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Started by Bellaon7, November 04, 2009, 10:05:05 PM

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Bellaon7

Quote from: Becca on November 18, 2009, 12:21:07 AM
Dear Bella, how could you be mad at someone who loves you so much?

Actually the vampires came "out of the coffin". I heard that expression and had to stop the show because I was laughing so hard.
You think I am mad now? You just wait until I get close enough to bite! I will show...sorry, now I only tastse the blood upon my tounges' tip.
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Hannah

I've actually been told I taste pretty good so you better be careful. Not as good as Sookie I'm sure, but she's too perfect anyway; someone needs to eat her face off and make the show about Lafayette from here on.

QuoteTara: uhm, excuse me, the door says LADIES room

Lafayette: so what are you skank a&& hoes doin in here?

Classic!
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Asfsd4214

Quote from: Becca on November 18, 2009, 12:49:42 AM
I've actually been told I taste pretty good so you better be careful. Not as good as Sookie I'm sure, but she's too perfect anyway; someone needs to eat her face off and make the show about Lafayette from here on.

Classic!



Wow we are so off topic now.

;D
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Yvonne

The antipathy of the non stealth peeps towards the stealth people is so obvious that it makes me sick to my stomach.  Its so disgusting that I want to throw up but lets not paint everybody with the same brush.


There are 2 kinds of non stealth people.

1st kind: The people that out themselves to genuinely help the community & dont make a big fuzz over people that choose to live stealth.  To those people I applaud & theyve got my total respect.

2nd kind: The frustrated kind that wanna be stealth but cant because either they dont pass or transitioned old, so the only thing they do is spend their time insulting the people that live stealth by saying things like sneaky, in the closet, dishonest.  To those folks I say.


No wonder stealth people dont like you and then youve got the nerve to play the victim & say they dont want to be near you?  heh if your animosity towards them is that bad & so obvious on an internet website, of course they wouldnt want you to be near them in real life either.  Ill tell you what.  Keep up the bs & the few people that still appreciate you are going to throw you under the bus too & when that happens, its going to be your fault, no one elses.  Shame on you! stop playing the victim & get over it. It doesnt work anymore!
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jesse

Quote from: Julie Marie on November 18, 2009, 12:13:28 AM
Hey, vampires wanna be stealth too!
vampires have to be stealth or their dead a second time and much more permanately
jessica
like a knife that cuts you the wound heals but them scars those scars remain
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Valentina

Quote from: Yvonne on November 18, 2009, 03:55:28 AM
The antipathy of the non stealth peeps towards the stealth people is so obvious that it makes me sick to my stomach.  Its so disgusting that I want to throw up but lets not paint everybody with the same brush.


There are 2 kinds of non stealth people.

1st kind: The people that out themselves to genuinely help the community & dont make a big fuzz over people that choose to live stealth.  To those people I applaud & theyve got my total respect.

2nd kind: The frustrated kind that wanna be stealth but cant because either they dont pass or transitioned old, so the only thing they do is spend their time insulting the people that live stealth by saying things like sneaky, in the closet, dishonest.  To those folks I say.


No wonder stealth people dont like you and then youve got the nerve to play the victim & say they dont want to be near you?  heh if your animosity towards them is that bad & so obvious on an internet website, of course they wouldnt want you to be near them in real life either.  Ill tell you what.  Keep up the bs & the few people that still appreciate you are going to throw you under the bus too & when that happens, its going to be your fault, no one elses.  Shame on you! stop playing the victim & get over it. It doesnt work anymore!

Not to be in anybody's defense or anything like that but the malice of some of the non stealth people you talk about is very understandable.  It's got to be very frustrating to have transitioned old in life, destroyed your marriage as a man, put your children & wife through your own misery, finished transition with FFS, GRS et all & not be able to pass in simple situations like a mere credit check when buying something or a conversation with other natal females.  If I were in a similar situation, I'd be bitter too, so yea it's sad but understandable.
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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: Valentina on November 18, 2009, 05:36:23 AM
Not to be in anybody's defense or anything like that but the malice of some of the non stealth people you talk about is very understandable.  It's got to be very frustrating to have transitioned old in life, destroyed your marriage as a man, put your children & wife through your own misery, finished transition with FFS, GRS et all & not be able to pass in simple situations like a mere credit check when buying something or a conversation with other natal females.  If I were in a similar situation, I'd be bitter too, so yea it's sad but understandable.

