Quote from: lilacwoman on February 15, 2010, 03:20:34 PM
[quote author=... Petite even, Having searched this 'BRSS' you speak of im at a loss to comprehend your comment, or any logic behind it.


Shrinkage seems fairly typical of MtFs and the BRSS effect will make lesbians chunkier but of course natal females are slimmer than males anyways so a lot of lesbians won't show obvious signs of BRSS.  But as I'm LGBT head of my department and get to go to LGBT conferences thet chinkiness of lesbians is indisputable.  And as I've been in contact with various MtF over maybe 10 years they almost all agree that they have shrunk.
Just today I was at hospital to see endocrinologist for my 6 monthly and we got to discussing my hormone regime and he said quite categorically that too much estrogen gets convereted into testosterone in me and the same thing happens with women on HRT which is why the doctors are wary of prescribing and now do it in msaller doses than when it first seemed a fad - women started having DVT, strokes, heart problems and breast problems so the dosages were reduced.
Logically neither males nor female should be taking the opposite sex's hormones except as naturally pass during sex.

Where are you getting this? Ive searched extensively for this BRSS effect, and cannot find it, nevermind how lesbian women somehow are 'chunkier'  indisputably...

Also, Surplus e being converted to T is a trans urban legend. and False. Surplus estrogen is simply metabolised and passed.... where do you think premarin comes from?

Your quote is... conveluted, and quite honestly has very little logical train within...

most of the information is old, and disproven, highly.

I'm still baffled by this BRSS and how lesbians = chunky.... what the potato?

Bindel Raymond Stein Syndrome ...

Bindel-Raymond-Stein-Syndrome. This is the subtle and unrecognised and unacknowldeged masculinisng of a female brain by constant intake of estrogen or testosterone derived as reaction to estrogen that is responsible for BRSS people to become such extrme examples of the vindictive lesbian as Bindel-Raymond-Stein so obvioulsy are.

-http://intersexnews.blogspot.com/2009/02/open-letter-to-members-of-wpath-about.html

  This is only thing I could find and notice the unproven part as well as the bad spelling.

wtf
Lesbians, chunky? I met so many lesbians which are slim and with great bodies.
I also met gays which are not feminine looking and whatever.. O_o

I still doubt my height loss, I saw another measuring of me before HRT which was about 164cm.
Estrogen converted to Testosterone? no, more like the other way around.
My Testosterone is like 0.2 ng/ml (or was it ng/dl?, anyhow really low. And estrogen dowse is quite high.

Not all those who start late are big built, some pass as really slender women, it is a lot of luck. Question is what's more common.
And about lesbians, it might be more likely for sterotypes to be more extrovert about it and in communities while those who look normal might be comfortable more, just like in the trans community. You go if you need the support or social group.

I have actually grown in height while on estradiol, but mine is not a typical MtF situation, in that I started with really, really low levels of testosterone due to my hypogonadism.

As for lesbians being "chunky," which lesbians, and according to whom? Many of the young dykes I know are amazingly skinny - hipster-skinny. One of my best dyke friends is a total string bean - she looks like an overgrown little boy, and she's 26!

This thread is kind of lol. We went from comparing one tape measure reading to another  You people are getting shorter because the gigantic breasts that you grew as you win the so-called "genetic lottery" are making you hunch. I mean, really.

Chunky lesbians, I dare ya to say it to their faces!

I'm a bit pudgy.

But I'll bet I can still hit like a boy....   

Quote from: Becca on February 16, 2010, 08:36:38 PM
This thread is kind of lol. We went from comparing one tape measure reading to another  You people are getting shorter because the gigantic breasts that you grew as you win the so-called "genetic lottery" are making you hunch. I mean, really.

We've given scientific reasoning. This happens, and its a fairly logical reason why. No need to scoff and moan a bout it.... Stop trying to throw ->-bleeped-<-r than thou about by suggesting something frankly leud.... As for breasts? you're about as relevant to this topic as lilacwoman's chunky lesbians.

Lordkat: thanks... couldnt find that, not suprised i guess... seems obscure, and utter garbage tbh.

Well I am surprised after being away from my post on this subject for a couple of days that it has turned into a debate on butch lesbians. Well there are some and some are petite and everything in between, come on peps get a life.

Well I spoke to my gender consultant this week and he said its not possible to be osteoporosis with my level of estrogen and I have no other symptoms that would associate it with the above. I have an appointment with my doctor next week just for some scientific tests to be on the safe side but I'm not expecting anything to turn up except I am smaller by nearly two inches. At a previous hight of 5ft 6inches I was not particularly bothered about my hight but at 5ft 4inces I feel a little small now. Especially with other transwomen I know that now tower over me.

I hate high heels and have always worn fairly flat shoes and I can't see me wearing anything else. I started this post because I too was curious if there were other transwoman had lose of hight due to their hormonal treatment. It appears to me that there are some who have, even among transwomen that I know in other support groups. Now what is happening is another question and maybe needs scientific analysis to establish the cause. I suppose there may be someone out there interested in this subject. This is my last word on the subject and I will have to live with my new hight.

