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Started by azSam, September 20, 2010, 12:42:32 AM

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azSam

I don't start many new posts, but I wanted to bring up a topic that is important to me. This is a hypothetical thread. I'm not necessarily out to find someone (I have a man  ;) ).

So let's talk about finding someone, let's talk about the process, and the consequences that could follow. Whether they be good or bad. Some of this is taken from a forum post of mine from OKCupid that was part of a debate about dating a transwoman. Most of this subject pertains to a transwoman dating a CiS-man; However everyone is welcome on this discussion. And yes this is kind of long.

Mini-disclaimer: This is how I view things. I do expect people to view things differently. Please don't get mad if you disagree with anything, this is a discussion not an argument, we are all here to discuss.

People need relationships, we need companionship. This is something that is true in all cultures and does not discriminate against race or gender. Some people call it love, other people call it the evolutionary desire to procreate. I call it as I see it, I just need lots of cuddles.

Having a person to stand beside you is one of the most important privileges of being human. Having someone to share your joy, your sadness, your anger, and your love with, is a huge driving force in how we live our day-to-day life. When you find someone you truly connect with, you strive to become a better person because of them, you want to be perfect just for that special person. Transgender folks are no different than anyone else, we all (well most of us) need this companionship.

The problem starts to come to a head when you consider how our society generally views same-sex couples. While I was born a male, I am still female in absolutely every way except for a certain tumor that I would rather have nothing to do with. However, I seem to have to explain to everyone, that me being attracted to men does not mean I am gay. People see the penis between my legs and presume that sex with a male would imply that one or both of us is gay. This is an unfortunate fallacy that I've had to deal with a lot.

While I've already come out to all of my family, and they are (thankfully) 100% supportive, They still see me as "gay", even though they support me as a woman. I've had to explain to each of them that I am a straight woman, not a gay man who wears women's clothing. Even then some of them didn't understand it, and I had to explain how I am a girl, and it's not about the appearance of the organs, it's about the gender of the person themselves.

I am a girl, and I like men. Why is that so hard to grasp?

The problem continues to move forward when you think about the stigma that is placed upon same-sex couples. Various religious beliefs would have you believe that the relationship shared between same-sex couples is condemnable for any number of reasons. Many of our now-obsolete family values base themselves on the core beliefs of these very old religious views.

When you throw all of this into the mixing pot, you get a very paranoid, homophobic society that does not understand gender. The unfortunate reality for a lot of us is that our need for love is unable to be gratified. Women in my position prefer a straight man. So what's the problem with that, you ask? Well, the men I seek are confused, they see my penis and throw everything else out of the window, and since they are scared of the social stigma that would follow with being "gay", they will proceed to not only disengage from any relationship with a transwoman, sometimes they will go so far as to criticize, humiliate and even assault them.

The hostility towards transsexual individuals is unfortunate. But what are we to do? We have an obvious conflict that needs to get resolved.  You can't change your brain anymore than you can change your body. Altering your mind or altering your body; both are no different, in the sense that both are slightly deceiving. However, reprogramming your mind to fall in-line with your body is essentially killing off a part of yourself. You are changing the core character of yourself, and you are essentially a different person mentally. No one would want that under any circumstances. Changing your body only requires and outward change, everything else comes naturally. You are still you, with some cosmetic differences. Mentally I am a woman, physically I am mostly woman.

The possibility of mental anguish from heart breaks is scary enough, but add in the possibility of physical danger and it can become downright mortifying. But the need for companionship can be overwhelming, and should not be underestimated. And the payoff can be huge; finding someone who you truly connect with, that you can share your experiences with, can be enough to counteract these fears. However, I'm saddened by the reality that many of us are so terrified that we never even try.

So again, what are the implications of finding someone to love?
Is it worth it to try and find someone, or is it too dangerous?
How were you able to overcome your fears, and start looking?
Give us your story on how you found your special someone.
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Angela

Its hard to give advice on a matter like this. WhenI first started dating when  pre op, I had a date that punched me when I came out to them. My boyfriend Michael admitted to me if I was preop, he doesnt know if he would feel the same about me. My only advice is take things the way you want to, and 1 day that special person will come around. 
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sarahm

Who Cares! Guys are total jerks anyway!
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Angela

Sarahm, that is not a nice thing to say. Not all men are jerks, most of them are.  But I believe there a select few that are unique, its just a matter of being patient to find one, or in my case just dumb luck.  Also never forget, we used to be one of those "JERKS".  :P
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sarahm

Quote from: Angela Venetos on September 20, 2010, 06:48:56 AM
Sarahm, that is not a nice thing to say. Not all men are jerks, most of them are.  But I believe there a select few that are unique, its just a matter of being patient to find one, or in my case just dumb luck.  Also never forget, we used to be one of those "JERKS".  :P

No, I never used to >BE< one of them. I pretended to fit in with them.

