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What's it mean to be a woman?

Started by Rosa, July 12, 2010, 06:51:19 PM

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Rosa

Ladies, can you please share what it means to you to be a woman?  How do you define your womanhood and femininity? 
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Alyssa M.

It's the tendency to see oneself reflected in other women. It's a sense of identification similar to what one feels with one's family. It's the same kind of instinctual identification that links us all together as humans, the immediate, very nearly instinctual, very deeply implanted ability to recognize any other human as "one of us," but it's just the next layer on top of that.
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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cynthialee

For me your question is akin to asking "why is water wet".

I just know. I look at males and I look at females and I can come to no other conclusion, I am definatly female.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Rosa

Quote from: cynthialee on July 12, 2010, 08:11:40 PM
For me your question is akin to asking "why is water wet".

I just know. I look at males and I look at females and I can come to no other conclusion, I am definatly female.

I think I'm asking you to describe the water, which I think is no easy task.  Tonight I asked my brother what it means to be a man, and he was with a loss of words and said something like "men are just men."  Then he added that being a man means treating a lady nice - that gave me a warm fuzzy.
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Robyn

Hard to describe. For me, it is just a sense of who I am. Doesn't take makeup; doesn't take slinky clothes. Doesn't even take putting on hair. Whenever I look in the mirror, soak in the tub, snuggle with my husband, all if feel is right.

Robyn
10 years postop
When we walk to the edge of all the light we have and take the step into the darkness of the unknown, we must believe that one of two things will happen. There will be something solid for us to stand on or we will be taught to fly. — Patrick Overton
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Janet_Girl

for me, it means just feeling right finally.  That was something missing all those years.  Now it feels complete.
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Britney♥Bieber

Not sure how to put it in words, but the other night, I was at a Rihanna concert with my bestie and we were dancing so hard and having a blast and during one of the video intermissions we settled down for a minute and the biggest smile came across my face. I was having so much fun that I'd lost all inhibitions that I have trying not to look to girly or w/e and I was just happy and I finally felt like a girl. Even though I'm pre hrt and pre op and everything. I just felt like me. It was amazing.

rejennyrated

Oh yes that was one of those questions beloved of 1970's gender shrinks back in the day when the current trend amongst trans folks was describe ourselves as a woman trapped in a mans body and all that kind of bull!

Inevitably they would then ask the hapless patient what they thought it felt like to be a woman? And then, if you were foolish enough to attempt an answer, they would have you trapped because thereafter they could waste endless sessions getting you to evaluate and rethink every one of your responses oft times choosing a natal female who did not appear to fit with your model.

That is why pre-operatively I deliberately never justified my need to change in terms of my personality, but instead stressed the dysphoric fact that I found the physical sexual characteristics of my body disturbing. I'm sure the likes of Lawrence and Blanchard would have had me pegged as an autogynophile, but to my mind that just shows how shallow and rubbish their thinking really was.

My point is that I cant know how it feels to be anyone by myself, so I have no valid yardstick or means of comparison. All I can say is that I like my body better the way it is now, and I like the way that other around me treat me better now. I feel there is less of a mismatch between their expectations of me and what I feel able to deliver as a person.
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Rosa

I feel like a don't really know for sure what it means to be either a man or a woman.  I've found that many of my emotions and thoughts are shared with some of the women I know, yet I've never had an overwhelming desire to dress like a woman or to cut off my male genitalia.  Yet, given the opportunity, I think I would dress more feminine (something I was not allowed to do as a child).  I was always told, boys don't wear that or boys don't do that.  I recall playing with play dishes and a doll house when I was very young - I assume that is rare for little boys, but who knows.  I was a first born child in a military family, you can get the idea of the strict environment.

I don't have any attachment to my male genitalia, in fact, I am developing some aversion to it.  I don't want to get into the sexual orientation discussion again (don't want to keep getting scolded), but if not for sex, I personally don't have a need for any particular genitalia.  I feel like who I am is inside. 

My desire to have women parts is not so much just for me, but how I want to relate to men.   Without getting graphic outside of the sexuality forum, I want to be cherished by a man and to please and give myself over to him, which I think is a more feminine feeling.  My brother told me that he feels somewhat aggressive during sex, and I feel the opposite, though of course it varies. 

If I was never going to have sex again, I think I would just prefer to have no genitalia.  Yet, just recently after seriously considering the possibility of SRS and talking with you good folks in this forum, I have felt a sense of inner peace and less anxiety. 

I suppose the only way to better understand womanhood is to live as a woman for a while, but I don't have the opportunity to do that now - nor the nerves.

Still, asking other women about their womanly feelings has helped me, though I find it is a difficult thing to describe. 
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pamshaw

Now that I am full time and soon to be complete it simply means I feel happy and right. I feels quite natural and many times I forget my birth sex.

Pam
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uni

Womanhood is conforming to one of two socially acceptable gender roles. It's 100% superficial and is only experienced through the expectations of others. It's existence depends on the exclusion of men and vise versa.

I am a human being before I am a woman and live as a woman because there really is no alternative as far as presentation goes. Do I feel like a woman? No. Do I indentify with women? Not anymore than I do with individuals.
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K8

I know I am a woman because I've lived as a man and as a woman.  I always had to work at being a man.  It was like I was playing a game whose rules I didn't understand.  I don't have to try to be a woman – I just am.  For the first time in my life I can relax and just be myself.

