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Started by Samantha_Marie, August 08, 2010, 12:06:14 PM

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Sandy

Gabby:

That is one of the most reasoned, and well thought out letters I have ever read.

I truly hopes he sees the reason in it and responds in the best way possible.  As you said, despite everything else, you are still his child.

The one thing about transitioning, is that it is a transition for you and all around you.  Because of the way many of us closet ourselves, those around us are blindsided by the revelation.  That may be the way with your father.  Hopefully he is working through what he may feel is the enormity of the news.  I pray that he also agrees that you are still his child and he loves you.

If not now, then in time.

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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Samantha_Marie

I just added his response and my last to my initial post...

Gabby

JessicaR

Be strong, Gabby....   

   I hope that you will find the same peace and happiness so many of us have found through transition. Your Dad's response, while written with what he perceives as your best interest in mind, is based on ignorance and selectively religious bias. He's so wrong...

We love you!  ;)


BTW, Costco scored 100 out of 100 on the Corporate Equality Index  :)  You'll have a long career with them as a Transsexual woman  :)


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xAndrewx

I am so sorry Gabby but you do have family here. Maybe one day he will learn more and change his views, I agree with Jessica he did sound like he thought he was saying the right things just ignorance I guess :( Also, I can't see Costco firing you, it'd be too hard to explain that after you come out they decide to fire you, wouldn't look good on there part. You seem like a very strong woman and I admire you for your response because I would not have been able to leave it at that.

Janet_Girl

I am sorry Gabby that he took the low road, but you still have us.  And we still love and SUPPORT you.

And You will be at Costco for a long time.  In fact I am trying to get on with them here.
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Sarah_aus

I'm Sorry Gabby,

You still have all of us, and for what its worth, while you may not beable to reason with your father, It would appear that he still loves you very much, and who knows with time, he may come around.
You have given him the information and reason, now the ball is in his court, give him time, he may surprise you, if not, you still have you're real family here with us.

A couple of passages that I have found, that give me comfort more than reason:

Colossians 3:5-11:
Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. 7You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. 11Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

Mark 9:43-50:
43If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.[c] 45And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.[d] 47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where
   " 'their worm does not die,
      and the fire is not quenched.'[e] 49Everyone will be salted with fire.
50"Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can you make it salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with each other."

Love and support,

Tali
"There is a place you can touch a woman that will drive her crazy. Her heart." - Melanie Griffith
"It's true that we don't know what we've got until we lose it, but it's also true that we don't know what we've been missing until it arrives." - Unknown
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Sarah B

Hi Gabby

Sorry that it did not go so well.  You have family that care about you and accept you.  Which is very important at a time like this. Take care and my thoughts are with you.

Kind regards
Sarah B
Be who you want to be.
Sarah's Story
Feb 1989 Living my life as Sarah.
Feb 1989 Legally changed my name.
Mar 1989 Started hormones.
May 1990 Three surgery letters.
Feb 1991 Surgery.
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spacial

Gabrielle

I don't know your father, obviously. But reading his reply and putting it with your mother's and step-father's response, plus the information he has suppllied about himself I get the following impressios.

Your father is detached from his family. He seems to feel that, to an extent, it is caused by other factors. He mentioned his problems with his own medications. He may well be feeling, to an extent, that his own position as a father, is undermined. But again, his mentioning of those medications suggests he is looking that that rather than anything else.

Presented with this option for enormous change, a change which will alter his entire preceptions of himself, as a father of a son, and of the life that has been blocked by other factors, his son.

He has, perhaps not unnaturally, reacted by saying, no, I can't lose my self image in this way. From there he has sought to find justification.

Now reading his justifications. He seems to be centred on two main points. Morality and your previous personality.

Morally his position is his own really. But you may have an opening here to compromise. We each have our own morality. If you think about it, we often make moral type statements in groups which inside, we clarifiy to ourselves. That is compromise.

One the previous personality, that is a lot more difficult to argue. Few of us, if any, know our own personalities. His image of you, growing up, was a father watching his son.

Now read this excert:
QuoteYou've never been 'neat', 'clean', orderly, 'sensitive', compassionate, interested in 'feelings', colors, the interests and needs of others... you've been the consummate uncaring, unfeeling, occasionally(?) rude, selfish, sometimes violent MAN.

That is his description of a male, and his description of the antithesis of a female.

Now, please, don't go away with the idea that I'm attacking or criticisning your father. I am not and never would. Even if I knew him intimately, I still wouldn't just as I would never criticise a parent to their offspring.

I offer this as perspectives. A way you can start to look at this issue.

You should also be thinking very seriously about the previous relationship you had with your dad. It is on that basis that you can build your future relationship.

One more point. You've told him now. Imagine, you send him another message saying you've changed your mind and won't change after all. How will that affect your future relationship?