None the less, you are right. Not all are bad. Just most of them. Like my own brother, my so called best friend from high school. Blegh. They suck.
But there was 1 guy who was there for me. He is so sweet and caring, and has this uniquely positive way at looking at things. He makes me smile, when I am sad.
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Octavianus

Quote from: sarahm on September 20, 2010, 07:19:08 AM
None the less, you are right. Not all are bad. Just most of them. Like my own brother, my so called best friend from high school. Blegh. They suck.
But there was 1 guy who was there for me. He is so sweet and caring, and has this uniquely positive way at looking at things. He makes me smile, when I am sad.

Just like you feel offended when people use a stereotype to judge you as a person, am I as a male a bit upset with the negative attitude towards guys that is sometimes talked about here. At least you don't write that we are all bad.

In general I think it is safe to say that humans are natural suspicious or even hateful towards everything that is strange to them. Just look at the hate against many minorities. This has been of all ages and cultures and is a very primitive trait. One that people need to overcome with education, better contact and a general open mindedness. Nothing will come from nothing so I think there is a large part to be played by us, schools and the media to make people more aware of what this condition actually is. There are many people who understand perfectly, the main problem is that a large part of the people who don't understand simply refuse to understand. These can't be helpend and are a lost cause to me.

Like Cicero wrote: "It is natural to make mistakes, but only the fool persists in his fault."
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ggina

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None the less, you are right. Not all are bad. Just most of them.

I must say you're both wrong :) People are not bad. If you get to know one specific person, then you can say he/she is bad but you can't say anything about the others you don't know.

While I too don't like how other people react to one's transness, we must understand that we all have a biological need to reproduce. And society is all built to help us in that process. It's not at all surprising that if one can't live up to that basic goal (and, let's face it, we can't) then he/she'll be outcasted, to a certain extent at least. It's not really about the men are afraid to get into a "gay" relationship but more about that if they do, they won't be able to reproduce. With their partner, anyway :)

It is a basic human/animal/natural/whatever need and any discrimination we face during our lives, must be viewed with that in mind. Every other aspect can only be secondary to that. It's very hard to find someone who have love and companionship as their first goal and don't really care if they can have children or can't. I know it hurts, I know, but that's the truth and we got to live with it.

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becky007

Being this way - TS - is really tough finding some one. It seems to be a whole different category. Just speaking for myself. I don't at all relate to gay men. I went through the thing of thinking - am I this way because I'm gay. The cross dressing. The turn on of feeling like a girl. Girls are supposed to be with guys - right. I've tried it a few times - it's just not doing it for me. The most interesting part was to experience what a girl does - but guys in general - I think are just very stupid. Maybe to just use for sex - then when finished - say "hit the road Jack". I have always been more comfortable with women.
The big problem with being this way has always been - gay men - want gay men. We are really women - sort of.
Straight men want women. Well - the sad truth is we are not really that either.
Straight women - want straight men. Sorry again. They generally seem to freak out when they find out. If they find out.
Lesbians also want women - turns out they seem to hate us also.
It can seem so lonely - no one can ever know the truth - and still love us.KH
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rejennyrated

Quote from: becky007 on September 20, 2010, 04:48:26 PM
It can seem so lonely - no one can ever know the truth - and still love us.KH
WRONG!  :laugh: There are plenty of men and women who do love us.

But even if that were not the case - and it is - I have an even more effective solution. - just look at my avatar!

When we met we were both in relationships with cis people. We were both already postop MtF. We have now been 22 gloriously happy years together so far. You can't beat the love of someone who has really been there!

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Nicky

Interestingly Samantha, after I came out and started living as the woman I am, everyone assumed I would start dating men!  People still ask me that.

I'm really lucky, I meet a fantastic lesbian woman who is now my mate.