Thanks for returning the topic back to the original thread..

I agree there is a certain amount of 'stealth bashing' going on and instead of well wishes for those who have managed to achieve what they set out to achieve. It's often met with negitivity from those who may have let their male development go on far too long before they came to a decision..

There are also those who cannot pass and regret not transitioning it sooner like yourself who do do not have any malace towards those who are sucessful. But No one should be under fire whatever their circumstances may be and we should all except each other for what we are.
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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taru

Quote from: Yvonne on November 18, 2009, 03:55:28 AM
There are 2 kinds of non stealth people.

1st kind: The people that out themselves to genuinely help the community & dont make a big fuzz over people that choose to live stealth.  To those people I applaud & theyve got my total respect.

2nd kind: The frustrated kind that wanna be stealth but cant because either they dont pass or transitioned old, so the only thing they do is spend their time insulting the people that live stealth by saying things like sneaky, in the closet, dishonest.  To those folks I say.

Actually there are lots of different kinds of people who are not stealth.

Some people may just adapt a policy where they will answer if asked but not yell things out.

Some people may live in countries where not all identification can be updated to a total stealth.

I think much of the animosity originates from the "if you are not stealth you don't pass well or have /male/ habits" rubbish that some people seem to advocate.
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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: lexshue on November 18, 2009, 06:39:27 AM
Actually there are lots of different kinds of people who are not stealth.

Some people may just adapt a policy where they will answer if asked but not yell things out.

Some people may live in countries where not all identification can be updated to a total stealth.

I think much of the animosity originates from the "if you are not stealth you don't pass well or have /male/ habits" rubbish that some people seem to advocate.

So there's definitely two camps here and I doubt they will ever see eyes to eye unfortunitely.
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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The None Blonde

There will always be two camps really.
Muppets that think they are stealth are the main ones that insult and belittle non stealth people.... If one were truely stealth, they really wouldnt care to insult trans people, and in real life, being near a trans person wouldnt matter.... if one is that passable to be stealth, its not going to out you... whats the drama?

There are lots of reasons to be out, I know a few, not all, but nearly all are valid and the person's own choice...

The big thing here, is that living, is our own perogative. None of us have the right to comment on another's way of living.... come on guys... its a tad hypocritical here of all places? We ought to concentrate on sensible things.... like uh, boots!
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xsocialworker

Maryanne Forrester and Lafayette are minor characters in the book. 

But back to stealth, imagining being at work as a guy when your fingers start to elongate and get nail extensions in full view of the other people, just because you got angry. 
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The None Blonde

'Don't make me wear pink... you wouldn't like me when I wear pink...'

Never worked as a guy though.... not quite possible to imagine working as one.
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heatherrose



Quote from: Yvonne on November 18, 2009, 03:55:28 AMtransitioned old

THIS IS THE SECOND TIME YOU HAVE EXPRESSED THIS SENTIMENT, THAT I HAVE BEEN PRIVY TO.
DOES YOUR IGNORANT INEXPERIENCED PRETTY LITTLE BUTT ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT IT IS
IMPOSSIBLE FOR AN OLD TRANSITIONER TO PASS? IF YOU HONESTLY WANT TO KNOW
WHERE THE ANIMOSITY TOWARD "STEALTH" INDIVIDUALS ORIGINATES?
A GOOD START WOULD TO BE TO LOOK IN YOUR OWN GOD DAMN MIRROR.


"I have always wanted to have a neighbor just like you,
I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

So let's make the most of this beautiful day,
Since we're together, we might as well say,
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won't you be my neighbor?" - Fred Rogers
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K8

Please excuse me, Yvonne.  I don't mean to pick on you.  There are hundreds of examples of this on this forum and yours was the easiest for me to find.  There are parts of your statement that I agree with, but I would like to talk a little about how I receive it because I think a lot of this "argument" is how various people receive the statements of others.

