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What's it mean to be a woman?

Started by Rosa, July 12, 2010, 06:51:19 PM

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pamshaw

I really don't think one gender is better than the other; they are just very different and society needs both. I knew I was very different when I was young because "normal boys" don't like wearing their mothers underwear or putting on their makeup. Even when I was caught and scolded I cound not stop the feelings even though I supressed them until I was older. Now that I am living as a woman, full of estrogen and my T is supressed I feel right and can be feminine all the time outwardly rather than feeling feminine inside and living outwardly as a man. I love all things feminine and think and act like a woman. I can wear skirts and get my hair and nails done, shop for clothes, shoes and purses; things I longed to do but could not do as a male. Being a woman is very normal for me so I guess it means freedom. I can't wait to have SRS so I can stand in front of a mirror and see the vagina that should have been there all along.

Pam
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Izumi

Quote from: Robertina on July 12, 2010, 06:51:19 PM
Ladies, can you please share what it means to you to be a woman?  How do you define your womanhood and femininity?

I think everyone will give you a different answer to what a woman is.  There are many different people and they all are unique and shaped by their lives.

For me a woman is grace, compassion, mystery, beauty, gentleness, seductiveness, love, and wisdom.  The more i see myself as a mom the more I feel complete as a woman.  To my man i give love, compassion, gentleness and devotion, along with a good helping of mystery and seductiveness (wink).  When you think of your mom taking care of you when your sick, smiling when you show her you can tie your shoes on your own, and reading you a bed time story, that is my idea of a woman.  Someone who is strong on the inside but has a gentleness to the soul.  Someone not afraid to show her emotions, and the strength to stand by convictions.

Your question is easy to answer because well all know what it feels to be a woman, difficult to explain since the words escape us, and they are different for everyone else.  The best way to put it is, when i a lie in bed with my man's arms around me, i can hear his heart beat as he whispers how much he loves me, and that being with me like this is the only thing wants for the rest of his life.  I cant help but be moved as he kisses me on the forehead goodnight, while i am in his arms.  At the moment i feel a complete woman, he is raw power, and i am the gentleness and wisdom, that tempers his strength and gives him peace.
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Nero

Quote from: Izumi on July 23, 2010, 12:39:25 PM
I think everyone will give you a different answer to what a woman is.  There are many different people and they all are unique and shaped by their lives.

For me a woman is grace, compassion, mystery, beauty, gentleness, seductiveness, love, and wisdom.  The more i see myself as a mom the more I feel complete as a woman.  To my man i give love, compassion, gentleness and devotion, along with a good helping of mystery and seductiveness (wink).  When you think of your mom taking care of you when your sick, smiling when you show her you can tie your shoes on your own, and reading you a bed time story, that is my idea of a woman.  Someone who is strong on the inside but has a gentleness to the soul.  Someone not afraid to show her emotions, and the strength to stand by convictions.

Your question is easy to answer because well all know what it feels to be a woman, difficult to explain since the words escape us, and they are different for everyone else.  The best way to put it is, when i a lie in bed with my man's arms around me, i can hear his heart beat as he whispers how much he loves me, and that being with me like this is the only thing wants for the rest of his life.  I cant help but be moved as he kisses me on the forehead goodnight, while i am in his arms.  At the moment i feel a complete woman, he is raw power, and i am the gentleness and wisdom, that tempers his strength and gives him peace.

Lucky guy. I want a woman like that!
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Izumi

Quote from: Nero on July 23, 2010, 01:30:52 PM
Lucky guy. I want a woman like that!

His friends dont know I am TS, neither does his family, he doesnt plan on telling them.  Everyone thinks he hit the woman jackpot, I cook for him (because i enjoy it, to make sure he is eating properly, weight loss, and i like his compliments about my cooking), i do his laundry and my own, and i always say how much i love and appreciate him, because i do.  He works in construction, hard back breaking work, I make sure when he comes home he gets a chance to rest, after all he gives me all his money so i can get my SRS faster and we can get married, but i wont stop pampering him after ^_^.  On top of that i like guy stuff like video games, anime/manga, airsoft, surfing, working out, and football.  Our personalities match too, which is the icing on the cake.  He thinks hes lucky to have me, i think the same of him.... funny how things change when only 2 years ago i just wanted to die, now i love ever single day of my life even when it gets difficult.

