Looking over a list on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgyne saw a few familiar faces.

What do you think. We can expand the list also.

Disclaimer:
I will let you judge for yourself which of these is androgynous looking, and which might have psychological androgyne gender identity. Or who might not even belong on this list. Or who else might belong on this list.

Acting
Jaye Davidson from crying game/stargate
Grace Jones
Tilda Swinton scheming angel Gabriel in Constantine, White Witch Jadis, in the film version of The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, title role in Orlando
Rodrigo Santoro as Xerxes in 300
Daniela Sea  L-word NEW

Artist
Claude Cahun, born  Lucy Schwob a French photographer and writer. Often played with the concepts of gender and sexuality.NEW

Author
Quentin Crisp was an English writer, artist's model, actor and raconteur known for hir memorable and insightful witticisms.
George Sand the pseudonym of the French novelist and feminist Amantine-Lucile-Aurore Dupin, later Baroness Dudevant
Susan Powter "stop the insanity"
Kate Bornstein is an author, playwright and performance artist. Gender Outlaw, Nearly Roadkill (coauthored with Caitlin Sullivan) and My Gender Workbook.NEW
Ricki Wilchins The author of Read My Lips, GenderQueer, and Queer Theory/Gender Theory.NEW
B.C. Holmes 60/40 Computer Programmer , Fiction writing , and theory/commentary writer.NEW

Old West Frontiersperson
Martha Jane Canary-Burke, better known as Calamity Jane NEW

Television
Anne Robinson- Host of "The Weakest Link"
Ellen Degeneres- Host of "Ellen" and Comedian

Politician
Hermann Göring

Philosopher
Sandra Bem NEW
Aynn Rand NEW


Music
David Bowie
Boy George
Davey Havok Lead singer of AFI
Michael Jackson
Annie Lennox
Marilyn Manson
Shirley Ann Manson lead singer of Garbage
Robert Smith lead singer of the Cure
k.d. lang
Prince
Pete Burns lead singer of Dead or Alive
Brian Molko lead singer of Placebo
Patti Smith
Marc Bolan, lead singer of T.Rex
Ola Salo, lead singer of The Ark
Venus Grandell, lead singer of the Minneapolis dark glam band,
     All the Pretty Horses.NEW


Japanese Androgynes
Mana from Malice Mizer
Izam of Shazna
Shinya of Dir en grey
Toshiya of Dir en grey
Gackt of Malice Mizer
Yoshiki of X japan
Vox of Kaggra

It's quite an interesting list. I really love the picture of Annie Lennox. She lets her body be the point and her clothes become the counterpoint. That's what I'm trying to do, male body with female clothes. Which is why I like to skip the breastforms and makeup but let my hair grow.

I can see that in my mind working great.

Since making this list I have really been taken by AFI. I listened to many of their songs and really like it. Something I havent listened to before. I like their mixture of styles. From almost savage garden style to the cure/dead or alive style to screaming goth style. Thats probably 2 more that should be on the list, cure and dead or alive.

Add one for the count: Brian Molko from Placebo

Brian identifies as an androgyne openly.

I always liked Patti Smith's androgynous expression.

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Izam of Shazna

Shinya of Dir en grey

Toshiya of Dir en grey

Gackt of Malice Mizer

Yoshiki of X japan

I could go on and on, but I won't.

Google Images is your friend.

Yeah Mana is smoken, also check Moi dix mois(Mana's new band)

Oh yeah the lead vox for Kagrra, not bad.

Yeah so its a bit japanese, sue me.

Added the suggestions to the top list. Put japanese ones together for now because I wanted to make a topic talking about japanese culture, and androgynous right now also. Will put a link to it here when I do it, since I think some of the info is pretty cool.

Ok just finished the post at https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,6637.0.html called "Japanese Androgynous".

Marc Bolan, lead singer of T.Rex
Ola Salo, lead singer of The Ark

Ok added those two , and then sort of categorized them all into acting, music, author, and japanese

Feel free to add more suggestions.

Hermann Göring

added a few more names

Quote from: Kate Alice on October 24, 2006, 02:06:00 AM
Hermann Göring

Messed up, but true.

I think ayn rand?

Calamity Jane (Martha Jane Cannary)
Gertrude stein & alice B. Toklas?  - I'm uncertain. I saw some androgynous pictures, but don't know enough about them.


Also, I'm not sure if I'm confusing androgynes with cross-dressers.
I'm going to find more.

I suspect Calamity Jane was a pre-op FtM where 'pre-op' means, 'before anybody invented any kind of medical intervention for transsexuals'. I think the same of George Sand, though Sand did dress as a woman fairly regularly.

Notable missing person from the list: Quentin Crisp.

I don't know if Ayn Rand belongs on that list.  Everything I know about her indicates that she was quite fine with being a woman.

