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Started by Mr.Rainey, November 21, 2010, 03:49:27 AM

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Mr.Rainey

I always behaved and thought as a guy. I was determined for a long time that I'd transiton untill I hit about 14 when I realized my mother was very unsupportive and I'd lose her. I also was selfish and thought that going the lesbian route would get me girls more easitly than if I were to be a transguy. I repressed those feelings for so many years and now (7 years later) they are coming to the surface. Nothing about being a woman brings me joy (other than being a lesbian but that is a very male reason lol) Being female brings me nothing but stress and pain. I hate it. Lately it has been so maddening and stressful I just want to put my fist thru some drywall. I really wish I stuck to my guns instead of folding. Mabey things would be better. I feel like I am in a questioing stage and I really don't know what to do. I don't know if this is the right choice, I hope its not to late to figure it out and if I so choose be a normal guy.
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JohnR

It's only too late if the lid of your coffin is being screwed down.
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BloodLeopard

JohnR totally says the truth.

Plus I know an 80 year old guy who JUST finally was able to achieve his lifelong dream of top and bottom surgeries not but earlier this year. It is never too late.
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justmeinoz

Not too late Mr R, I am 57 and going in the opposite direction.  I figure I am going to be around for another 30 years or so, so there is no need to rush things.  If you are in a questioning stage as you say, then keep asking them.  Maybe you can ease the disphoria by doing as has been suggested elsewhere, and think of yourself as a guy in drag.  Some people have found it helps a little.

Remember a job rushed is a job stuffed!
No reason to beat yourself up because you had to pull in to the pits for a while.
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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Sean

It's most certainly not too late. I'm transitioning in my 30s. I also felt sheepish and less legitimate for taking so long at first, especially given how many young men have started transitioning already.

Then I accepted the fact that: Transitioning is not a race.

It is not a competition.
There is no "official" right and perfect way to do it.
We all have triggers and events that lead us on our own individual paths, and the only life I need to worry about is my own.
I see nothing positive in sitting around regretting the past, and if I transitioned earlier, I wouldn't even be who I am today, so it is impossible to say I did it wrong.

Based on what you wrote, I think you might be interested in reading the book  Becoming a Visible Man by Jameson Green.
In Soviet Russa, Zero Divides by You!
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ilanthefirst

Sean has such good advice! 

There's also no shame in being in a questioning phase and not making any decisions right away.  I have a pretty similar history: considered that I might be trans when I was ~12 but assumed everyone felt like that because puberty is awkward and dismissed the ideas until 10 years later when it just couldn't be ignored anymore, and have been in a re-questioning phase for about half a year now, trying to learn as much as I can.  Feel free to send me a message if you need someone to talk to.
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Potter

Take your time questioning if you feel it's necessary. Think about it, transitioning isn't easy.
I'm also transitioning a bit later then most guys, I'm in my late twenties, so not as late as some.

I repressed these feelings for a long time too. In the beginning it seems like such a big thing and it's scary to think about wo you might lose along the way.

What really helped me was taking little steps, a hair cut, some male clothes, male shoes, wearing boxers. These thing don't have to be very visible but can help ease the feeling of wanting to put your fist through a drywall.
By doing it one step at a time I could see what fit me and how far I needed to go. It also helped me answer questions when I did finally come out, I had thought it through.

From now to my first little steps it's been 3,5 years, but I'm currently 4 month on T and I could not be happier.


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insideontheoutside

The most important thing to remember, as some have already said, there's no specific timeline.

Psychologically, I think imposing a timeline onto something of great magnitude makes it that much worse if for any reason the timeline isn't going according to schedule. Also, putting internal demands onto yourself, such as, "I HAVE TO do this", can be more detrimental than motivating.

When I started to figure those two things out it made a big difference in my overall outlook. I was putting a lot of personal demands onto myself and every time I didn't "live up to" those demands it crushed me that much harder. It took me a long time to modify the self-talk that was going on in my mind. When I started paying attention to it, I had been making about 30 demands on myself (using language like "I have to do .... whatever") before I even ate breakfast in the morning. It's still an on-going process for me to curb demands.

One of the ones I struggled with a lot in regards to gender was, I have to look more male. I started to question that. Why do I have to look more male? My initial answer was, well because that is who I am. After exploring that further I realized how closed-minded that answer was. Gender does not define who I am. Also, other people's standards of "male" do not define who I am or even whether I am male or not.

