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Top 10 things to avoid traffic stops and things to do if stopped.

Started by BrandiOK, January 08, 2007, 02:42:24 PM

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BrandiOK

  Ok...as a former police officer I have people who all the time complain about how they were unfairly ticketed for some random infraction so I thought I would tell a little story and then offer up some helpful hints.

  A couple years after leaving the police department I was working in an unrelated field and training a new employee.  I'll call him "Scooter" for the purpose of this story.  Scooter had an attendance problem from the time he started.  He was often late because he overslept or a multitude of other excuses.  On more than one occasion he came in late cussing about how it wasn't his fault because some cop pulled him over for no reason.  Finally I had enough and gave him my "Let's look at the facts" speech.  I said "The first time you came in late because you were pulled over by the police what was the reason they gave you for the stop?".  His answer was "speeding".  I asked "Were you speeding?".  His answer was "yes but I was late and there was almost no traffic so it was bullsh*t".  I said "So you are admitting that you commited the infraction correct?".  He says "Yes but there was no reason to pull me over because I wasn't endangering anyone."  I said "Does the law say travelling in excess of the posted speed limit is a crime only if there is a lot of traffic?".  He looks at me and says "No".  I say "Ok...so you broke the law and you were pulled over and cited for it by your own admission, correct?".  Scooter says "Yes but it wasn't fair.".  I say "Explain to me what is unfair about you being cited for breaking a law?".  Scooter has no answer and realizes that he's not gonna win this arguement.

  Approximately 2 days later Scooter is late again.  This time he is ranting and raving about getting pulled over and how he is being targeted by the police department.  I interrupt his rant and say "Scooter...why did you get pulled over this time?".  He says "For running a red light and speeding.".  I say "Did you run the red light and were you speeding?".  Keep in mind that Scooter is extremely irritated at this point.  He answers "Yeah...I ran the red light and I was speeding but I was the only <explative> car on the road and I was late!!!".  I said "So....lemme just go over the facts here and figure this out".  I said "You were running late because the police snuck into your house again and turned off your alarm clock, they waited outside until you woke up and then followed you down the highway while using some secret cop weapon to increase the speed of your truck past the posted limit, they conspired with the computers that control the traffic lights to turn the light red just as you got there and they did ALL of this because they don't like you and wanted to write you tickets...that about right?".  Scooter stood there quietly looking quite silly. 

  I said let's look at the facts..."You overslept because you were too lazy to get out of bed when the alarm went off, you obviously don't hold much regard for your job.  You CHOSE to break the law because you thought you could get away with it.  You have NOBODY to blame but yourself and are 100% responsible for your actions. The police officer targeted you not because he has a personal problem with you but because you were the ONLY person on the road AND you were breaking the law, kind of hard for him to miss something like that don't ya' think?".  Scooter didn't say anything and began working. After about an hour later he came to me and said "You're right....I've been an @ss and an idiot.". 

  In the next yeat that I worked with Scooter he didn't recieve a single ticket, wasn't late a single time and excelled at his job.  He used to joke about being so afraid of getting another @ss chewing from me that he would signal a turn even when he was walking LOL.

Onto the top ten list (these are NOT ranked in order of importance as they are all important):

10. Use your TURN SIGNALS!! Failure to do so is a great way to get stopped.  Sure you may almost never use them and get away with it but eventually your luck will probably run out and it's such a simple thing to do to avoid a citation.

9.   Don't perform obviously illegal maneuvers.  Drivers call attention to themselves by making illegal U turns, rapidly changing lanes, changing multiple lanes or following another vehicle too closely.

8.   Watch your lane!! One of the main indications of an intoxicated driver is "LOC" or "Left of center" which means drifting out of your lane and the police watch for this one very closely.  Sober drivers often do the same thing when they are distracted by cell phones, music or vehicle passengers and never realize they did it.  Hence almost every single driver will deny that they were weaving or ever left their lane at all.

7.   Keep your music to a level that does not attract attention.  In many jurisdictions you can be pulled over and cited for violation of the noise ordinace if your music can be heard by someone in another vehicle who has thier windows up.  Also loud music draws attention and attention is what you are trying to avoid.

6.   ALWAYS make sure your vehicle tags are up to date.  An out of date tag screams to be pulled over.

5.   ALWAYS make sure your vehicle tag is clean and the numbers are easily seen.  Mud, road grime or even a tow hitch in front of the tag which makes it difficult to read by a police officer will get you cited fast.

4.   Make sure your headlights, blinkers and running lights are all functional.  Especially in the evening a missing headlight or taillight sticks out like a neon sign.

3.   Wear your seatbelt. Totally aside from being a safety issue many jurisdictions may now use lack of seatbelt usage as a reason to stop you.  You can argue about a police officer not being able to tell if you had a seatbelt on or not all day but I promise you that when you spend as much time watching for this kind of thing as they do they are very good at seeing who's wearing and who's not.

