I would be delighted if you would tell me any information about rib-cage (thorax) surgery. I am 88cm in circumference of thorax. I dream of being 75cm in circumference. I would be very happy if You gave me any information. I am sending you my deepest gratitude and love,
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Dont mess with the ribs. Theyre there for a reason and you dont want to compress your internal organs to breaking point and develop god knows what else. As someone with a mild case of scoliosis ( that bent back thing) i know the appearence is a killer but you just have to accept it and get on with things.
Maybe theres another angle to take this at? like ƃuıxǝʌ said, try to target fat / muscle to lose some circumference.

Quote from: Metamorph on May 19, 2010, 04:52:21 PM
Dont mess with the ribs. Theyre there for a reason and you dont want to compress your internal organs to breaking point and develop god knows what else. As someone with a mild case of scoliosis ( that bent back thing) i know the appearence is a killer but you just have to accept it and get on with things.
Maybe theres another angle to take this at? like ƃuıxǝʌ said, try to target fat / muscle to lose some circumference.

Have to agree, don't mess with ribs!!!

By the way, I mean to offence when saying this.

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 19, 2010, 04:13:38 PM
Removing the 11th and 12th ribs can give a narrower waist, but the width of the chest is fixed.
Corsetry can also compress the lower ribs over time, but again, this only alters the appearance of the waist.

Is this something that can be done to MtFs to feminise them more?

I don't have much fat and muscles, the thing are BONES. My problems are bones, not fat, not muscles. If I were fat, or very masculine I wouldn't ask for a surgery. Removing 11th and 12th rib doesn't give absolutely anything apart of waistline. I'm talking about size and width of the thorax. I can't absolutely accept it. It's my biggest complex. I am taking hormones for about a year, I look like a woman, but I dress like a man, because of the thorax. If I dress feminine, I look absolutely tremendously unacceptable.

I heard about controlled breaking the ribs, and set the bone once again. I am not asking about reducing the circumference of rib-cage, I am asking about BREAKING bones.

A 34" (88cm) chest is certainly within the normal range for a gg.  My so is a gg and her band is 36, and she does not look masculine at all.  It sounds to me like you are chasing a feminine ideal that is unrealistic for most adult women, trans or otherwise.

I don't want to be an ideal person. I don't want the falsies, big mouth, big ass, etc. I just want to look normally. Does anybody know anything about such surgery?

I'm going to agree with Vexing on this one... It's unlikely you'd find a surgeon that would do this ethically.

I think a good custom corset would be a much easier way to fix big ribs. I plan on getting a good one eventually too.

Quote from: Veera on May 20, 2010, 08:18:56 AM
I don't want to be an ideal person. I don't want the falsies, big mouth, big ass, etc. I just want to look normally. Does anybody know anything about such surgery?

You have been told you are within the range of normal.
You have also been told that such surgery would be dangerous to the point where no licensed doctor could do it and keep his license.

Quote from: Veera on May 20, 2010, 08:18:56 AM
I don't want to be an ideal person. I don't want the falsies, big mouth, big ass, etc. I just want to look normally. Does anybody know anything about such surgery?

I understand where your coming from I have a 33" chest, but you also have to think about he size of your shoulders,If you have broad shoulders a small ribcage may make it more obvious.If you don't like the idea of tightlacing then maybe you should except your rib cage a lot of gg women have wide ribcages.

There are a lot of ways the body can be feminized, but some ways (like breaking bones and starving yourself to the point of consuming your own muscle to reduce your size) are not just dangerous, but can cause long-term harm.

Removing ribs by surgery is one way to make your waist higher and more narrow, but if the rest of your body structure doesn't match that effect, then you end up looking more like a freak of nature than more feminine.  I've found that just having a flat tummy works wonders, esp. in jeans.

Find and consult with a body sculpting (plastic) surgeon, and get a professional opinion of what your best options are to get from where you are to where you want to be--safely.

I really appreciate your posts. But my goal isn't to pass as a woman. Everything looks "normal". The rib-cage doesn't fit my figure. I dream of having 75... I can even get rid of my lung. I'm desperated. The corset could be dangerous for me, because I am sure I will get very frustrated when I won't be able to wear it, because of the small size. Consequently I'll be tightening it, tightening til I faint. Psychologist won't give any effect. I wonder if I want to be woman with 88, and the thing is... No, I can't. I'd rather be dead, I think.

I decided to wait for bigger breast (they grow like 3-4 years, so will se what will happen), and leave longer hair. Maybe it will fix the problem, but I'm not convinced.

then therapy for body image would be, in my humble opinion, the best option to help with self acceptance (as in accept what can't change, work on what can).

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 19, 2010, 05:42:32 PM
Potentially, it will give the appearance a slightly narrower waist - provided that the person doesn't have any (or has very little) abdominal fat. For people with a belly, it would be pointless.

Hmm coming to think of it, such surgery would leave your skin looking horribly scarred and ugly anyway :\

Therapy body image? Haha. It's not like that I'm crying whole day "oh my ribs oh my ribs". I am frustrated and very hateful towards myself when I see my whole body in the mirror. It's just a horrible experience for me.

I will tell You why I don't need therapy. I have very big big hands, and I hate them, they are even bigger than some other males. I accept them because I know nothing can be done. However, I heard about controlled breaking the ribs in order to circumference were smaller. So I am living a hope.

Quote from: Veera on May 20, 2010, 04:02:09 PM
So I am living a hope.

and an unrealistic one at that

looking at images, ideals of beauty, that are unobtainable, is unhealthy at best, destructive at worst.

Quote from: Veera on May 20, 2010, 12:38:15 PM
I wonder if I want to be woman with 88, and the thing is... No, I can't. I'd rather be dead, I think.

I have seen many women who I think have a larger thorax than 88cm. Many Nordic, Maori and Pacific Island women are well-built. I suspect you're not happy with just 'being a woman' but rather you want to be a 'hot woman'... I have the same issues too, and I totally understand. However, what about all of those larger women? That doesn't make them any less female... most of us who have transitioned in our twenties or later probably have to accept that we're never going to be waif-like.

If you can't get over this, there are a number of  things I think you can do.

1. It's unlikely that you'll be able to reduce your ribcage, so I think finding other ways to compensate would help. In particular, I believe getting fat transfers or PMMA injections (I know, some will say there are dangers to this, and I don't want to get into a whole discussion about PMMA with others about the risks, but I am tossing it out as an option, that's all. I am considering this, and have done a lot of research. Don't take this as an endorsement of pmma - do your own research) to your hips and buttocks would improve your hip to shoulder / hip to thorax ratio to more feminine proportions. Also, get breast implants to increase breast size.

2. If you really are desperate to have your ribs broken - and even I would not consider this - you might enquire with some doctors in China. I believe they do all kinds of crazy surgical procedures in Mainland China, although I don't have any details.

3. Wear dresses which are tighter at the top, with a cincher at the underbust , and which have a flare at the bottom.

The thing is with corset training is you don't tighten it it until you faint or pass out. If you get a good one that's the right size it should be fairly comfortable and only very slightly restricting. Over time your bones regrow and if you have been corset training they will regrow so they fit the corset. Then you tighten it a little (not so it's uncomfortable) and then repeat. It would be much cheaper than going through surgery and much easier to find a corset heh. Take some good body measurements or have a clothing designer do it so you can get just the right one. I think this is a realistic way to shape your body, and is way less scary than surgery :).

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 20, 2010, 08:10:12 PM
Getting fixated on numbers is horribly unhealthy.

I totally agree! That makes me a terribly unhealthy person. I measure my entire body weekly...