I hope no one takes this next bit the wrong way and I'll try to explain it as I feel about it personally - not as if it should be applied to everyone here. No matter how much I want fully functioning male equipment, it's never going to happen. Medically, right now, it doesn't even exist in the realm of possibilities. Until science comes up with a way to grow a penis, it just isn't going to happen. I don't want to start an argument about bottom surgery here. I'm just stating a fact as I see it. It's how each person individually comes to terms with that fact that's important. For one thing, having a fully functioning penis should not define a person either. People aren't defined by their genitals. Sure, having one would be fun and form a more complete overall comfort level in that it would enable the body to match what's in the mind, but if it's out of the realm of possibilities than you have to make your own decisions on what your compromises will be to fully enjoy your life. For some, having a surgery is the ticket. For others, having an artificial accessory (aka an artificial penis - not attached to you permanently) is the key. For still others what's between their legs doesn't even matter to them. It usually will take some experimenting to determine what makes you feel better and more complete. If you do nothing but focus on the bad things - the "shortcomings" - the ways in which you don't fit someone else's standards - then you most likely will never be happy either.

Don't be afraid to question either. It's only through questioning ourselves over and over that we're able to come up with answers. There may be a number of answers.

I hope nobody else takes this the wrong way either but again, for me personally it was a matter of confidence way more than it was a matter of what's between my legs or how society as a whole might view me. If you can somehow manage, in spite of everything, to accept who you are (and I don't mean accept that you are "female") and live your life in the fullest manner possible, then your mind will change. Finding who you really are is different for everyone. For me, I actually had to go back to how I thought when I was a child - before I knew about gender or sexuality. I was simply me. I did not base my actions on other people's opinions. I had the support of my parents early on who encouraged me to be myself. I have noticed over the years how when I didn't have the support of people around me who made me feel comfortable enough to just be myself, that is when I had more problems. Further analysis of those situations led me to think that I was relying on that support - since I had it early in life - in order TO be myself and then realized that to be myself was really quite simple - I just had to have the confidence to do it.

It may seem like I've got all the confidence in the world now, but it's still an ongoing thing. I have a lot more than I used to have that's for certain and I've realized that no matter what body I would have been born into I still have always had the control to be myself (just didn't always use it). I've been able to do just about everything I've wanted to do without restrictions based on gender (or personal restrictions I had placed on myself because I felt I was the "wrong" gender).

I imagine you're 21 now Rainey ... had I realized some of the things I mentioned above when I was that age I'm pretty sure I could have saved myself I lot of anguish. I tried for a good chunk of years to be female, but it was just a mask I was putting on and pretending to be okay with it while it was on. But the conclusion I personally came to was very different from some others. I realized I didn't need to "conform" to an idealized standard. I realized I didn't actually need for society to refer to me as male. I just needed to feel okay with being myself in my own mind. I'm able to function in society and be myself and very few people along the way have given me ->-bleeped-<- over it or even really noticed (example - dressing however I want). I've found over time most people don't notice what you're doing - they're too wrapped up in their own lives to care. If you're family doesn't accept the way you act, or dress or think, you can't sacrifice your own happiness and sanity just to appease them. For me, I circumvented that by not "coming out" to my parents - but simply just dressing, acting and thinking how I felt comfortable anyway. Some may call that a cop out, but I don't think so. I think what it did do is save a lot of drama in the years where I was really torn up about what would make me happy. That's not a decision for everyone though. Many people feel "coming out" to those close to them is the 1st step and that's fine, but if you do that, you can't live your life based on their reactions then - good or bad. You'll find people who do accept you for you, though, and those are the important people to have in your life.

I know that's a bit of a ramble but hopefully it makes sense!
"Let's conspire to ignite all the souls that would die just to feel alive."
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insideontheoutside

Quote from: Potter on November 21, 2010, 04:06:42 PM
What really helped me was taking little steps, a hair cut, some male clothes, male shoes, wearing boxers. These thing don't have to be very visible but can help ease the feeling of wanting to put your fist through a drywall.
By doing it one step at a time I could see what fit me and how far I needed to go. It also helped me answer questions when I did finally come out, I had thought it through.

This is a great example of what I meant about experimenting and trying different things out.

I've actually gotten to the point where I have the balls to actually, well, have balls in public, even if some people might see me as female. Not everyone can get to that point without starting on the road to transition. I realize a lot of people just aren't okay with androgyny or would feel weird about someone noticing they have a bulge in their pants yet they might appear female. Like I said, it takes some serious confidence. But honestly, I think most people do not look at my crotch. I'm sure there's some who do, but what they think is their business and what I think or may choose to dress like is my business.
"Let's conspire to ignite all the souls that would die just to feel alive."
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Mr.Rainey