Quote from: Yvonne on November 18, 2009, 03:55:28 AM
The antipathy of the non stealth peeps towards the stealth people is so obvious that it makes me sick to my stomach.  Its so disgusting that I want to throw up but lets not paint everybody with the same brush.

There are 2 kinds of non stealth people.

1st kind: The people that out themselves to genuinely help the community & dont make a big fuzz over people that choose to live stealth.  To those people I applaud & theyve got my total respect.

2nd kind: The frustrated kind that wanna be stealth but cant because either they dont pass or transitioned old, so the only thing they do is spend their time insulting the people that live stealth by saying things like sneaky, in the closet, dishonest.  To those folks I say.

No wonder stealth people dont like you and then youve got the nerve to play the victim & say they dont want to be near you?  heh if your animosity towards them is that bad & so obvious on an internet website, of course they wouldnt want you to be near them in real life either.  Ill tell you what.  Keep up the bs & the few people that still appreciate you are going to throw you under the bus too & when that happens, its going to be your fault, no one elses.  Shame on you! stop playing the victim & get over it. It doesnt work anymore!

I am one of the oldest people on this forum.  I finally admitted to myself that I am transsexual at the age of 65.  I have seen lots of criticism, both explicit and implied, of people like me who take a long time to work through our issues.

I was 9 when news of Christine Jorgensen hit the press.  I was 23 when Harry Benjamin published his book "The Transsexual Phenomenon", in which he coined the word "transsexual".  I was 26 when Stanley Biber performed his first sex-change operation.

With no internet, I finally found information on the process of becoming one's true gender when I was 40.  Information was very hard to find and I was shy and repressed.  I didn't have the inner or external resources needed for transition, and so I convinced myself I was just a cross-dresser.  Finally, this year I began dealing with being TS.

It is true that younger people have to overcome less masculinization – both physical and social.  Young people are growing up with more knowledge and understanding and acceptance of transsexualism.  Younger people should have an easier time of assimilating (going stealth) than older people.  All true.

However, as I see my body change from the hormones, as I unlearn how to be a man, as I peel away the layers and layers of socialization, I have hope that one day I will be complete and be able to live my life as I truly am.

I am not particularly feminine looking.  My voice is recognized as male about half the time on the telephone.  I have over 60 years of habits I am trying to shed.  But gradually, incrementally, slowly, the people around me see me more and more as a woman – even those who knew me before. 

I would be completely surprised if I ever achieve stealth, but statements that imply I have no chance are not helpful to me.

I'm sorry to be so touchy.  I'm still early in my transition.  This is something I've wanted since I was 3, so I'm probably too sensitive about it.  I don't see myself as a victim but as someone who has been given many wonderful opportunities, including the chance to finally live as me.  I ask only that as much as possible we are all somewhat sensitive to the fact that each of our situations is different.

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Janet_Girl

I have stayed out of this debate, because there is no sense in beating a dead horse.  And as one of the dreaded "Older" transitioners, I will say good for the younger ones who did not face what the "older" ones have.

Having said that.  The next attack, ether towards a younger transitioner or an older transitioner will result in a warning being issued for a violation of rules 4, 10 and 11.


Janet
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tekla

Pretty funny, considering that no one is getting any younger.  You have two choices, get old, or die young.  Choose wisely.

And, in my own way I always thought it was easier when you get old, people pay far less attention to you in a youth driven culture.

FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Hannah

Excuse me, we were trying to talk about vampires, the stealthiest of all creatures. I go to bed laughing about Lafayette and his Aids burger and wake up to  >:(

How wonderful is it that things have advanced to the point medically and socially that people are able to transition younger and younger. I didn't know it was even possible until lately and I started as soon as I could get a doctor to cooperate (ok, a little before I admit). The fact is it wasn't hard to get a doctor to cooperate, the meds are safer, the procedures more refined and society more tolerant while I go from normal boy to freaky it and back to normal girl. It doesn't have to take into someone 40+ years anymore and that's really something to be greatful for. Setting aside the physical for a moment, those who are transitioning younger don't have to suffer as long, or drag children and spouses through it.