Again, I make this final point to offer you a prespective. Once you have fully worked through all of these issues, you can begin to plan for the furture.

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kelly_aus

Hiya Gabrielle,

The email you sent your father was obviously written with care, consideration and love. You explained your decision and the causes and reasons for it quite eloquently. It's a damn sight more than my father will get.. I'm simply going to send him a copy of my name change documentation, to be added to the family history his wife maintains.. (Which I doubt will happen, she's a Mormon)

Your fathers response, whilst appearing to be heartfelt, is obviously clouded by both religion and the image you (we) have presented to the world up to now. Christianity, sadly, fails to follow the basic teachings within the bible, and unfortunately it would appear you father is going along the standard, slightly fundamentalist view.. There seems to have been some break up within the family, which seems to have left him feeling isolated from the family and your revelation has possibly left him further isolated. I wish there was something I could say to make this easier but I just don't know how..

But remember, we care and love you.. We understand and will support you in any way we can..

Hugs,
Kelly
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Kev

Whoa. This was a tough one to read...
First of all I, before I join everybody in being disappointed by your dad, I think he sounds like a perceptive person after all. He is really thinking his way through his words. I had the impression he was torn between loving you and sheer not understanding. Which is to me a good sign. Despite of his words & choice. I don't see this as final between you and him . <-- This is just the impression I got.

I'm curious of how he will see things two years from now.
Had the impression he is a very emotional person. His way of writing feels rather feminine to me, with all the expressions of feelings and such. I just don't think he is a lost case on this one. He does love you, but you two need to find a way to deal with the topic.
How to do that? Maybe you can sit him down (not now! Give him time) and direct him away from this religious path. Because when people start saying "God says this, God says that", it sometimes ends bad, since nobody really knows what God is saying until we hear it from him.

It is sad, that he feels the way he does. But I don't have the same impression like I had of other parents going "waaaah, my child!" which means I don't consider him stubborn. Just afraid. It's jsut an impression of course.
Its really hard to find the words here.
I can't tell why I got this impression, but I feel like - even if he is so against it - he is someone that will stand up for you when it really matters. He's not showing this right now, and maybe I'm flat wrong, but this is what I felt reading the letter.
Give him time. Alone time. Later talk to him. Talk often, talk much, start a new relationship. Talk to him in a way he will understand. Try to leave religion out, when you express feelings, and ask him to do the same. It will not be pretty, and likely tiring to talk this way.
Make sure he understands. Find out what he hates so much about his son being his daughter.

I often say "hopeless. Just walk away" but this time I feel like you two are meant to work things out.
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Epigania

Well, you said your dad wouldn't take it very well, so I suppose you were right.   I'm sorry that he was unable to find a point where he could meet and support you.   He may not agree with your decision, but he could still find away to be there for you.

And Costco may be a family company, but they have very specific and strict policies on discrimination toward employees based on Gender Identity and Expression.    It's also very difficult to get fired from Costco as long as you continue to do your job as well as you've always done it.   I've seen total tools who weren't worth the dirt they walked on get moved around inside the company rather than be fired. :)

*Hugs*   Hang in there.   Perhaps he'll come around.

BTW,  What's up with all the ' ' in his message?   Does he do the little Finger Quote thing when he speaks to someone in person?


Alainaluvsu

I agree with Kev. He seems to still be loving towards you, but a little confused and nervous about what this means. If I were you, I wouldn't miss the opportunity to talk to him / be around him to explain / show him how you are who you really are. I wouldn't push the issue though, as in don't smother him with trying to talk about it. Let him bring it up, schedule things to do with you or whatever. Don't write him off yet though, he made it pretty clear that he still loves you even if he can't accept your target gender. This, I think, means he loves you unconditionally, and I think love is stronger than the frustration you get when he uses any pronoun he can use (he / son etc) to refer to you as.

He has known you as a boy your whole life and he thinks this means you will be a totally different person.. and he is probably scared he will not be able to connect as well with the "new" you. He also may be scared for what this means for you. He might think you are going through a tough emotional time, or looking in the future knowing that people like us face a whole lot of tough times. Just don't write him off yet, give it time to see if he still wants to communicate with you in any way, and take it from there.
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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Gwenhyvar

I'm so sorry the response was not at all positive, but to others points the winds may change...

I think the last thing you really need is for all of us to psychoanalyze your father (but I just can't help it!!!). ;)  I found it very sad that he believes (gender issues aside) that strength lies in simply accepting your fate. I've always believed true strength lies in taking control of your life and making the hard decisions.