On a side note, hes also easy to train, like a puppy, i recently got him to take the stuff out of his pockets before i do laundry.  I did it the sneaky woman way too and didnt nag him to death about it... ooooo such power.... wahahahahhahahaa 
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kelly_aus

Quote from: Izumi on July 23, 2010, 12:39:25 PM
Your question is easy to answer because well all know what it feels to be a woman, difficult to explain since the words escape us, and they are different for everyone else.  The best way to put it is, when i a lie in bed with my man's arms around me, i can hear his heart beat as he whispers how much he loves me, and that being with me like this is the only thing wants for the rest of his life.  I cant help but be moved as he kisses me on the forehead goodnight, while i am in his arms.  At the moment i feel a complete woman, he is raw power, and i am the gentleness and wisdom, that tempers his strength and gives him peace.

This what finally gave me the strength to accept that I am a woman.
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Lori

Quote from: Robertina on July 12, 2010, 06:51:19 PM
Ladies, can you please share what it means to you to be a woman?  How do you define your womanhood and femininity?

Uh, shoes!! DUH!

Seriously. And whatever Izumi said.
"In my world, everybody is a pony and they all eat rainbows and poop butterflies!"


If the shoe fits, buy it in every color.
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pretty pauline

Quote from: pamshaw on July 23, 2010, 11:29:13 AM
I knew I was very different when I was young because "normal boys" don't like wearing their mothers underwear or putting on their makeup. Even when I was caught and scolded I cound not stop the feelings even though I supressed them until I was older. Now that I am living as a woman, full of estrogen and my T is supressed I feel right and can be feminine all the time outwardly rather than feeling feminine inside and living outwardly as a man. I love all things feminine and think and act like a woman. I can wear skirts and get my hair and nails done, shop for clothes, shoes and purses; things I longed to do but could not do as a male. Being a woman is very normal for me so I guess it means freedom.
Pam
I can relate to all that, being feminine is freedom, just doing all them womanly things.
Quote from: Izumi on July 23, 2010, 01:54:49 PM
His friends dont know I am TS, neither does his family, he doesnt plan on telling them.  Everyone thinks he hit the woman jackpot, I cook for him (because i enjoy it, to make sure he is eating properly, weight loss, and i like his compliments about my cooking), i do his laundry and my own, and i always say how much i love and appreciate him, because i do.  He works in construction, hard back breaking work, I make sure when he comes home he gets a chance to rest, after all he gives me all his money so i can get my SRS faster and we can get married, but i wont stop pampering him after ^_^.  On top of that i like guy stuff like video games, anime/manga, airsoft, surfing, working out, and football.  Our personalities match too, which is the icing on the cake.  He thinks hes lucky to have me, i think the same of him.... funny how things change when only 2 years ago i just wanted to die, now i love ever single day of my life even when it gets difficult.

On a side note, hes also easy to train, like a puppy, i recently got him to take the stuff out of his pockets before i do laundry.  I did it the sneaky woman way too and didnt nag him to death about it... ooooo such power.... wahahahahhahahaa 
My relationship with my Fiancé is very similar, my Boyfriend works in IT, I now only work 3days a week, we probably won't adopt, but Id love to be a fulltime Mom, he wants me to give up work completely sometime after when we get married, I don't mind being a fulltime Wife, I do all the cooking and laundry but he looks after me well, everybody thinks Iv hit the guy jackpot, weather was very bad today, my car was in the garage, I had a hair appointment, he dropped me off at the hair salon, then when I was done, I was getting my hair highlights, he collected me from the stylists, all because he knew I just didn't want to have a bad hair day, then he tells me I look a million dollars, I feel feminine, it means so much to me, just being a Woman, I love being a Woman.
p
If your going thru hell, just keep going.
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Izumi

Quote from: Lori on July 23, 2010, 05:54:59 PM
Uh, shoes!! DUH!