Stardust   

I thought this whole shrinking idea was ridiculous, especially before reading on to the sciency posts.  I went ahead and measured myself and found that I am absolutely 3/4" shorter than I was 6 months ago, with definitely no mis-measurement involved.  o.O!

Now to lost a couple more?

Quote from: Jen on February 19, 2010, 10:50:29 PM
I thought this whole shrinking idea was ridiculous, especially before reading on to the sciency posts.  I went ahead and measured myself and found that I am absolutely 3/4" shorter than I was 6 months ago, with definitely no mis-measurement involved.  o.O!

Now to lost a couple more?

Hi Jen, I told you so, lol 2 inches seems to be the average amount of hight that some transwomen loose. I have heard of one who lost 2 1/2 inches.

Stardust

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Also, Surplus e being converted to T is a trans urban legend. and False. Surplus estrogen is simply metabolised and passed.... where do you think premarin comes from?
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well in your neck of the wood sit may be a legend but this very Monday I had appointmnet with endocrinologist and he told me that there was no use taking more estro because.........it gets converted to testo!
of course he's only an endo so what does he know?
premairn comes from ponies which have four legs..so obviously they pee out excess estro

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[quote author=stardustower .Now what is happening is another question and maybe needs scientific analysis to establish the cause. I suppose there may be someone out there interested in this subject. This is my last word on the subject and I will have to live with my new hight.

Stardust   
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the scientific explanation is the shrinkage of all the connective tissues as muscles turn to fat...the bones stay the same.

and while we're on the subject of weak bones I had a MRI csan for bone density tow years ago as part of my transition and the density was fine...then a few days later I tested it practically by slipping on snow...wnet down with a great thump right on my hip bone so I know how older women break theirs

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Quote from: Becca on February 16, 2010, 08:36:38 PM

Chunky lesbians, I dare ya to say it to their faces!

my job entails sitying on hte LGBT committee and the lesbians are quite happy to be called chunky...especially the ones with moustaches from estro-derived-testo poisoning.

Quote from: lilacwoman on February 20, 2010, 03:01:53 PM
the scientific explanation is the shrinkage of all the connective tissues as muscles turn to fat...the bones stay the same.

Hi, just a thought then. Is there any correlation between the muscles turning to fat and breast growth as most of the growth in breast tissue is fat and the redistribution of that fat to the female areas of the body. So those who have reduced in hight have they also seen better breast growth than others that have not shrunk in hight?

Stardust 

at 6'5, I certainly hope I'll go through some shrinkage.  Being tall is a curse .

Quote from: stardust on February 21, 2010, 06:04:57 PM
Hi, just a thought then. Is there any correlation between the muscles turning to fat and breast growth Stardust

Not with me...I wasn't so muscular but did have a bit above average top muscles from operating machines...but once I got on estrogen they slipped all the way to my hips...I have lovely soft padded hips now and last pair of male jears I'd hung on to were about 4 inches short of meeting when I finally threw them out.
To get boobs I had to have implants.

Quote from: lilacwoman on February 20, 2010, 03:01:53 PM
my job entails sitying on hte LGBT committee and the lesbians are quite happy to be called chunky...especially the ones with moustaches from estro-derived-testo poisoning.

Uh.... Ok.... why, perchance, would lesbians, of all people, express this then? Why not any woman, or are you saying sleeping with other women makes women more male? if you are, that committee chair wont last long

Quote from: LordKAT on February 16, 2010, 11:53:07 AM
Bindel Raymond Stein Syndrome ...This is only thing I could find and notice the unproven part as well as the bad spelling.

That rings a bell but the article I saw ages ago was a long one with lots of numbers of estrogen and testosterone levels dffering in lesbians.

Quote from: stardust on February 21, 2010, 06:04:57 PM
Hi, just a thought then. Is there any correlation between the muscles turning to fat and breast growth as most of the growth in breast tissue is fat and the redistribution of that fat to the female areas of the body. So those who have reduced in hight have they also seen better breast growth than others that have not shrunk in hight?

Stardust

it probably comes down to genes as usual but i cant complain at my height lose and breast growth at all, everyone thinks ive had a boob job (thats nov) but it is validing to hear.

i posted ages before i was once 5,5" now im under 5,3" so make of that whatever you can i guess i feel hrt helped though

It would be interesting to have some proper monitored medical data on possible height loss?

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on February 22, 2010, 11:24:51 AM
It would be interesting to have some proper monitored medical data on possible height loss?

May be you can start a survey to see how many of us on this site have shrunk. Just by the asking people to click on something to register whether they have shrunk or not. I haven't the time.

Stardust

Good idea legallyblonde... but then again not many do much medical research into transitional stuff... just the why, not the how. I think its highly likely it happens to most to varying degrees. Hormonal receptability is a big factor, not everyone's pelvis rotates quite to the same degree in all females or males, and for some , hrt has little effect, so not much change... I suspect its like all things, some do, some dont.