It sounds like your mother left him to be with someone she truly loves. Your father sees this as nothing but selfishness, and that it was her duty to stay with him no matter what. I will refrain from the first few comments that popped into my head, as they were not very flattering to your father and that is not the point I am trying to make, but would he have preferred to have your mother stay with him, even though she loves someone else and is (I am making assumptions here) unhappy? Tying someone to yourself no matter how they feel... THAT is selfish. To that point, accepting the bad hand fate has dealt you without a fight is weakness.

I have been through a divorce myself, and left that unhealthy relationship to be with a remarkable woman that has brought me more happiness than I can express. Should I have stayed in a relationship that was failing, and making both of us miserable, out of duty? Some people may think so, but I do not doubt that I made the right decision, as I've never been happier. Was selfishness involved? Yes, it honestly was - sometimes you need to be a little selfish to be happy in life - but it wasn't ONLY selfishness. Living a lie is not good for anyone involved, whether that be staying in an unhappy marriage or living as the wrong gender.

If this is the right decision for you, then you may be surprised by how much joy it can bring into not only your own life, but the lives of those around you. My wife and I are the support unit for all of our friends, many of which have no family. I went from a depressed person with no friends to someone who can make a difference for others. I do believe this balances the pain my 'selfish' decisions inflicted upon others along the way...

Regarding the comments about your masculine behaviour... all I can say is that how we appear to others and what we feel inside can be worlds apart - especially when over compensating to fill a role we don't quite fit... Add to that the ability for people to see only what they want to see and.... well, you get the idea.

Apologies if I managed to offend!

XX
-Gwen
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Samantha_Marie

You didn't offend me at all. There is a very rocky relationship between my dad and I to say the least.

The only me my dad knows is how I was when I was 15-16 years old, which was almost 12 years ago.

My mom had an affair on my dad when I was 6. I saw the whole thing and was used pretty badly....

I actually wrote it out once for my little sister who is a result of the affair, maybe ill share it here...

Long story short, I moved back and fourth a lot between them, and was used pretty bad...

I lost him as a father before I ever turned 7, and until a year ago had gone over 9 years without seeing or talking to him virtually at all.

I can write more after work, I'm definitely getting better at typing on my phone at least!

Gabby


Samantha_Marie

Came home to another e-mail. Just added it...

Janet_Girl

Gabby, based on the point that he is saying things that you know are not true, and the fact he called your employer about this.  It is time to cut all ties with him.  He will not change and can only get worst, IMHO.

Cut and run.
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Samantha_Marie

That's what my Mom, sisters and even girlfriend/bestfriend said to do...

I guess that's the only choice he's leaving me in the matter though. I can't let him dictate my life for me and it looks like he is going to try.

Gabby

Epigania

Oi ... it seems to me that he's panicing.   He seems to feel a personal responsibility for your desire to transition and he's trying to manipulate you into changing your mind.   Like he somehow failed as a father.   You say that you've had a weak or non-existent relationship with him, and I think he's feeling vulnerable for not playing a more positive "Male influence" in your life. 

The best thing you can do is keep your resolve, I think.  If you want to save your relationship, try to convince him that it's not something he is responsible for.   That might help a bit.

As for calling the "Employee Services" I'm wondering who he called.  Yes, technically the insurance doesn't pay for "Sex Therapy" which includes all things Gender Identity, but the therapists, endo's, etc are all aware of this and work around that.  Mental Health is never covered well under insurance plans and they know that they won't get paid if they don't.   

I would be concerned that he'd call the insurance company next and somehow prompt them into putting you under a microscope.  I doubt they would or even care, but he sounds like the type that might do that in an effort to squash your efforts.  :(

*Hugs* ... I wish there was something I could say to help. :(

Sarah_aus

Hi Gabby,

It seems that he wants to be a part of your life, but he is scared, many fear what they don't understand.

I would personally cut your ties with him for now and give him some time, if you feel inclined, maybe send him some links and information, introduce him to the idea, and let him stew on it.

Either he will come around and see that you are still the same person, or he will act like a child, either way, it sounds like you have family that love and support you, and the action that he is taking will only serve to further alienate him from the rest of your family.

Love always,

Tali
"There is a place you can touch a woman that will drive her crazy. Her heart." - Melanie Griffith
"It's true that we don't know what we've got until we lose it, but it's also true that we don't know what we've been missing until it arrives." - Unknown
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Melody Maia

His desperation is quite startling. My sense is that there is much more going on here than simply your desire to transition and his fear of that. Maybe grief over the little boy he thought he knew and guilt at being totally wrong? Fear of what others might say about him being absentee in your life and it "leading" to your decision? Fear of feelings it is awakening in him? A reliving of this incident with your mom?  Could be lots of things, but it seems like your news has tapped into some deep emotions in him. This is much more about him than you. Giving him space and time might be the best course here. Any 8 hour road trips and giving him stuff would seem to be off the table.
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and i know that my heart is my home
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I can find in a melody



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