Seriously. And whatever Izumi said.

I have to agree shoes... I did not know the importance of shoes till i transitioned... now i cant seem to have enough... soon you will know the bliss and horror of shoes...

On a side note, somedays something might happen to get me turned on, unlike when your full to testosterone the turned on feeling doesnt last all day, you think about it a little, then you think about shoes, and it goes away....  Its neat, being able to think clearly.

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Quote from: pretty pauline on July 23, 2010, 06:05:22 PM
I can relate to all that, being feminine is freedom, just doing all them womanly things.My relationship with my Fiancé is very similar, my Boyfriend works in IT, I now only work 3days a week, we probably won't adopt, but Id love to be a fulltime Mom, he wants me to give up work completely sometime after when we get married, I don't mind being a fulltime Wife, I do all the cooking and laundry but he looks after me well, everybody thinks Iv hit the guy jackpot, weather was very bad today, my car was in the garage, I had a hair appointment, he dropped me off at the hair salon, then when I was done, I was getting my hair highlights, he collected me from the stylists, all because he knew I just didn't want to have a bad hair day, then he tells me I look a million dollars, I feel feminine, it means so much to me, just being a Woman, I love being a Woman.
p

Thats the thing about guys, they see us completely different then how we see us... we look in the mirror and see all the stuff that is wrong with us, all the stuff we need to fix, but they look at us and they just see all the good.  A normal man in love with you would take a bullet to protect you, how can you not love something like that.  All you have to do is show them love, and they will go out of their way to make you happy and impress you... Its so simple but so precious...

I had what i thought was a bad hair day, my fiance looked at me put his hand on my cheek and said. "If only you could see what I see, you would never worry about your looks again....".  He is by no means an eloquent guy, hes a construction worker, about as endearing as he get is, Hey Babe, take a look at this or that, but sometimes he can really pull the heartstrings...  It is good being a woman...

See at times like that you FEEL completely a woman, but their is no words in the English language to describe what you are feeling its beyond words... its beyond comprehension, you only know that your transition was the right choice, or you would have never known this feeling, to know your place in the universe the place you belong.
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uni

Quote from: pretty pauline on July 23, 2010, 06:05:22 PM
I can relate to all that, being feminine is freedom, just doing all them womanly things.My relationship with my Fiancé is very similar, my Boyfriend works in IT, I now only work 3days a week, we probably won't adopt, but Id love to be a fulltime Mom, he wants me to give up work completely sometime after when we get married, I don't mind being a fulltime Wife, I do all the cooking and laundry but he looks after me well, everybody thinks Iv hit the guy jackpot, weather was very bad today, my car was in the garage, I had a hair appointment, he dropped me off at the hair salon, then when I was done, I was getting my hair highlights, he collected me from the stylists, all because he knew I just didn't want to have a bad hair day, then he tells me I look a million dollars, I feel feminine, it means so much to me, just being a Woman, I love being a Woman.
p
Since when does being a woman mean finding the man who treats you like a woman from a time period when women didn't have rights? Being a wife isn't a career, you can't just get married and expect a man to take care of you as if you were a child in exchange for some housework and laundry. 
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kelly_aus

Quote from: uni on July 23, 2010, 10:04:54 PM
Since when does being a woman mean finding the man who treats you like a woman from a time period when women didn't have rights? Being a wife isn't a career, you can't just get married and expect a man to take care of you as if you were a child in exchange for some housework and laundry.

Never, as far as I'm aware.. However, and here's a surprise, not all women want the same things.. Do I want to be a housewife? No, not really, but for the right man, sure.. As long as we were both happy, who cares?
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FairyGirl

Quote from: Alyssa M. on July 20, 2010, 06:14:15 PM
I guess what's bothering me is this:

QuoteI don't have to resort to traditional male behaviors to prove I'm strong or capable.