Funny thing is I pass almost all the time. I have a buzzcut and a flat chest so people assume I am a 14 yo boy (I never wear girl clothes exept shoes I have some tiny feet and have no idea where to find a men's size 5) but mabey thats a good thing so I can kinda pick up where I left off. I guess I am just scared of losing my mom's side of the family. I know my Dad would be okay with it, Dad is always okay with everything as long as its not violence or drugs. He even dated a transwoman once. I know I'd most likely lose my Mom and my Grandma, IDK if my aunt or my Grandad would care but the might get pulled away by the other two. I'm also worried about is girls and how I'd handle dating (Like all guys I like chasing girls XD sorry but its true)
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Sean

Quote from: Mr.Rainey on November 21, 2010, 05:48:20 PM
Funny thing is I pass almost all the time. I have a buzzcut and a flat chest so people assume I am a 14 yo boy (I never wear girl clothes exept shoes I have some tiny feet and have no idea where to find a men's size 5) but mabey thats a good thing so I can kinda pick up where I left off. I guess I am just scared of losing my mom's side of the family. I know my Dad would be okay with it, Dad is always okay with everything as long as its not violence or drugs. He even dated a transwoman once. I know I'd most likely lose my Mom and my Grandma, IDK if my aunt or my Grandad would care but the might get pulled away by the other two. I'm also worried about is girls and how I'd handle dating (Like all guys I like chasing girls XD sorry but its true)

If you care about the shoe thing: Men's size 5 (US) can be found in the youth department. Boys sizes go up to 6. Options can be limited, depending on style. But it exists. The problem is that many manufacturers don't make anything between 6 and 7, sometimes not even between 6 and 8. It helps to note which manufacturers make these small men's sizes - I believe both Addidas and Rockport do. I've done well wearing unisex styles like Timberland's and Chuck's (converse), but even those are found in boys or men's shoes (depending on which side of 7 you are).

If you don't care about shoes: never mind. Heh.

And...no, not all guys like chasing girls. Gay peoples = real. Haha. Seriously, though, just being comfortable in who you are will help you get girls. So I'd figure that out rather than deciding what to do based on how you think it'll help you attract women, because what's important is confidence and your mental well-being.
In Soviet Russa, Zero Divides by You!
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Arch

Hudson's Guide has a list of retailers that carry men's shoes in smaller sizes--probably mostly online, but it's better than nothing--and you can get higher quality boys' shoes as well.

"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Devyn

Quote from: JohnR on November 21, 2010, 03:54:23 AM
It's only too late if the lid of your coffin is being screwed down.

I agree with JohnR 100%.
It really is only too late if the lid of your coffin is being screwed down. There are so many transmen and transwomen in their 30's, 40's, 50, 60's, hell, even 70's and 80's that are just beginning to transition. It's never too late.
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Arch

I didn't come ALL the way out of the closet until I was 45. I had my 46th birthday a couple of weeks into gender therapy, and I started T six months later. Was it too late to start transition? Absolutely not. I'm living as myself for the first time in my life.

It is wonderful.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Alexmakenoise

I'm in my early 30s and still haven't transitioned yet, though I've been thinking about it for at least 10 years and have    known I was male my whole life.  I have no doubt that I'm trans, but I also am aware that transition is not something to take lightly.  And I'm not one to rush into things.

Transitioning later in life doesn't mean you're less trans.  It means you've taken more time to think about it.
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Robert Scott

I am 39 and I am starting to transition ... never too late to be yourself
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BloodLeopard

Quote from: Sean on November 21, 2010, 06:34:54 AM
Transitioning is not a race.

I feel like it is. Not a race against anyone else, but a race against me being sane, safe, and sound. If I don't do it, I don't think I'll manage to stay strong enough to fight alot of urges of self-harm. The only thing keeping me from doing so is because I have hope of being who I am physically, and living to where I can be comfortable with myself without nasty periods or the ever present paranoia I'll get raped and get pregnant.
I wouldn't care so much on the rape part, but the pregnant part, I do.
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Aegir

I can relate to the feelings of fist-through-drywall. I've just turned 22 a few days ago and I feel like I'm always mad and everyone around me thinks I'm just overflowing with rage.

I can't really help but I don't want you to feel alone; we're pissed off together bro.
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sneakersjay

I didn't know my 'problem' had a name or a cure until I was 47, right around my birthday.  I just assumed I was a tomboy and was somewhat weird.

So no, it's never too late to be who you are.  And as others have said, there is no one right way or timetable for transition; go at your own pace and do what's right for YOU.


Jay


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Mr.Rainey

Quote from: Aegir on November 24, 2010, 07:03:31 AM
I can relate to the feelings of fist-through-drywall. I've just turned 22 a few days ago and I feel like I'm always mad and everyone around me thinks I'm just overflowing with rage.

I can't really help but I don't want you to feel alone; we're pissed off together bro.
Thanks man.
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