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Boys Who Like Boys - Do you have this problem?

Started by Ambrose, October 10, 2010, 11:15:51 AM

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Squirrel698

My favourite was my aunt:

"Come on really.  Aren't all women just gay men anyways?"

lol, try telling my Mother that and see how she reacts. 
"It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul"
Invictus - William Ernest Henley
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cynthialee

Quote from: Squirrel698 on October 12, 2010, 05:00:03 PM
My favourite was my aunt:

"Come on really.  Aren't all women just gay men anyways?"

lol, try telling my Mother that and see how she reacts.
ummmm ewww.
I like women. (except for that RARE dude who does it for me)
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Alexmakenoise

It's comforting to see that I'm not the only one who's put off transitioning in part because there's a wider pool of male partners when you're a man disguised as a woman than when you're a man.  I have often considered myself lucky, thinking, "What gay man wouldn't want to be able to disguise himself as a woman in order to get straight guys?"  Unfortunately, in my case, the disguise is permanent, which is not enviable.  And of course there's more to life than pursuing partners.  When I take sex and relationships out of the equation, I definitely want to present as male.

I've had a different experience with relationships than other people who have posted, though.  The boy brain / girl body  does work for me in relationships.  I seem to naturally gravitate to guys who see this as a good thing, or guys who just like me for who I am, regardless of gender identity and gender expression.

My current partner seems to truly have a preference for male brain / female body, and we balance well together because in some ways, he's like a woman in a male body.  Superficially, we take on traditional gender roles - he likes to pay for things, fix things, lift heavy objects, etc.  But he's femme in his mannerisms and way of thinking (if I try to describe it, it just sounds like a list of gender stereotypes, so I won't go there), and the things he admires about me most are more masculine traits: boldness, ambitiousness, determination work ethic, ability to keep my emotions in check, etc.  He just accepts me for who I am and I accept him for who he is.  It works for now.
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Izumi

This issue is that people find it difficult to grasp concepts outside their own experiences, so the way to approach it is to inform them in a way they can relate.

For example when i told my parents i did it this way:

For my dad:
Ok, what would it feel like if you went to war and Mr. Johnson took a bullet and was MIA?  wait for answer.  Ok, so you still feel like a man right? wait for answer (usually yes), but you feel less of a man without it right? wait of answer (usually yes), well imagine how i feel then, i have the brain of a woman, but not the body, it would be the same as going to war and losing EVERYTHING, can you imagine how that would feel everyday looking at yourself?  If someone gave you a chance to get that back, wouldnt you, as a man, do it to regain your manhood?  Well, this is no different, except i am regaining my womanhood.

For my mom:
Instead of war, just ask her how it would feel to lose both breasts to cancer and her reproductive system, the rest is the same.   

Usually, when you can place them into your world they have a better understanding of why you need to transition.  Its not about liking boys or girls, leave that part out in fact it will only confuse them, its about self image.

thanks bye.
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Izumi

Quote from: Squirrel698 on October 12, 2010, 05:00:03 PM
My favourite was my aunt:

"Come on really.  Aren't all women just gay men anyways?"

lol, try telling my Mother that and see how she reacts.

Personally if i had to choose between the two i would rather have been a gay man, then a TS woman.  A lot less work.
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niamh

When I came out to my mum she said:'but you like girls!' When I came out to my sister she was like: 'but all women want to be protected by a man.' They just couldn't understand me liking girls but also seeing myself as one.
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cynthialee

Quote from: niamh on October 14, 2010, 08:59:50 AM
When I came out to my mum she said:'but you like girls!' When I came out to my sister she was like: 'but all women want to be protected by a man.' They just couldn't understand me liking girls but also seeing myself as one.
This was one of my walls to transition I had to get over before I could transition.

Then it dawned on me....Ever hear of a being known as a lesbian? Yeah...thats me.
Then I was like....DUHHHH I am a girl who likes girls. I can transition without needing a man in my life.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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niamh

Quote from: cynthialee on October 14, 2010, 09:31:05 AM
This was one of my walls to transition I had to get over before I could transition.

Then it dawned on me....Ever hear of a being known as a lesbian? Yeah...thats me.
Then I was like....DUHHHH I am a girl who likes girls. I can transition without needing a man in my life.

No kidding, my mum told me that lesbians were created by the sex industry to sell more merchandise.
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Silver

Quote from: niamh on October 14, 2010, 09:54:45 AM
No kidding, my mum told me that lesbians were created by the sex industry to sell more merchandise.

:eusa_wall:
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Fencesitter

Quote from: niamh on October 14, 2010, 09:54:45 AM
No kidding, my mum told me that lesbians were created by the sex industry to sell more merchandise.

Note to myself: don't read in this forum while drinking soda. I'll have to clean the screen now.


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cynthialee

Quote from: niamh on October 14, 2010, 09:54:45 AM
No kidding, my mum told me that lesbians were created by the sex industry to sell more merchandise.
wow!
Who knew my mother was a tool of the system just to get me to buy more crap....
lol
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Arch

Quote from: kyril on October 11, 2010, 02:28:19 AMI mean, I'm like the total straight boy fantasy of a boy in a female body...

Actually, I think this is why my last relationship worked so well for so long.

And why he refused to have anal sex with me...
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Samson99

I really get where you're coming from. I recently came out to the people I believed really should know, and I started to learn more about myself. It's so difficult when, like you said, you know there is no real connection between the two, but your preference in partners may shift or you wonder why you would like men when you yourself are one.

I am bi personally, but I'm dating a straight man right now, and although our relationship baffles me, it works.

If you find yourself  being attracted to men, then that's great. Whatever works for you, y'know? I don't know how or why it happens, but it does, so might as well embrace it.
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Theo

Quote from: Alessandro on October 11, 2010, 02:42:20 PM
Hit the nail on the head right there.  One reason gay trans guys can't just 'be a straight girl' is because we will never be treated as the people we are, or wanted as that person by straight men.  Even with bisexual men it is awkward when all they see is girl.  These men want to be with a woman and there is a certain dynamic to that relationship that they are looking for which will clash with the dynamic we would want as gay men. 


That's it in a nutshell.

OP...

I think many non-trans people just don't have to think about it at all. For most of my life, because I didn't know FTM was possible, I thought I was just a particularly blokey gendered straight woman who liked men.




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