I agree -- neither do I. But there's something important missing for me: I don't have to avoid traditional male behaviors to prove I'm a woman. If I did, couldn't call myself my mother's daughter. When I do traditionally male things, I'm usually just following in her footsteps.

lol Alyssa hon I think maybe you're reading more into it than I intended. I wasn't advocating in any way avoiding traditional male behaviors, only that a women need not feel it necessary to engage in them in order to prove herself equal. Sorry if that wasn't clear, I wasn't thinking that deep lol

Girls rule, boys drool.
If I keep a green bough in my heart, then the singing bird will come.
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BunnyBee

I think whatever argument in this thread has sprung from some people talking about what it is to be feminine, while others are talking about what it is to be female.  To be feminine is to match the social conventions that have been ascribed to women, while to be female is, if you are a women, to simply just be, conforming to social protocols or not.

In fairness, if the question is "what does it mean to be a women" then both aspects fit in answering it, even if they can be at odds.

I think this is an interesting discussion, regardless, because you can have so many right answers to this question and especially since each answer is completely personal, everybody's answer fundamentally reveals something about themselves.

PS I liked your poem too, Chloe!
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Alyssa M.

Oh, Chloe, you're fine. It just took me awhile to figure out why what you said made me uncomfortable, whether that was your intent or not.

Jen, definitely -- I tend to be more interested in reductive questions, not because they're more important, but because they tend to hold the more intriguing mystery to me. I guess that's one of those male behaviors I don't feel particularly compelled to avoid.  ;)
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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K8

I think the main things I like about being a woman are how I am treated and how I am allowed to be – how I can live my life now.  That makes it sound like a purely social construct, but there is much more to it for me – how I feel about myself, how my body seems to be "right" now rather than wrong, how I feel with the right hormones in my system.  I guess bottom-line is that I like being a woman because that's what I am and don't know how to be anything else very well.

What's it mean to me to be a woman?  To be whole, complete, and myself.

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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pamshaw

I want to be female and feminine. I have loved all things feminine all my life and now that I am living as a woman I can do all the things I dreamed about but could not do as a man. I love shopping for pretty clothes, hair, makeup, nails, shoes, purses. I love these things inside and I don't feel I am trying to meet some societial standard. I am now free to walk into a store and try on a new skirt or get a makeover at Macy's. Lots of GGs love the same thing and I am glad to be one of them. Some women are more feminine than others; I just happen to be way over on the feminine side and I plan to stay there now that I am free.


Pam (who loves all things feminine)
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pretty pauline

Quote from: uni on July 23, 2010, 10:04:54 PM
Since when does being a woman mean finding the man who treats you like a woman from a time period when women didn't have rights? Being a wife isn't a career, you can't just get married and expect a man to take care of you as if you were a child in exchange for some housework and laundry.
I don't expect my future Husband to take care of me as if I where a child and certainly not in exchange for some housework and laundry.
But he is a perfect Gentleman, he seems to treat me even better since I told him my trans history, now if I decide to give up work after we get married it will be my choice, I probably stay working my 3days, but he did say he'd prefer if I gave up work but he's not forcing me, it will be my choice, but if I did he'd look after all my needs and financial needs, now Im a high maintenance woman, I heard shoes being mentioned, I don't think he'll force me to give up work lol if he does, well he knows Iv a high budget on shoes, clothes dresses makeup beauty cosmetics and my hair, I spend a small fortune on my hair, he knows its expensive being a woman but he doesn't mind paying, he regularly gives me gift vouchers for a beauty salon where I sometimes get my nails done, in return I'II do all the cooking and laundry but he does all heavy repair work that he would never let me do, because he's a Gentleman and he certainly knows how to treat a woman, he makes me feel very very feminine, Im very lucky and happy to be a woman.
Quote from: kelly_aus on July 23, 2010, 10:50:52 PM
Never, as far as I'm aware.. However, and here's a surprise, not all women want the same things.. Do I want to be a housewife? No, not really, but for the right man, sure.. As long as we were both happy, who cares?
I never thought Id be some guy's housewife, but Iv met the right guy and he wants me to be his housewife, so Im going to be his housewife and Im really looking forward to the challenge, hopefully we'll both be happy, wish me luck.
p
If your going thru hell, just keep going.
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Rosa

I've noticed that I seem to be much more sensitive and intuitive than other guys.  More than once I've been watching TV with other men and women and the women and I pick up on something subtle - we turn to each other and giggle or make a comment, and the men in the room are oblivious to what is going on.  One case was two female newscasters that were both wearing a blue dress and one seemed all uppity, and this other girl and I both turned to each other noticing the same thing.  The other day in a music video a couple girls walked past a cute guy and then looked at each other and made a face - the other girl in the room and I both looked at each other, giggled, and covered our mouths at the same time - the guys were looking at the boobies or something, I don't know.
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Alyssa M.

