''passed'' here worse. Male airport security workers have not tried to search me here, in Canada one did.

Sorry that happened to you here, it's quite unusual.  For future reference, if it ever happens again just request to be searched by females (or by females with a male in the room) if it makes you more comfortable.  Airport security was probly just taking advantage of the fact you weren't from here.  Makes me sick, but just so you know it's the law here that you can only be searched by a gender that your comfortable with (provided your presenting female.)

Also this new law you guys are talking about sucks ass, it's one of the reasons I hate the US and I don't even live there lol.  In Canada (Ontario atleast) you can change all of your "legal" documents EXCEPT your birthcertificate before you have the surgery as long as you have a letter from a therapist saying it would be a good idea.  Once you have the surgery you may change your birth certificate.  As such even in the government database your male life ends and your female life begins as a wholly new person. The government will no longer have any information on you being male, your previous male gender just becomes another person completely unrelated to you (unless your a criminal of course.  In which case crimes committed as a male will still have your fingerprints on file, and you will still be known that way) but as long as you follow the laws then everythign is fine ^^
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xsocialworker

I used to say "M' was for "Martian" and I was on a secret fact finding trip.
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LordKAT

Funny, I always thought F was for feline. Then I learned that some cats really are evil.
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