I've heard of a disturbing story of a girl that committed suicide do to being "belittled" by her own "so to speak own kind"!

This woman was a MTF, one of the sites and/or groups she was in contact with said she wasn't a "True" woman, or something to that effect. I only heard about it, not sure if it's true. I believe it is because evil lives even amongst neighbors!

To you "ELITE", You're just as bad as the women that have no feminine qualities to down a sister like that! Just because she had no money or her views varied slightly out of focus of YOUR norm you condemned her!

SCREW YOU!

Get it in every crowd, the "BETTER THAN YOU" attitude. Hey! Dumb *&%#, you came from the same place!

Hi
I think most of us have no place for elitist people. Also in the TSO we are careful at Susan's to allow people to be themselves, without the hideous insults of  I'm more/better TG than you etc.
I can understand your concern.

Thank You

Cindy

I see certain types of elitism as essential. When they break down, we get presidents like Bush II.

Bigotry is a different story altogether.

Quote from: Arch on May 23, 2010, 04:28:14 AM
I see certain types of elitism as essential. When they break down, we get presidents like Bush II.

Bigotry is a different story altogether.

How would elitism have prevented Baby Bush?  He went to Yale because his daddy was an alumni, was a Bonesman, and rode his dad's coat-tails into the presidency.  It seems to me elitism worked pretty much in his favor.  I'm not saying you're wrong.  I'm just trying to understand your logic, or how you see elitism as having broken down in this case.

ScarboroughFair -  Sorry to hi-jack your thread!  I agree with you, though.  That's one reason I hang out at Susan's.  There's a lot less snobbery here, and for the most part it is not put up with.

I have met one of these 'elites'. Recently at a TG party. Out of the blue she stated there is only one transsexual in the whole group of girls that were there. My jaw dropped and I became a bit upset at her. This was from a 'transsexual' who is choosing not to have surgery due to her job and that she likes her male parts. I told her she didn't know what she was talking about because the girl that hosts the party is most definitely transsexual. She said no she isn't (this is my friend we are talking about!) she isn't on hormones. I said she has been on hormones for 10 years. And I told her I was a transsexual. And then pointed to another girl who is also on HRT.

These people can be VERY dangerous. They try to play therapist when they are totally unqualified. Needless to say she is on my ->-bleeped-<- list now and I have no intentions of ever talking to her again.

Basically people like that are just trying to bloster their own ego's by putting other people down which is rather sad.

There is a huge difference between the fact that gender clinics have to screen people to weed out those few for whom a transition might not be the right step, and someone unqualified and with no real knowlege of the circumstances of another persons life taking it upon themselves to judge those around them.

The one is a necessary part of diagnosis, the other is just plain arrogant and rude! Such people are best avoided.

To me, people are what they say they are, until conclusively proven different.

Thank you for posting this Scarbourghfair.

It's a reminder that we do need to continually offer support to others.

The lonliness and isolation that this young girl must have been feeling when she took that terrible decision is somehting that most of us can identify with and which each of us, I'm sure, will be more than ready to help with.

Equally, each of us needs to be prepared for cruel and nasty people who seek to justify their own inadequacies at the expense of others.

Quote from: Dana Lane on May 23, 2010, 05:45:54 AM
a 'transsexual' who is choosing not to have surgery due to she likes her male parts.

I'm a member of this kind of transsexual, I hope I'm still 100% girl.... I think it's really pitiful if some transsexuals (and girls) have to use their post-op (non-op, if GG) gentalia in order to prove that theyre a woman.. Every time when I think "Girls should have vaginas.." I think about everything about my body and mind and they make up the other 99% of me, I always remember that a vagina is the last thing that is on display and is infact supposed to be hidden.. XD

I don't know if I'm coherent with my thoughts on this, I'm just trying to say that I think One's genitals shouldn't be subject of conversation or be used as evidence or proof of anything.. What I got between my (very large) thighs is the business of my boyfriend, only <3

I think it was Calpernia Adams who said that it was very rude to ask someone of their privates, like you wouldn't ask a GG on the street if she has a vagina or not.... :\

Quote from: Little Dragon on May 23, 2010, 07:33:05 AM
I'm a member of this kind of transsexual, I hope I'm still 100% girl.... I think it's really pitiful if some transsexuals (and girls) have to use their post-op (non-op, if GG) gentalia in order to prove that theyre a woman.. Every time when I think "Girls should have vaginas.." I think about everything about my body and mind and they make up the other 99% of me, I always remember that a vagina is the last thing that is on display and is infact supposed to be hidden.. XD

I don't know if I'm coherent with my thoughts on this, I'm just trying to say that I think One's genitals shouldn't be subject of conversation or be used as evidence or proof of anything.. What I got between my (very large) thighs is the business of my boyfriend, only <3

I think it was Calpernia Adams who said that it was very rude to ask someone of their privates, like you wouldn't ask a GG on the street if she has a vagina or not.... :\

She volunteered this information to me. I did not ask her anything! And I realize that there are many flavors of being a transsexual. But I just found it odd that she considers herself a true transsexual but not the other girls after telling me her story. I didn't mean to offend anyone. Just stating the facts as she told me.

It is attitudes like that which can drive some of us to have surgeries that are unnessesary for that individule.
If you can maintain you status as female happily and retain your factory issued parts then why get GRS?
Also suicide is not far from anyone trans's thoughts. We have a dismal suicide rate. If you bag on a fellow ->-bleeped-<- you might just be the person who is figurtively loading the gun for the victim.