Perlita, I agree that what you're describing is a common difference between men and women. But I've met plenty of men that were just as tapped into emotions as most women, and I've met plenty of women who are as detached as most men. So is it essential -- the sine qua non or womanhood? In my opinion, no.

The reason I mention it is that I don't think most of these answers are addressing Robertina's original question. (I'm just mentioning yours because it's the most recent -- I could say the same elsewhere.) I get the feeling that this is not an abstract, philosophical question for her. She has posted a lot of questions about these differences, and if I recall correctly, she came to Susan's struggling with the question of whether she is trans -- in other words, whether she is female. So the question is not really, "What does it mean to be a woman?" but rather, "How do I know if I am a woman?"

I have resisted a lot of the characterizations described here, not because I think they are cheap stereotypes (perhaps they are and perhaps they're not; it's immaterial), but because I don't think it helps someone in Robertina's situation.

Before I transitioned I was utterly alienated. I had some close friends, but I had to fight for them, and I was baffled by the effortless way I saw women connect with others. People that knew me saw me as very empathetic, but only close friends -- others just saw me as strange. And my own feelings, well, forget it. I couldn't let myself acknowledge my feelings, because it was just too scary.

Once I gave up trying to construe myself as male, in accordance with external expectations, once I began my transition and started to experience new ways of connecting with other women -- and with men, too -- once I started reflecting on my childhood and letting myself see the girl I was rather than the boy others saw, I gradually began to see all the ways, some trivial and some profound, that I fit as a girl.

Some ways, even many ways, I don't fit in with women, at least not with a lot of them. For one thing, I'm not into boys, not one little bit. When other women start with that, I'm completely left out. Of course, I never fit in with men when they started talking about women, either. Among lesbians, it's a whole lot easier, and in retrospect, it really always has been.

So I've got to go with Kate. It just fits. The rest is fun as a parlor game, but it's not what really matters. So, Robertina, does womanhood fit you? There's no way I can answer that. The only way to find out is to try it on for size. There's just no other way.
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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MasterAsh

Quote from: uni on July 23, 2010, 10:04:54 PM
Since when does being a woman mean finding the man who treats you like a woman from a time period when women didn't have rights? Being a wife isn't a career, you can't just get married and expect a man to take care of you as if you were a child in exchange for some housework and laundry.

Where did she say she expected anything for anything? She merely described the life in which she lives, one in which both she and her boyfriend are happy.

You want to "fight the good fight," that's fine, but don't imagine battles where there are none.
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Izumi

Quote from: uni on July 23, 2010, 10:04:54 PM
Since when does being a woman mean finding the man who treats you like a woman from a time period when women didn't have rights? Being a wife isn't a career, you can't just get married and expect a man to take care of you as if you were a child in exchange for some housework and laundry.

If i dont work its because that will be MY choice and what I see is best for my family.  It by no means makes me less as a person to be a stay at home mom, its what I put value as that is important and to me its more important that my man is happy everyday he comes back from work and my adopted children are developing well with my guidance.  To have a child that I raised call me mom for the rest of my life is more rewarding then a job that pays 6 figures ever will be because in the end i want my life to mean something more then the bottom of line of some company's business portfolio. 

I will be retiring from my job early in 5 years, after which my husband will support the family, however due to my current and forecasted financial position, i would have made adequate investments to replace my salary entirely, so while i maybe a house wife, i am by no means stupid.  I run the fiances, which even now includes my fiance's money.

Also i dont feel like a woman because of him, i feel more a woman when i am with him, because he brings out emotions in me that you only feel when your with someone you love and know he loves you back.

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