My curves are mostly gone, too. Not like I had much to begin with.

Hey, just as an aside: are hormones really a life-long thing?

if so, is there such a thing as taking them just to achieve the permanent changes (the voice and the facial hair, I think it was) if you don't want to commit to them forever? would that be worth it at all?

just curious. thanks.

sex hormones are lifelong. If you have natural E then you can stop the T and be OK. If not , you will need one of the hormones from an outside source.

Quote from: LordKAT on April 28, 2010, 06:21:04 AM
sex hormones are lifelong. If you have natural E then you can stop the T and be OK. If not , you will need one of the hormones from an outside source.

what's natural E, if you don't mind?

The estrogen your body produces on its own. The production shuts down after some time on T, but starts up again if you stop (thus maintaining bone health, but also reversing some of the temporary masculinizing effects).

If you have an oophorectomy, you'll no longer be able to produce hormones naturally, and T or female HRT becomes a medical requirement for you.

Quote from: kyril on April 28, 2010, 06:50:05 AM
The estrogen your body produces on its own. The production shuts down after some time on T, but starts up again if you stop (thus maintaining bone health, but also reversing some of the temporary masculinizing effects).

If you have an oophorectomy, you'll no longer be able to produce hormones naturally, and T or female HRT becomes a medical requirement for you.

ahh, very good to know. ->-bleeped-<-, you're knowledgeable! thanks.

do you perchance know the time it would take to effect the permanent changes?

usually within the first 2 years

Quote from: LordKAT on April 28, 2010, 07:00:35 AM
usually within the first 2 years

cheers!

Quote from: jimmymot on April 28, 2010, 06:10:52 AM
Hey, just as an aside: are hormones really a life-long thing?

if so, is there such a thing as taking them just to achieve the permanent changes (the voice and the facial hair, I think it was) if you don't want to commit to them forever? would that be worth it at all?

Some people who start and then stop say that some of the so-called permanent changes are affected to an extent. I have no experience with this myself.

Back when I was busy equivocating for my then-partner, I considered taking T for maybe six months, mainly for the voice, and then stopping. That's the right choice for some guys, but I'm definitely not one of them. I kept it in mind as a possibility; but about five or six weeks in, I suddenly realized that it wasn't going to happen. The longer I'm on it, the more this is true. Whenever anyone says something about stopping and starting, I get one of those "from my cold, dead hands" moments.

I think I'm hooked. Better cast me in one of those public service videos about the dangers of controlled substances.

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Quote from: LordKAT on April 28, 2010, 07:00:35 AM
usually within the first 2 years

Although if you're lookin' for chest hair, it could take considerably longer. Or not happen at all.

Quote from: Arch on April 26, 2010, 05:01:57 PMIt used to faintly disturb me--and it still does--to see a man with an ample belly who wore his pants at the waist. Now I see why it bothers me--he seems to be dressing like a woman.

I know... except it bothers me greatly. It also makes them look like a nerd as well. A wussy, fat nerd. We have a guy here who wears his pants that way but he's a dorky bastard anyway.

Quote from: Arch on April 28, 2010, 02:46:05 PM
Some people who start and then stop say that some of the so-called permanent changes are affected to an extent. I have no experience with this myself.

Back when I was busy equivocating for my then-partner, I considered taking T for maybe six months, mainly for the voice, and then stopping. That's the right choice for some guys, but I'm definitely not one of them. I kept it in mind as a possibility; but about five or six weeks in, I suddenly realized that it wasn't going to happen. The longer I'm on it, the more this is true. Whenever anyone says something about stopping and starting, I get one of those "from my cold, dead hands" moments.

I think I'm hooked. Better cast me in one of those public service videos about the dangers of controlled substances.

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Although if you're lookin' for chest hair, it could take considerably longer. Or not happen at all.

Hahaha. I know all about the dangers of controlled substances!!

It is mostly for the voice that I am interested in taking it temporarily. My voice is semi-low for a female but still too high for my liking. especially when im anxious. lol.

as Arch says, once you start, you may not want to stop.

