I finally voted, although I came down to about 3 and played einy, meiny miney mo  

Lately, I've had a lot of people telling, giving me an order, to define myself.
It's like WHAT ARE YOU. And then "Just choose ONE thiing!"
And I'm like, "Yes, but my choice is not among the ones you offer. So my choice won't fit into your binary-exclusive point of view."

And then we spend all night debating about perceptions.

It would be so easy to just say "I'm androgyne", but I refuse to do even that. Because saying "the object has an intrinsic property called "fill", of which it is about half", still leaves too much unsaid.

And those things which are not said, really bother me.

It's like I love the unknown, but fear choices.
And people tell me "FEAR CAN BE VANQUISHED", well, that contrasts sharply with my observations, fear never leaves, and is just managed.
Besides, all emotions and all feelings have their meaning. Just pretending to avoid those deemed as "disgusting" is wasted effort.

And stuff.

ZaidaZadkiel, labels aren't there to define you, no matter how many people think that's true. Labels are there for convenience's sake-- a quick way for others to whom it is relevant to identify you. So they're not worth agonizing about.

No one fits 100% cleanly into any label, and you shouldn't feel like you should have to.

Quote from: brainiac on August 16, 2010, 05:35:41 PM
Labels are there for convenience's sake-- a quick way for others to whom it is relevant to identify you.

Labels are like name tags, you have to fill in the blank yourself.

Yes, but how do I explain it to them ?

They seem to be from the point of view that their opinion and point of view is absolute truth.

Oh, good idea! I shall discuss the issue of errors and mistakes of judgments next time I see them.


Also, words have a dualistic division implicit.
Words define what the word is, and undefine everything the word is not.
Left is not right, and there is at some point, an invisible line between "left" and "right". The middle, if you will, but the middle has an invisible line between "middle" and "left", and between "middle" and "right".

These divisions seem to be arbitrary, and that's what's currently breaking my head.

Not sure yet/don't know.

I -think- I identify as androgyne, or genderqueer, or third gender.  Kind of a both/neither aspect, with respect to "man" and "woman."  When I started doing a lot of thinking about this months and months ago, I identified most with GQ because I didn't know.  And I still don't know.  Am I both?  A part of each?  Neither?

I'm not fluid, and I have plenty of gender.  Just haven't figured out what yet!

I think for many people, names and labels provide an important sense of identity & belonging. Like the relief of finally knowing what is making you sick even if you are no better, being able to associate with a group of people relieves the feeling of being alone and provides a sense of self that we are unable to achieve with them.

I just think it is impossible to be nowhere and so if you are not nowhere you should be somewhere and if you are somewhere you should know where that somewhere is and be able to give it a name.

I picked "I don't care" but not because I don't care, but because I don't care if I fit a label anymore.  I'm just happy being me, whatever that may be.   

What to do when more than one fits. *pulls out hair* 

I picked agender, though androgyne would work equally well (if it has a neither-male-nor-female non-binary flair, which it seem to possess.) 

Quote from: Jaimey on August 17, 2010, 07:30:38 PM
I picked "I don't care" but not because I don't care, but because I don't care if I fit a label anymore.  I'm just happy being me, whatever that may be.   

When you stop to smell a rose, aren't you glad you've got a nose?

Quote from: Pica Pica on August 19, 2010, 07:56:14 AM
When you stop to smell a rose, aren't you glad you've got a nose?

Indeed!

Personally myself I've interprited "third gender" and "androgyn" to be more or less....the same. *shrugs* So I actually voted androgyn first...then changed my mind to third gender. Eh.

I really find myself to be somewhere...truely between male and female (as if it were actually a 1-10 scale. I know it's not...just sayin.) When I think about myself as "male" it doesn't work because I'm just too female...but when I think of myself as female it doesn't work because I'm just too male. *shrugs* Androgyn...yep. Or...ya know..Third gender. A %50-%50 really.

It was a tough choice.  Narrowed it down to androgyne and genderqueer.  I finally went with genderqueer.

Quote from: Mathbeing on August 22, 2010, 02:12:24 AM
I picked androgyne, neither male nor female.  That describes pretty aptly how I feel.

Me too Mathbeing, me too.
I simply feel happily human, neither male nor female... in a good way.
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So far, I seem to be the lone raised hand for "trigender", but genderqueer or genderfluid could also fit, too.  Sometimes I feel more male, sometimes I feel more female, most of the times I don't really feel like I'm anything in particular.

When I was a kid, I remember playing with this four color pen once, and drawing a nursery full of little wrapped baby bundles, using all the colors of the pen - some were boys, some were girls, some were both, some were neither - and this seemed entirely logical to me, at the time.  Despite having had access to enough nursing texts as a kid to have a reasonable idea of XX and XY chromosomes.  Kids think interesting things before they're trained to turn their imaginations off...

I selected "I don't know" because none of the labels fit.

I had to select 'Other'.  After 5 years of poking, prodding and pondering i still can't manage to come up with a suitable ( to me ) definition of what gender is or if it even truly exists.

After much deliberation i changed my vote from genderfluid to bigender. It seems to fit better as i keep evolving.

What a strange thing GID is. I went from absolutely no awareness of it four years ago, living a typically male life - to a total awareness of it today. 

And my ways have changed also - now i let the girl out, fully dressed and made up, and let her play from time to time 

Quote from: phx_rising on August 21, 2010, 09:42:46 PM

I really find myself to be somewhere...truely between male and female (as if it were actually a 1-10 scale. I know it's not...just sayin.) When I think about myself as "male" it doesn't work because I'm just too female...but when I think of myself as female it doesn't work because I'm just too male. *shrugs* Androgyn...yep. Or...ya know..Third gender. A %50-%50 really.

I totally get this,
but I know that for me I can feel very Male & very Female at the same time to me 50% would mean average the average man is 50% Manly the average woman is 50% Fem I float around 40-75% male 60-80% Fem most of the time rarely at times of high emotional strain I get the Male side very high like 90+ where I feel the need for violence at the same time as a need to cry uncontrolably with normaly my pillow or tedy bear getting the abuse from me. thankfully that doesn't happen much.  I've never hit a living thing is this state and have avoided ever hitting anyone, I hate violence in all its forms.