So again, what are the implications of finding someone to love?
I don't see it being any different to anyone else finding love. Sure, we have some added challenges.

Is it worth it to try and find someone, or is it too dangerous?
Totally. There is a lot you can do to keep yourself safe, just like any other girl dating out there.

How were you able to overcome your fears, and start looking?
To tell you the truth I never looked. Meeting people just kind of happens.

Give us your story on how you found your special someone.
Well, I meet my beautiful lady at work. She had just broken up with her girlfriend of 4 years. She had actually meet me when I was presenting as a guy. So I was open about being trans from the start. We just got to chatting, and we had this magic connection that has just gotten stronger and stronger. We went on a couple 'dates', both of us not really sure if they were dates or not and just enjoyed eachothers company so much that we stayed in touch when she moved back to her city. We continue a long distance relationship, and meet every month or so. We are very much in love. We constantly surprise eachother. The first time we slept together she was really suprised that I just seemed like any other woman in bed, and that was really validating to me.
Next year she is going to move here to be with me and study. She intended to live in my city anyway so it is a win win. I love her, she is my angel.
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azSam

Aww Nicky that is such a cute story. Thank you for sharing it with us.

Quote from: becky007It can seem so lonely - no one can ever know the truth - and still love us.KH

I also disagree with this.




I bring up this subject of finding someone because I recently found someone. I wanted to hear other peoples stories and views on what a relationship means to them, being trans. I suppose I can share my story as well.

So again, what are the implications of finding someone to love?
As I stated in my first post, finding companionship with someone has a wide array of implications, ranging from very good to some very bad. The good things are obvious. Having someone to love, to bond with, and to advocate are huge benefits. However the possibility of heartbreak can be very saddening. Families can also get in the way, If you are in the closet with your companion's family, and they eventually find out, they could be opposed to the relationship, causing even more stress in the relationship.

Is it worth it to try and find someone, or is it too dangerous?
I think it is. We all need companionship. And finally finding someone just lightens up your life.

How were you able to overcome your fears, and start looking?
I didn't start looking either. It just sort of happened. I am very lucky to have met him.

Give us your story on how you found your special someone.
Well we met each other online. He was under the assumption I was a "regular" girl. I eventually came out to him, and he still loved me afterward. We've been together ever since. He is in school, and I plan to be moving closer to him within the next few weeks. He claims to be 100% straight, not even bicurious. He is just open minded and see's me as a woman, instead of a specific set of reproductive organs. He is as little interested in my "parts" as I am, and that makes me happy!

I love him, and I can't wait to be together with him. My thoughts are constantly on him, and I get sad when we don't talk for an extended length of time.
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JennX

Quote from: SamanthaFLA on September 20, 2010, 12:42:32 AM
I don't start many new posts, but I wanted to bring up a topic that is important to me.

So let's talk about finding someone, let's talk about the process, and the consequences that could follow. Whether they be good or bad. Some of this is taken from a forum post of mine from OKCupid that was part of a debate about dating a transwoman. Most of this subject pertains to a transwoman dating a CiS-man; However everyone is welcome on this discussion. And yes this is kind of long.

Mini-disclaimer: This is how I view things. I do expect people to view things differently. Please don't get mad if you disagree with anything, this is a discussion not an argument, we are all here to discuss.

People need relationships, we need companionship. This is something that is true in all cultures and does not discriminate against race or gender. Some people call it love, other people call it the evolutionary desire to procreate. I call it as I see it, I just need lots of cuddles.

Having a person to stand beside you is one of the most important privileges of being human. Having someone to share your joy, your sadness, your anger, and your love with, is a huge driving force in how we live our day-to-day life. When you find someone you truly connect with, you strive to become a better person because of them, you want to be perfect just for that special person. Transgender folks are no different than anyone else, we all (well most of us) need this companionship.

The problem starts to come to a head when you consider how our society generally views same-sex couples. While I was born a male, I am still female in absolutely every way except for a certain tumor that I would rather have nothing to do with. However, I seem to have to explain to everyone, that me being attracted to men does not mean I am gay. People see the penis between my legs and presume that sex with a male would imply that one or both of us is gay. This is an unfortunate fallacy that I've had to deal with a lot.

While I've already come out to all of my family, and they are (thankfully) 100% supportive, They still see me as "gay", even though they support me as a woman. I've had to explain to each of them that I am a straight woman, not a gay man who wears women's clothing. Even then some of them didn't understand it, and I had to explain how I am a girl, and it's not about the appearance of the organs, it's about the gender of the person themselves.

