LOL! I've been looking for jobs everywhere for the last few months and I can't be bothered anymore so I emailed this agency where they look for jobs and I came out completly stating that I'll be starting hormone therapy soon and will be changing my gender, it will not effect my abilities IT MIGHT EVEN CONTRIBUTE MORE. ! LOL I'm sick of it. Whether they like it or not, I don't care. I just want a bloody job !!     

LOL I don't have the balls to do something like that. Don't think I'd want to either. xD

I'm still presenting as female to potential employers, since I've not had anything changed.

I called about a job today; I was almost sick at how I came across over the phone. xD

Why would you do that? 

Quote from: Ruben on May 26, 2010, 01:48:10 PM
LOL I don't have the balls to do something like that. Don't think I'd want to either. xD

I'm still presenting as female to potential employers, since I've not had anything changed.

I called about a job today; I was almost sick at how I came across over the phone. xD

I did that, too.  And now that I have a job lined up (at a CATHOLIC SCHOOL, none the less), I'm kicking myself over it.  I'm on T--a very low level of T which probably won't change me too fast, but on T.  The principal knows I have PCOS and I described it to her as causing masculinizing affects to which she said "well I don't notice it at all".  Well she's gonna start noticing it.     I might have to stop the T for a little bit (I only plan on staying there for a school year-- maybe two if there's nothing else out there. 

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BTW-- I started the T in the inbetween time between interviewing for the job and getting it, so I didn't lie in the interview and I didn't start the T knowing I was gonna have this job.  I probably wouldn't have even started if I knew I was going to have to play the part of female for another year for this job.  But now that I have started, I don't want to stop.  I love my changes too much.   

Quote from: Devin87 on May 26, 2010, 02:01:51 PM
I did that, too.  And now that I have a job lined up (at a CATHOLIC SCHOOL, none the less), I'm kicking myself over it.  I'm on T--a very low level of T which probably won't change me too fast, but on T.  The principal knows I have PCOS and I described it to her as causing masculinizing affects to which she said "well I don't notice it at all".  Well she's gonna start noticing it.     I might have to stop the T for a little bit (I only plan on staying there for a school year-- maybe two if there's nothing else out there. 

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BTW-- I started the T in the inbetween time between interviewing for the job and getting it, so I didn't lie in the interview and I didn't start the T knowing I was gonna have this job.  I probably wouldn't have even started if I knew I was going to have to play the part of female for another year for this job.  But now that I have started, I don't want to stop.  I love my changes too much.   

I'll bet you do; I can imagine it would be too hard to come off again just for a job.

I'm not on T yet, so I'm still VERY much female to the working world, since, for some reason, I AUTOMATICALLY feminise my voice in front of them =_= Even though thats not me from day-to-day.

I would do that cause they should just learn to accept me 

Obviously something I don't really understand.
It just seems to be telling people something that they don't really need, or even want to know.

Yeah I don't get it, I thought you said you passed 100% anyway? Why out yourself if you pass?

Exactly. It only gives people a reason to see you differently from everyone else. I think it also makes you look like a bit of a tit, as for no real reason you're like "YEAH, IM TRANS!" to an agency. Like they need to know what's in your pants?
I see it as the equivalent of putting on your application form that you only have one testicle, your favourite colour is blue, and that sometimes, you like a bit of anal. People (especially professionals) don't want or need to know and it's completely irrelevant. It won't affect to your ability to do a job so they don't care.

Although, he says he passes, most people in the passing thread disagreed.

Recall that managers are tasked with ensuring the success of organized entities operating in a volatile and partly-unobservable economic environment.  Deliberate influence over the success of such an organization requires access to information necessary to analyze causal relationships, sufficient integrity of their organizations sufficient to implement their resulting plans of action, and sufficient stability of conditions to ensure that the implementation is still relevant at the time of implementation.

Informing your manager that you are transsexual means that you are informing them of something of which they have little understanding (lack of information), which is in transition (lack of stability), and which is unfamiliar to the other members of their organization (threatening the organizational morale).  In short, you are informing them of an additional risk without an associated reward.  Therefore, you have reason to conceal that information until they have enough experience with you to trust the quality of your work (stability), the team is familiar with you (organizational morale), and you have earned sufficient respect and patience that you may impose upon the boss's time to inform him of the nature of transition (information).

Good luck.

- N

Quote from: Ryan on May 27, 2010, 12:41:11 PM
Exactly. It only gives people a reason to see you differently from everyone else. I think it also makes you look like a bit of a tit, as for no real reason you're like "YEAH, IM TRANS!" to an agency. Like they need to know what's in your pants?
I see it as the equivalent of putting on your application form that you only have one testicle, your favourite colour is blue, and that sometimes, you like a bit of anal. People (especially professionals) don't want or need to know and it's completely irrelevant. It won't affect to your ability to do a job so they don't care.

Although, he says he passes, most people in the passing thread disagreed.

Who said I don't pass? Hahahahahahahaha. I do pass incredibly well. I really doubt myself and tell everyone I won't but everyone I know or meet believes I do pass. I've tried it out many times and I can go into male bathrooms without weird looks. My gender psychiatrist says I definetly pass (I told him, I won't and he insisted I do compare to alot of trans he knows). I've hooked up with girls on my bed, in my car and none of them figured out I'm a girl till I tell them I'm changing and I haven't even started T. They don't even believe me when I tell them so that's just whatever.