All Androgynes are psychologically androgynous, but not all androgynous-looking people are Androgynes.

Let us not confuse physical androgyny (how one appears) with Androgyne (the gender identity). There is a BIG difference between superficial appearance and gender! Most of the people on the above list do not possess an Androgyne gender identity. Androgynes do not necessarily look androgynous. In fact, it is a rare Androgyne who is also androgynous-looking.

Most of the people on the list above are of androgynous appearance. A great number are simply entertainers. Several are gay or lesbian. Some are transgender. Many, if not most, are Cisgender. Very few have the psychological gender identity of Androgyne.

Hermann Göring was a sharp dresser, known for his extravagant tastes and garish clothing, but there is no evidence of an Androgyne gender identity, nor did he look androgynous. George Sand WAS a woman, a French novelist. Amantine-Lucile-Aurore Dupin took on the pseudonym as a writer. She did appear publicly in menswear though! Quintin Crisp was a gay man and a gay icon of the 1970s, who dressed with much flair, reminiscent of Truman Capote. With the possible exception of Dupin, none of these were Androgynes.

-Emerald 

People often say that George Sand was a woman who took a male pen name to get published and wore men's clothes because they were 'more practical,' but I believe Sand has been misrepresented by biographers who don't comprehend or care about gender-issues. A number of things written about Sand by Sand's friends indicate that they understood Sand to be a man who had a female body and was sometimes or frequently a woman.

Most his life Quentin Crisp identified himself as a gay man and claimed that his flamboyant feminine-but-not-female dress and makeup was an effort to be easily publically identifed as gay. But he also said that he spent a good bit of his childhood swanning about singing, "Today I am a beautiful princess," and that if he'd tried to 'act like a man' people would not have believed it, and in later years he described himself as "an elderly foreigner of dubious gender."

Who knows. They're both dead so we can't ask them, but seems like they were androgynes to me.

Certainly one cannot know unless they simply state how they feel. All one can do that is guess from appearance, mannerism, behavior, news clippings, or writings. I am not judging who on this list is psychologically androgyne, who is just androgynous dressing, nor trying to guess what they thought. Just listing people with at least some androgynous connection, where they break some sort of gender norm in some way thats somewhat nonpolar gender, weither their gender is real or unknown, or possibly a front doesnt matter to me.

Absolutely even physical androgyny is something that falls under this section as well, although is not for everyone.

Having said that, we can use some more writers added to the list.

Kendall

Quote from: Doc on May 25, 2007, 08:54:58 PM
I suspect Calamity Jane was a pre-op FtM where 'pre-op' means, 'before anybody invented any kind of medical intervention for transsexuals'. I think the same of George Sand, though Sand did dress as a woman fairly regularly.

Notable missing person from the list: Quentin Crisp.

   You know, it would be very interesting to see what some of these larger than life historical people would do if given the opportunities available to them today. I can see Calamity Jane taking T and riding a Harley.

Quote from: Ken/Kendra on May 26, 2007, 06:44:36 PM
Certainly one cannot know unless they simply state how they feel. All one can do that is guess from appearance, mannerism, behavior, news clippings, or writings. I am not judging who on this list is psychologically androgyne, who is just androgynous dressing, nor trying to guess what they thought. Just listing people with at least some androgynous connection, where they break some sort of gender norm in some way thats somewhat nonpolar gender, weither their gender is real or unknown, or possibly a front doesnt matter to me.

Absolutely even physical androgyny is something that falls under this section as well, although is not for everyone.

Having said that, we can use some more writers added to the list.

Kendall

I believe it is important to understand that outward androgyny is not equivalent to having an internal Androgyne gender identity. The title of this thread "Some famous androgynes" is erroneous and misleading. To expand it to include "at least some androgynous connection, where they break some sort of gender norm in some way thats somewhat nonpolar gender, weither their gender is real or unknown, or possibly a front" would be a mighty long and bazaar list indeed! Just the number of glam rockers would be extensive!

But we can, and perhaps should, realize the list above can be divided into two groups - People who look androgynous, & People who have (or might have had) an Androgyne gender identity.

I think George Sand and Calamity Jane would qualify as Androgynes.
Annie Lennox is beautifully and naturally androgynous, but not an Androgyne.
Michael Jackson could be thought androgynous, but due only to his multiple surgeries.
I don't believe Hermann Göring or Ayn Rand belong on either list.
And Eddie Izzard, there's an interesting soul! Being a Crossdresser does not make him androgynous or an Androgyne. He is, in his own words, an "executive ->-bleeped-<-" who simply enjoys wearing make-up and clothing which is traditionally perceived in the West as female-only.

-Emerald

QuoteBut we can, and perhaps should, realize the list above can be divided into two groups - People who look androgynous, & People who have (or might have had) an Androgyne gender identity.

/agree Emerald

You could argue that many butch identified lesbians look androgynous.