I had thought that this was mostly a social construct, but I've found for myself that it is far more.  For me it includes my presentation and how people interact with me, but that is only the tip of the iceberg.  I feel a deep sense of relief that my body matches my soul.  It isn't for sex or for any other reason than this core comfort of being whole at last - congruent within myself.

Early on, when I mentioned to my daughter that I didn't know exactly what it was to be a woman, she said that Simone de Beauvoir wrote over 500 pages trying to explain it and never came to any real conclusions so don't worry about it.

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Rosa

Quote from: K8 on July 13, 2010, 07:19:37 PM
I know I am a woman because I've lived as a man and as a woman.  I always had to work at being a man.  It was like I was playing a game whose rules I didn't understand.  I don't have to try to be a woman – I just am.  For the first time in my life I can relax and just be myself.

Kate, now that you say this it does seem like I've had to work hard at being a man too . . . don't be so shy, speak louder, don't be such a sissy, be more assertive, don't be so sensitive, toughen up boy!  Goodness. 

Maybe I can get the courage to be myself and see where it takes me.  I thought I was doing that when I came out as gay, but I think I started conforming to another set of expectations.
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April Dawne

Having lived as a "male" for so many years, I can definitely say without a doubt that it is NOT what I myself am. I always felt uncomfortable, I never knew how to stand, sit, talk, act or react. I always felt like I was trying too hard to be a "man" and it just didn't feel right.

I always had more female friends than male friends. Around women I could relax and be myself. Women empathize more than men do. It was ok for me to be sensitive or emotional around them. I wasn't thought weak, I wasn't belittled, I wasn't put down or rejected.

For me, being a woman is just what feels right for me. It's where I'm most comfortable. I'm no longer acting; I don't have to try to be a woman like I did when being a man. I just relax now and do what I do naturally without much thought. Friends of mine tell me they don't see a man when they see me, even if I am dressed as a man. I take that as a compliment. They see me for who I am, regardless of clothing or body shape.

Being a woman is just something I know, feel, and believe. I can't prove it or describe it, it simply is.

~*Don't wanna look without seeing*~

~*Don't wanna touch without feeling*~




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pebbles

Quote from: rejennyrated on July 13, 2010, 06:44:36 AMThat is why pre-operatively I deliberately never justified my need to change in terms of my personality, but instead stressed the dysphoric fact that I found the physical sexual characteristics of my body disturbing. I'm sure the likes of Lawrence and Blanchard would have had me pegged as an autogynophile, but to my mind that just shows how shallow and rubbish their thinking really was.
Damn jenny I wish everyone could have a slice of your wisdom.

I've been really trying to explain this to them that physically begin a guy is painful to me makes up about 80%+ of the discomfort. But they don't get it otherwise tolorent family rag on me for begin "insincere" about my emotions because I've not done alot of my social transition and I don't prance around in a dress and I try to explain to them it's hard when you have facial hair!
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Omika

#15
To me, being a woman is being the superior sex, biologically.  You live longer, you are less irrational, you manage emotions much better over the long-term, and you are generally less likely to snap and murder a bunch of people.

Being a woman, to me, means having a great deal of responsibility and power.  It means having strength and self-assurance, and fighting doubt.  It means solidarity with other women.  It means a lot to me.
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tekla

To me, being a woman is being the superior sex, biologically.  You live longer, you are less irrational, you manage emotions much better over the long-term, and you are generally less likely to snap and murder a bunch of people.  Being a woman means being the master race, really.

Really, you know who else used notions like 'master race?'  And, of course, being female isn't even a race, but why let facts get in the way of fantasy eh?

As pure WARBLGARBLE goes it's pretty good.  Wrong, but funny as hell. 

generally less likely to snap and murder a bunch of people
As Camille Paglia once noted: "There is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper."   So, it's a two edged blade for sure.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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cynthialee

Quote from: Omika on July 15, 2010, 11:18:08 AM
Okay, sorry.
Just keep in mind many of us have men (and androgynes who identify partialy male) in our lives we love fiercly.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Omika

Quote from: tekla on July 15, 2010, 11:23:30 AM
To me, being a woman is being the superior sex, biologically.  You live longer, you are less irrational, you manage emotions much better over the long-term, and you are generally less likely to snap and murder a bunch of people.  Being a woman means being the master race, really.

Really, you know who else used notions like 'master race?'  And, of course, being female isn't even a race, but why let facts get in the way of fantasy eh?

As pure WARBLGARBLE goes it's pretty good.  Wrong, but funny as hell. 

generally less likely to snap and murder a bunch of people
As Camille Paglia once noted: "There is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper."   So, it's a two edged blade for sure.

I'm pretty sure there is no female Mozart because historically women have been kept as little more than domestic animals (that can talk and make babies!) in most societies, so comparatively, we've had a lot less time to churn out any notable talented figures.  That and history itself was recorded by the patriarchy, so who even knows?

The "master race" comment was definitely pure WARBLEGARBLE.  Not meant to be taken seriously!  I should use more emoticons...

Quote from: cynthialee on July 15, 2010, 11:30:00 AM
Just keep in mind many of us have men (and androgynes who identify partialy male) in our lives we love fiercly.

So do I!
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