2.    NEVER, EVER cop an attitude with a police officer.  Always maintain a calm demeanor even if the police officer comes off with attitude towards you initially.  You have just been been pulled over and now is not the time to become arguementative..I promise you will lose.  If you were treated unfairly keep notes of things that were said and present your case in court where you have a chance.  Never insist a police officer give you his name and badge number...that's just TV stuff and makes you look silly.  The officers name is on his shirt and will be on the citation you are given.  Remember...when you lose your cool things are going to get worse and should it end up in court your behavior at the time of the incident will be weighed heavily by the judge.

1.   Ok...here's the big one.  BE HONEST!!! Police officers have heard every lame excuse for why a driver did what they did and in 99.9% of cases it's nothing more than an attempt to get out of a ticket.  So if you are that .1% who's actually on the way to the hospital because your wife is having a baby or your mother was in an accident you are out of luck.  You will not have a reason that will justify exceeding the speed limit or running a stop sign or making an illegal turn so don't even try.  The very best thing you can do is be honest...when the officer asks why you did what you did tell them "I have no excuse, I wasn't paying attention like I should have been and I apologize.".  You have a much better chance of getting away with a verbal or written warning if you drop the BS and admit you screwed up.  Also....avoid any overly dramatic behavior...these men and women have seen it all and you will come off as insincere.  If you have no license or insurance don't lie to get out of it..it will come out eventually and you will be in much more serious trouble. If you are presenting in a gender role other than that which your identification shows be prepared to answer questions on the subject.  Most of the time they are not being rude or malicious but simply making an accurate determination of your identity so don't make it into more than it is, once again if things aren't going your way save the fight for court where you have a chance.

  The reason I put this in the "Transgender Talk" section is because dealing with law enforcement can be even more stressful for transgendered individuals especially those who are pre or mid transition TS or presenting as a different gender role than how they are identified legally.  My goal here is to point out some behaviors to be avoided so that you don't draw unnecessary attention to yourself on the road and how to deal with it should you get pulled over.
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Dennis

Good post, Brandi. I agree wholeheartedly, especially with the don't pull an attitude. No point. If you're in the right, take it to court and argue it there. If you're in the wrong, you might just get away with it if you admit to it and say you're sorry or are at least nice about being pulled over.

I once ran a stop sign and cut off a cop. When he came to the window I said "was that the dumbest thing you've seen someone do all day or do I have competition?" He laughed and gave me a warning. You'll never get out of a ticket by being a jerk and you just might get a break if you're decent about it.

Cops are people too and they're just trying to do their jobs.

Dennis
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Melissa

Another one I have heard is if you do find yourself speeding past a cop, slow down immediately. It at least shows that you respect the police and be apologetic about it if they do pull you over.  Anyhow, I pretty much follow what was said above and I haven't been pulled over for the last 12 years (knock on wood).  The one time in my life I did get pulled over, I got a ticket, but I didn't fight it, because I had clearly broken the law and was speeding bigtime.

Melissa
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cindianna_jones

I wave at every officer I meet.  I've gotten to know them by name here in my small town.  They are public servants and are very thankful when they are shown appreciation. They usually just catch flack from the citizens they protect. 

Here is a true story about my hubby's sis. She is a very intelligent woman, attractive and blonde. She is not opposed to playing dumb blonde when it suits her.  She was speeding and was pulled over.  The conversation went something like this:

"Maam, did you know you were doing 65 in a 55 zone?"
"Oh officer, I am so glad to se you!  Did you see that man following me?  He's been chasing me for several minutes and I haven't been able to shake him.  OMG, I'm shaking... look at my hands! I've been driving all over looking for the police station but I don't know where it is... and this man was in a really big car chasing me..."
"Maam, can you tell me what the car looked like?"
"It was a REALLY big and fast car.  OMG I can't believe I'm still alive.  It was a REALLY big and fast car and the man looked really mean OMG.  I think I had better go see a doctor or something. Look at my hands shake.  I'm so glad to see you. You have saved my life.  It was a REALLY big car and that man was so scary!"
"Maam, can I escort you to your home?"
"OMG, please, oh yes, thank you! Thank you!"

And that was the end of her potential ticket.  The officer escorted her home, followed up with a phone call, and she now has a story to tell.

Cindi
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Chaunte

Brandi,

Great post!

A couple of months ago, the local police were doing a roadblock looking for out of date inspection and registration tags.  I would be lying if I said that I just took it in stride because I was looking like me, instead of my male self.

Fortunately, my tags were up to date and the officer waved me on.  I didn't even have to come to a complete stop.  I mouthed a thank you, smiled and drove on.  (There were three vehicles already pulled over waiting to "explain" why their tags were not up to date.  Oops.)