I am a girl, and I like men. Why is that so hard to grasp?

The problem continues to move forward when you think about the stigma that is placed upon same-sex couples. Various religious beliefs would have you believe that the relationship shared between same-sex couples is condemnable for any number of reasons. Many of our now-obsolete family values base themselves on the core beliefs of these very old religious views.

When you throw all of this into the mixing pot, you get a very paranoid, homophobic society that does not understand gender. The unfortunate reality for a lot of us is that our need for love is unable to be gratified. Women in my position prefer a straight man. So what's the problem with that, you ask? Well, the men I seek are confused, they see my penis and throw everything else out of the window, and since they are scared of the social stigma that would follow with being "gay", they will proceed to not only disengage from any relationship with a transwoman, sometimes they will go so far as to criticize, humiliate and even assault them.

The hostility towards transsexual individuals is unfortunate. But what are we to do? We have an obvious conflict that needs to get resolved.  You can't change your brain anymore than you can change your body. Altering your mind or altering your body; both are no different, in the sense that both are slightly deceiving. However, reprogramming your mind to fall in-line with your body is essentially killing off a part of yourself. You are changing the core character of yourself, and you are essentially a different person mentally. No one would want that under any circumstances. Changing your body only requires and outward change, everything else comes naturally. You are still you, with some cosmetic differences. Mentally I am a woman, physically I am mostly woman.

The possibility of mental anguish from heart breaks is scary enough, but add in the possibility of physical danger and it can become downright mortifying. But the need for companionship can be overwhelming, and should not be underestimated. And the payoff can be huge; finding someone who you truly connect with, that you can share your experiences with, can be enough to counteract these fears. However, I'm saddened by the reality that many of us are so terrified that we never even try.

So again, what are the implications of finding someone to love?
Is it worth it to try and find someone, or is it too dangerous?
How were you able to overcome your fears, and start looking?
Give us your story on how you found your special someone.


As far as the "how" goes... just like everyone else. You start looking or sometimes a potential s.o. will find you. Online is one, thru friends is another, just shopping or doing daily stuff is another. Not any different than most I have to say.

As to "implications" well that's a broad area. Do you mean the whole do I tell the guy upfront or wait a few dates? Or what specifically?

Basically the only way to overcome your fears is to get out there and do it. Few suitable guys have shown up un-announced on my door step to ask me out.  ;) Although I still keep my hopes up for Johnny Depp's car to brake down in front of my house. :) But just out at the mall or having dinner with friends, is good way to find a potential s.o. Bars, clubs, etc aren't the best venues, and if you do go that route a friend or two will help. Safety is one reason, a wing-person is another. ;)

I've met guys thru online, while just out doing errands, thru friends or sometimes at the least likely places. My current bf I met at the beach. Myself and a few friends were there and he came over and starting chatting us up, one thing led to another and the rest is history as they say. I've been seeing him for the last 2 months. Usually I have met most of the quality guys at the most mundane of places.

As far as the whole "mental aspect" and "I don't want to be seen as gay"... that depends more on your partner than you. He needs to understand and be educated enough on the issues to see the difference and be open minded and accepting enough to even take the time to hear and listen to what you have to say. There are guys out there and just any of my genetic gfs, we have to sort thru the lot the same way, good, bad, and ugly. No easy way around it.
;D
"If you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain."
-Dolly Parton
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ChrisJF

   Hi, my name's Chris. I'd like to share my story of how I met Samantha :)

     At first I was a bit uneasy. I had met Samantha online in a videogame and I had believed that she was not who I suspected she was. We just started out as friends and we'd group up and just play the game as one would expect from a couple of friends. It became a regular thing for us to play together and I enjoyed it greatly, looking forward to it every day after coming home from school. We really bonded in that game and I fell in love with her, despite the fact that I knew nearly nothing about her. I became suspicious though. She had never actually said that she was a woman and I had no proof that she was one. I went into stalker mode and I found out things about her. I had solid evidence that proved that she was not who she said she was, but I had already become emotionally attached and I refused to believe it.
   