I told the agency cause it'll be easier for both parties if I do start working, that way I don't need to tell them when I actually start transitioning and I'm working. Nimeton, you are judging people that you don't even know saying 'lack of info & stability'. It's like you're saying we're really screwed up to the world cause we're trans which are just assumptions cause not everyone is the same just cause majority of the people tran people meet are narrow minded people - the whole world isn't. Maybe, I say ths cause I haven't come across people who tried to attack or abuse me. I am pretty honest and straight forward to people about myself. I'm not gonna hide away.


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When you posted in the passing thread, saying "I pass" (which was quite dickish in my opinion. It's not a bragging thread. Many people don't pass, and there's no need to rub it in.) people started to make comments based on your avatar. The people that posted all thought that you had very feminine features and didn't really pass that well.

I'm still somewhat convinced that he's a troll. Either way...

For myself I don't really pass. I live in an area where there is no job protection for transgender people. I have faced discrimination in the past for dressing in drag (I was a drag king before realizing I was a dude) where I along with some friends who were non-gender conforming were kicked out of a restaurant. I've faced some discrimination in a hospital because the doctor thought I was too masculine (besides my haircut and the fact that I haven't shaved in 6 years I don't look masculine).

At any rate...I've been out of the job since January. I was laid off (awesome job as a children's photographer) along with everybody else at that company because they went bankrupt. The store reopened and the management that went back did not call me, or want me to work for them.

I know I don't pass to Joe Schmo but I would like to work as male since I've been living as male for such a long time now. On my applications I'm writing my legal name since that's how they can verify some of my information but if and when I get the job I plan on telling them "hey, can you call me Kyle and use male pronouns? I would really appreciate it."

Informing an employer that you're trans when you're passing all of the time seems kind of dumb to me.

Quote from: Nygeel on May 28, 2010, 01:42:43 PM
I'm still somewhat convinced that he's a troll. Either way...

I'm beginning to think so as well.

If you pass so well, which you desperately back up with all kinds of situations we didn't ask about, why the need to inform a potential employer of your gender dissociation? That's making an issue of a non-issue - Ryan and Nimeton were spot on. They don't care to know and telling it without being prompted just makes you come off as too "like me or shove it." Your "they have to learn to accept me" mentality is overly idealistic and things, unfortunately, don't work like that in the real world. Part of growing up is learning to compromise and this especially goes for getting a job. You're there to show what you can contribute and service to somebody who might employ you, not demand that they give you a job like it's your right. They look at you like any business does - as a set of risks. If you make yourself appear stubborn and inflexible then a company will NOT hire you because they know they will have to deal with that later on and they'd rather save the hassle.

Honestly, I kinda smell troll too (I say after feeding it).

Quote from: Lachlann on May 28, 2010, 01:57:37 PM
I'm beginning to think so as well.

Beginning to? You folks have so much more faith than I do.

Quote from: Nygeel on May 28, 2010, 01:42:43 PM
I'm still somewhat convinced that he's a troll. Either way...

Quote from: Lachlann on May 28, 2010, 01:57:37 PM
I'm beginning to think so as well.

Quote from: Nikolai James on May 28, 2010, 04:01:20 PM
Honestly, I kinda smell troll too (I say after feeding it).

I do not think that he is a genuine troll at all, but merely a very idealistic young man who is embarking on a very exciting, and confusing, transition into economic independence.  Restated, rather than deliberately fomenting conflict for personal entertainment, he's merely very boisterously expressing and defending his opinions.  I suggest that we offer continue to offer reasoned and constructive advice drawn from experience, rather than the ad hominem abusive of 'troll.'

- N

Quote from: Nimetön on May 28, 2010, 04:18:06 PM
I do not think that he is a genuine troll at all, but merely a very idealistic young man who is embarking on a very exciting, and confusing, transition into economic independence.  Restated, rather than deliberately fomenting conflict for personal entertainment, he's merely very boisterously expressing and defending his opinions.  I suggest that we offer continue to offer reasoned and constructive advice drawn from experience, rather than the ad hominem abusive of 'troll.'

- N

Well if this is the truth of the matter someone needs to take him under their wing and 'splain to him how to properly act.
Cause I am with the others I think he is a troll. And even if he is trans I think he is still trolling.
jmho

Quote from: Nygeel on May 28, 2010, 01:42:43 PM
Informing an employer that you're trans when you're passing all of the time seems kind of dumb to me.

Exactly.

The only reason that an employer would ever need to know anything about your personal life is if it will affect your job performance.
To me, it seems more like he's flaunting than trying to aid any efforts to get a job.

I can't see how it would contribute to gaining employment. Doctors appointments, possible regular injections, possible side effects and health risks. I would far sooner hire someone without these issues.

Quote from: Ryan on May 28, 2010, 08:13:39 PM
Exactly.

The only reason that an employer would ever need to know anything about your personal life is if it will affect your job performance.
To me, it seems more like he's flaunting than trying to aid any efforts to get a job.

The only reason why they might need to know SOME information is if you haven't had a legal name change...or if you did have a legal name change. That's not entirely about being trans, but they might say "hey, you had your name legally changed."