Chaunte
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LynnER

I agree on the truth thing...  I was at a stopsign at a blind intersection.....  I watched the visable traffic and started to cross....  I hit a red ponitac who was speeding...

Yeah, I got a ticket....  when I went to court for it I shruged and asked the judge what he wanted to hear.  He said the truth, just what you saw happen... I have a full repport right here.  So I told him I stopped, I waited, and when It seemed clear I tried to cross and the front end of my car impacted the front driverside pannel of the other persons car... I spun and she nearly hit an appartment building...

I walked out with a small fine for driveing with a restriction on my liscence and a defencive driveing class....

Over half a year later I was caught in a routine traffic stop (where they find a street where you cant turn to get away once you notice the checkpoint) and I was beyond nervous.... I didnt look like the pic on my ID and I still hadnt gotten the restriction removed from my liscence...

When questioned I answered honestly, and all my other paperwork and tags and such were up to date so they let me go with a verbal warning....

Dont lie to cops... its kinda pointless and tends to get you into more troubblethan its worth...
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Melissa

Quote from: LynnER on January 08, 2007, 06:48:44 PM
Dont lie to cops... its kinda pointless and tends to get you into more troubblethan its worth...
You said it.  I have talked to cops when I was a victim once (car stolen) and the cop was telling me how it seems almost everyone lies despite the fact that they've heard just about everything.

Actually, this kind of reminds me of a joke I heard:
QuoteA police officer pulls an old lady over for speeding and has the following exchange:
Officer: May I see your driver's license?
Driver: I don't have one. I had it suspended when I got my 5th DUI.
Officer: May I see the owner's card for this vehicle?
Driver: It's not my car. I stole it.
Officer: The car is stolen?
Driver: That's right. But come to think of it, I think I saw the owner's
card in the glove box when I was putting my gun in there.
Officer: There's a gun in the glove box?
Driver: Yes sir. That's where I put it after I shot and killed the woman
who owns this car and stuffed her in the trunk.
Officer: There's a BODY in the TRUNK?!?!?
Driver: Yes, sir.
Hearing this, the officer immediately called his captain. The car was
quickly surrounded by police, and the captain approached the driver to
handle the tense situation:
Captain: Ma'am, can I see your license?
Driver: Sure. Here it is.
It was valid.
Captain: Who's car is this?
Driver: It's mine, officer. Here's the owner' card.
The driver owned the car.
Captain: Could you slowly open your glove box so I can see if there's a
gun in it?
Driver: Yes, sir, but there's no gun in it.
Sure enough, there was nothing in the glove box.
Captain: Would you mind opening your trunk? I was told you said there's a
body in it.
Driver: No problem.
Trunk is opened; no body.
Captain: I don't understand it. The officer who stopped you said you told
him you didn't have a license, stole the car, had a gun in the glovebox,
and that there was a dead body in the trunk.
Driver: Yeah, I'll bet the lying s.o.b. told you I was speeding, too!

Melissa
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Sheila

Brandi,
  You are so right on all that you have said. I used to work on the Human Right Commission and I took a course, called the Citizens Police Acadamy. It was great. We got to go out and ride with the officers and we just learned all about their job. It is one of the most stressful jobs a person can have. There are some bad officers out there, but for the most part they are pretty decent. I met, on our police force, most of the officers all the way up to the Chief. Most know me and they know all about Transexuals. We gave them instructions on how to deal with TS people. So, if you can, you should be able to get with your Human Rights people in your city and try to set up some training or make some paperwork on training on how to deal with TS. We may not have rights on Gender Identity, but we still have rights as Human beings.
Sheila
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LostInTime

Ever see the Chris Rock version?   ;D

I am sure you could find it on You Tube.  Funny stuff.
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JessicaH

Great post, Brandi. I will add something else that may help although I do EVERYTHING you said as well and I have got warnings the last 11 times I got pulled over for speeding. that's over about 15 years and I drive about 50-60,000 miles a year and I drive a tad fast.

One thing I always do is make sure I pull over in a safe area for me AND the officer. I put on emergency flashers and turn on my interior light if it is dark outside so that he can see me clearly before walking up. I place my right hand on the passenger seat where he can see it and I roll down my window and put my elbow on the door and hand where he can see it. Don't go looking through your glove compartment while he is walking up. I do all this to put the officer at ease and I'm sure they appreciate it. The easier you and less stressful you make the stop for him, the better mood he will be in an less chance of a ticket. It worked for me 6 times in the last 2 years! Most of the time, the cops here in tx just have a quota on CONTACTS, not tickets so follow these simple rules and you probably wont get ticketed , bu the police.

BTW, the Chris Rock "how to not get your As* kicked , by the police" is hysterical. One of the funniest things on the internet!
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