     I admit, I was unhappy and confused. She had hinted at being female a few times and her behavior was so feminine. She also said things that only a woman would say.  There were multiple times where I thought to myself that I should just leave and forget all about her, but I kept thinking about the good times. So what if this person I'd fallen in love with is a guy? We've had nothing but fun and I was more than willing to continue our friendship.
   
     I confronted her about it one day while we were playing. She told me what I didn't want to believe. Again, I felt hurt, but I shrugged it off. I ignored it. I wanted to be friends with her even after knowing the truth (not all of it yet). I continued talking to her the same as I ever did. I was still having trouble believing what I had discovered, even after it was confirmed (kinda). I even flirted often just because I was in denial. We chatted for a few days, and I revealed some minor things about myself. I hadn't yet asked for an explanation for why she never revealed her gender. In fact, I never asked her. She came out to me on her own. She told me that she was a transgender woman. She gave me a brief story about her past and I listened with an open mind. I had never met a woman of this sort, so I was a bit shocked, but I didn't feel awkward. She explained to me how mentally, she is a female, but was born in a male body.
   
     I had never thought of it that way. To be honest I always thought that transgendered men and women only did it for the sexual thrill. It wasn't until I met Samantha that I began to understand that what I once believed is not true for everyone. I started feeling like I felt when I thought she was a woman, because she really is a woman. Yeah she might have a male sex organ, but who cares? I hadn't even seen her and I was already prepared to admit my love for her, long before she told me about herself. I love Samantha so much. I try to talk to her as much as I can when I'm away at school and I'm never truly happy unless we're online at the same time. I can't wait to finally be with her!
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Angela

Chris, thats great to hear !  How often do you get to see her?
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ChrisJF

Quote from: Angela Venetos on September 21, 2010, 06:07:12 AM
Chris, thats great to hear !  How often do you get to see her?

In person? Never :(. Online? Just about everyday :). I even chat with her during lectures at school, hehe. We're both dying to be together, but until then, instant messaging will have to do!
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Angela

I hope you get to meet her someday in person Chris.
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Steph

So there I was, surgery was finished, all healed up, and our divorce had been finalized, and although the divorce was planned and an amicable one, it left me with a feeling of extreme loneliness. There I was all by myself in my new apartment.  I was starting to get very depressed and I realized that I had to do something or go crazy.

I started to go to night clubs looking for companionship.  I wasn't really looking for a bf just folks to be with.  Guys asked me to dance and offered to buy drinks and such. I did meet a couple of guys and from friendship developed relationships albeit short lived.  The guys didn't workout although they knew about my past what they wanted in a relationship was not the same as I wanted. The first was strictly sex, and I broke that one off when he left because I didn't want to have sex with him one evening when he was drunk. The other guy turned into a couch potato, all he want to do was watch tv, boring.

So the bar scene was not producing a bumper crop of suiters so I turned to the Internet dating scene, Plenty of Fish to be precise. I found it to be a more relaxing way of meeting guys, I could pick and choose based on profiles and email/phone conversations before deciding to take the plunge and meet in person.

I remember the first guy was really, really nice however once he found out about my past he told me that he couldn't  continue with a relationship.  The next guy was not as good as the first but our relationship lasted a little over nine months before I decided to end it.  I was looking for a long term relationship, someone I could love and care for and someone who would love and care for me, someone who I could marry, and live the rest of my life with.

I was begging to wonder if there was such a person out there.  I stopped dating and just went clubbing on weekends.  This lasted for almost a year then I received an email notification that a person had left an comment on my Plenty of Fish profile.  I had forgotten about PoF and logged in to find a very short email simply saying that the person had looked at my profile and that I looked like a very "nice" person.  I remember thinking "nice"?  So I replied simply saying thank you.

Long story short, we met for coffee and from that first meeting it was love at first site, and it's been that way to this day. We moved in together, have joint bank accounts, and we are getting married summer 2011.  We had to delay the date as we both needed to get our finances in order.  This man has turned out to be the love of my life.  He cares for me and loves me, and wants to spend the rest of our lives together.

Yes I've been very lucky, yes there were many false starts, heartaches, and a lot of misery but it takes  all that to find mr right, or ms right as the case may be.  I think there is a song with the words that go something like "Looking for love in all the wrong places". And I believe that is really true.  To find mr right one needs to start looking for that person in the places we like to hang out at, not as in my case the bar scene, although I gained a lot of insight from that.

Steph
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Nicky

That is lovely Steph,

he sounds like a honey.
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