Quote from: Dana Lane on May 23, 2010, 07:53:29 AM
She volunteered this information to me. I did not ask her anything! And I realize that there are many flavors of being a transsexual. But I just found it odd that she considers herself a true transsexual but not the other girls after telling me her story. I didn't mean to offend anyone. Just stating the facts as she told me.

Yeyeye, I was talking about how she brought the girls genitals into the conversation And then generalised.

I think what you'll find as you become more involved in the "community" is that typically the people who do the most talking about and justifying their own "transness" or womanhood or reasons they are more "something" than someone else are the ones that probably are the furthest from what they are claiming. "I'm the only REAL transwoman here!" Lol, I would hope you would just laugh at their ridiculousness and move to another group of people at the party. People like that are better off sitting in a corner like that weird uncle who talks to himself (no gender mix intended, but it's always the weird uncle, never the weird aunt, lol) and has no one to relate to.

I think it's similar to being in grade school and little Tommy always grabs things and takes them from you. Usually if Tommy can't grow up and play nice and learn how to get along with people he usually ends up torturing little animals and smelling like alcohol and urine in some holding cell in the middle of nowhere. But I digress...

Don't let others get under your skin ESPECIALLY when they are talking about themselves or anyone else being more "anything" than anyone else. Everyone one of us are people and to take a self-identified thing like gender identity and claim that you are more or less something due to xyz reasons is laughable. People can say they are anything but there is usually a reason (like expected validation) behind what they are saying Meghan

I do not want to be a woman, but who I am, myself.

Barbie~~

People who claim to be "true" _________ (fill in the blank) are oftentimes nothing more than attention seeking, braindead idiots.

Quote from: Laura91 on May 23, 2010, 11:24:39 AM
People who claim to be "true" _________ (fill in the blank) are oftentimes nothing more than attention seeking, braindead idiots.

Hehe, also, people who clain that theyre a "true" ________ (fill in blank) means that in their minds, they don't think theyre convincingly (blank) and need to state that they are (blank) in order to make up for it

I think that crap stems from a desperate desire to not be seen as trans or 'one of those people. ' It is a primal fear of regection by society. If they can sell it that some trans are really truely their gender of association and other trans are not they can associate themselves as part of the cool kids group so to speak.
Not a very healthy or inwardly honest position to take.
I would assume if I heard this kinda crap that the person saying it has a self esteem issue.
Also this position is a dividing tactic and when we are curently fighting for our very rights. I think that every member of the trans umbrela needs to not participate in infighting and provide a united front.
We can sort out who is trans and who is a pervert after we get our rights, until then even if I hate your guts, if you are trans you are my dear and beloved ally.

Quote from: Jamie-o on May 23, 2010, 05:08:29 AM
How would elitism have prevented Baby Bush?  He went to Yale because his daddy was an alumni, was a Bonesman, and rode his dad's coat-tails into the presidency.  It seems to me elitism worked pretty much in his favor.  I'm not saying you're wrong.  I'm just trying to understand your logic, or how you see elitism as having broken down in this case.

That's why I said "certain types of elitism." The presidency should go to the person best qualified for the job--or one of the people who are best suited. When financial elitism wins out over an elitism based on intelligence, knowledge, common sense, and relevant experience, then you've got a problem.

I see trans elitism, in various forms, all over the place, and it's almost always simple bigotry based on closed-mindedness, sour grapes, self-loathing prompted by fear of societal reprobation (as Cynthialee observes), or (wait for it) financial elitism. With the last one, people who can afford surgery look down on those who can't. No wonder so many of us don't survive; we're even shunned by those who are most similar to us in the way that marks us as most different from society at large.

The same social glue that holds a tribe together also impels people to evict others from the tribe. It's not pretty. It's downright ugly. But it's very, very human.

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 23, 2010, 03:38:44 PM
You are most definitely 100% girl, regardless of the configuration of your genitalia. Genitals do not define your gender.
Or, as a girl on another trans site once said: "Respect the girl c0ck!"

Thanks very much for that kind comment! Im sure all transgirls like me would appreciate that You're 100% woman too, and all transgirls because we are all girls born as males

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 23, 2010, 03:38:44 PM
A friend of mine once observed that many trans women seem to get surgery for the sole purpose of ->-bleeped-<-ting on pre-ops and non-ops.
But you're right; I also think that deep insecurities in these people drive them to try and be the 'most trans' and the 'most real' - or at least convince themselves that they are, in order to cover up their insecurities.
Two of the vocal post-op elitists over here in NZ (who think that pre-ops shouldn't be allowed into women's toilets) are simply trying to be '->-bleeped-<-r than thou' in order to make themselves feel better - as both of them are highly unpassable. The vagina has become the focus of their existence - a crutch to compensate for the masculine physical traits that are beyond their control.
They'd be better off learning to accept the things that they cannot change, rather than crapping all over others to make themselves feel better.

Hell, anyone with the money can buy a custom built vad
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ge, so why the hell is it so special? Has being 'real' or 'true' been reduced to how much money we have?

I'd avoid socialising with such nasty people whose happiness derives from others misery :\ Unless theyre persistant, then they get the honour of meeting with my graceful fist of feminine beauty

Quote from: barbie on May 23, 2010, 11:18:56 AM
I do not want to be a woman, but who I am, myself.

Barbie~~

That's what i told my wife. That's when the light finally came on for her about my situation.

As far as the topic/subject, i find it sad that this is even going on in our community.

What exactly constitutes 'living in a fantasy world' when you're on-line in the first place?