I thank the wind every day that I learned about hrt and transition when I did and not 20 years from now, not because of the physical advantages but because of the pain relief.


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Bellaon7

Quote from: Becca on November 18, 2009, 11:45:39 AM
Excuse me, we were trying to talk about vampires, the stealthiest of all creatures. I go to bed laughing about Lafayette and his Aids burger and wake up to  >:(

How wonderful is it that things have advanced to the point medically and socially that people are able to transition younger and younger. I didn't know it was even possible until lately and I started as soon as I could get a doctor to cooperate (ok, a little before I admit). The fact is it wasn't hard to get a doctor to cooperate, the meds are safer, the procedures more refined and society more tolerant while I go from normal boy to freaky it and back to normal girl. It doesn't have to take into someone 40+ years anymore and that's really something to be greatful for. Setting aside the physical for a moment, those who are transitioning younger don't have to suffer as long, or drag children and spouses through it.

I thank the wind every day that I learned about hrt and transition when I did and not 20 years from now, not because of the physical advantages but because of the pain relief.
I agree, these vamps are indeed the most secret stealth. How old do you have to be at first bite?

Post Merge: November 18, 2009, 02:12:34 PM

Quote from: Becca on November 18, 2009, 11:45:39 AM
Excuse me, we were trying to talk about vampires, the stealthiest of all creatures. I go to bed laughing about Lafayette and his Aids burger and wake up to  >:(

How wonderful is it that things have advanced to the point medically and socially that people are able to transition younger and younger. I didn't know it was even possible until lately and I started as soon as I could get a doctor to cooperate (ok, a little before I admit). The fact is it wasn't hard to get a doctor to cooperate, the meds are safer, the procedures more refined and society more tolerant while I go from normal boy to freaky it and back to normal girl. It doesn't have to take into someone 40+ years anymore and that's really something to be greatful for. Setting aside the physical for a moment, those who are transitioning younger don't have to suffer as long, or drag children and spouses through it.

I thank the wind every day that I learned about hrt and transition when I did and not 20 years from now, not because of the physical advantages but because of the pain relief.

Post Merge: November 18, 2009, 12:13:07 PM

Quote from: Becca on November 18, 2009, 11:45:39 AM
Excuse me, we were trying to talk about vampires, the stealthiest of all creatures. I go to bed laughing about Lafayette and his Aids burger and wake up to  >:(

How wonderful is it that things have advanced to the point medically and socially that people are able to transition younger and younger. I didn't know it was even possible until lately and I started as soon as I could get a doctor to cooperate (ok, a little before I admit). The fact is it wasn't hard to get a doctor to cooperate, the meds are safer, the procedures more refined and society more tolerant while I go from normal boy to freaky it and back to normal girl. It doesn't have to take into someone 40+ years anymore and that's really something to be greatful for. Setting aside the physical for a moment, those who are transitioning younger don't have to suffer as long, or drag children and spouses through it.

I thank the wind every day that I learned about hrt and transition when I did and not 20 years from now, not because of the physical advantages but because of the pain relief.
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Hannah

Well, I'd say early 30's for best results. Lestat turned a child and that didn't end well for either of them, and poor Jessica the vampire keeps regrowing her hymen.
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Bellaon7

#199
Maybe if those of us who are really, really old like me, I will be almost 40 very soon, can pose naked for our own calander to help fund our efforts in our search for the secret stealth.

Post Merge: November 18, 2009, 07:32:17 PM

You know that Hoover Round comercial with the old people on their HR's at the edge of the Grand Canyon, didn't you  feel like going up behind one of em' & just pushing em' right over the edge & watch them helplessly bounce off the side of the canyon wall?

Post Merge: November 18, 2009, 05:32:33 PM



Post Merge: November 18, 2009, 04:39:40 PM

If two people with the secret stealth go out in public together do they risk the secret stealth, even if they're different ages?
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