I agree with the "once you start you may not want to stop" thing.  I was planning on going on T for awhile mostly to lower my voice and grow my man parts a bit and then stop after that, but after being on it for just over a week, I don't think I want to stop.  I'm loving the changing of face shape I'm seeing and surprisingly now that's changed to one of my primary goals, and that'll go away if I stop.  I always want the beard now, and that'll take years on T to really come in and thicken up.  Plus I just love the way it makes me feel.  Especially now that I'll have a job and will be able to afford it (something that wasn't certain when I first started), I want to keep on it forever.

Quote from: Devin87 on April 30, 2010, 07:54:25 AMI always want the beard now, and that'll take years on T to really come in and thicken up. 

I kept telling myself that I didn't want facial hair, didn't want facial hair, didn't care about that...well, my ex didn't want me to get furry.

Then just a few weeks into HRT, I'm hanging out in the lounge with some friends, and out of the blue, I say, "I want facial hair."

It's still light and it's still patchy and it's still wispy. Urgh. And I curse my blondness.

GROW, dammit!!!

Yeah, I'm lucky in that what I already have is dark and kinda thick (thicker than the hair on my arms or legs, but not as thick as my father's beard).  I'm lucky and that from my PCOS I've already got pretty decent sideburns (which I shave twice a week since right now they just make me look like a hairy woman, which I don't want to be seen as).  I want to try just a nice, neat little chin patch and maybe a mustache.  Mostly I want the facial hair so I can shave it off, though.  I'm a total classic gentleman-- as soon as I have enough hair to justify it (or maybe before...) I'm buying a classic straight razor shaving kit with shaving soap that I whip up in a mug and a strop and all that fun stuff.

I've got a question, too.  I know a lot of people talk about skin changes on T and I can't really vouch for anything like that so far since a few days after starting T I just happened to get all sunburnt, which is making my skin all messed up on its own, but now I'm noticing that my face is feeling almost waxy.  Does that have anything to do with the T?

Damn, I can't wait for facial hair! I've got some rough stuff under my chin and I feel like a pubescent boy counting his face hairs. "I've got a beard, can't you see, it's right there!" (looks under microscope)

My partners just told me she doesn't like beards and moustaches  i'm totally devastated. But she says i can let it grow just once so i can see what it looks like

Hi all,
I'm new here

I have been on T for about 15 years and from what I remember I started to notice slight changes after about 8-10 weeks.....such as voice deepening, no more periods......it was great
After a few months the facial hair started to come in very light  I didn't have much for hips to begin with so there wasn't a big change there. My face shape started to become noticible after at least 6 months or so.
Now 15 years later I have a great looking mustache and goatee, I moved away after I had some surgeries to start a new life, people I work with and friends have no idea I was born female.
One thing I notice that T has done to me is made me a more aggressive person, that was to be expected.
If you were to pass by me you wouldn't take a second look and wonder, it took a couple years being on T to get that result.

Take it easy,

Waynerob

QuoteI'm noticing that my face is feeling almost waxy.  Does that have anything to do with the T?

Yes  It is the excess oil starting to make its appearance.

Quote from: LordKAT on April 30, 2010, 11:53:51 PMYes  It is the excess oil starting to make its appearance.

I was hoping that my lifelong eczema/dry skin/allergies would miraculously disappear, but they haven't. My hair is a bit oilier, and my forehead and my nose and my chin get oily, but that's it. I guess you can't have everything.

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Quote from: waynerob on April 30, 2010, 10:34:22 PMNow 15 years later I have a great looking mustache and goatee

Hi, Waynerob.

Every time I see or hear the word "goatee," I remember a student essay that I had to grade years and years ago. It was one of those idiotic "remembered person" essays (I wisely took it off the syllabus the very next term). The student kept talking about some friend or relative who had a "goaty." I couldn't make sense of it for the longest time and thought the guy had a pet goat or something. Sort of an exotic pet, like a potbellied pig.

Spell check fail.

Now I'll never be able to grow one without laughing. Goatee, I mean.