Well girls, we never will have a chance to experience childbirth.  But there at least one man who knows what it sort of feels like.

And I do realize that a few of the guys have already went through it.

So who would want to go through this?  Any takers.  Oh and you don't get to just quit half way through.  Could you last 12 hours or 22 hours as an ex did with my second.

As interesting as this apparently was, its implied conclusions are a falacy.

I will appreciate that labour is difficult and painful. But the simply fact of the matter is, most women choose to do it several times.

I've heard the feminist argument that women are forced by a male oppressive society. That's utter nonsense.

The reasons women can do this is because it is a natural function of their bodies.

 The reasons women can do this is because it is a natural function of their bodies.

I feel thats a more accurate statement.  Throughout history woman have died in childbirth so its not a given that they can do it.  I'm also pretty sure its accepted by the medical world that womens tolerance for pain is way higher then mens, which is just another 'adjustment' nature made for the horrendously painful curse placed on the womans body.

Also, I haven't heard of any woman who chooses the pain, they choose to have children, unfortunately the pain comes with birthing. 

Well, I'm a boy but whatever.

Birth is painful from what I've heard; very, very painful. Pregnancy isn't a walk in the park either.

I'd rather adopt, I always have wanted to. Adoption has a lot of positive benefits.

Quote from: espo on February 23, 2011, 09:09:06 PM
Also, I haven't heard of any woman who chooses the pain, they choose to have children, unfortunately the pain comes with birthing.

Yeah.  I was under the impression that women gave birth so that the human species would survive.

Then again, I've been wrong in the past.

I was under the impression that most women have children because they get knocked up. LOL

Ok, here's the thing. Women go through this pain because they know they will have a baby at end of it. A brand new person. Here this poor man has absolutely nothing to look forward to except the experiment stopping. What's the point?

My GID is in remission, for maybe an hour or so.

It would be interesting to have a transman undergo the same experiment that this guy did. That would be a transman who has had a prior child-birth and is now on T.

Also, I want that machine. It would make a great addition to my dungeon

Quote from: Michelle. on February 24, 2011, 12:13:45 AM
My GID is in remission, for maybe an hour or so.

It would be interesting to have a transman undergo the same experiment that this guy did. That would be a transman who has had a prior child-birth and is now on T.

Also, I want that machine. It would make a great addition to my dungeon

I think a more interesting question is whether we as transwomen gain a higher threshold of pain by virtue of HRT.

When I injected my testis with pure Alcohol in an attempt to kill them I imagine the second hour following was abit like that although in reverse. but I of course can't say for sure

Extremely painful abdominal contractions where my whole abdomen was squeezing extremely hard until exhaustion then repeating after 11-15seconds the crew-master muscles was also contracting very hard trying to pull my testis through my abdominal wall which caused an heavy dull ache and a great sense of pressure because it clearly wasn't gonna work. I would put it at 12/10

I dunno I think all individuals have variable pain thresholds my pain threshold has always been stupidly high an easy comparison is how much electrolysis can you endure in comparison to natal women. Or natal men for that matter. I don't know of any males who've been fed into the electrolysis machine.

I'm weird I guess, I didn't really have any pain except the back labor with my twins for about an hour. The rest was a breeze. The docs and nurses were quite surprised also.

Quote from: Melody Maia on February 23, 2011, 11:39:15 PM
Ok, here's the thing. Women go through this pain because they know they will have a baby at end of it. A brand new person. Here this poor man has absolutely nothing to look forward to except the experiment stopping. What's the point?

This is what I am thinking.

A few years ago, there was a short lived fashion for men to wear some heavy lump, so they could experience the discomfort of carrying a baby in utrio. This didn't really catch on here in the UK, but I do recall seeing one man doing this and complaining of a very sore back. I pointed out to him that a preganant woman also carried two rather large, engorged breasts. If he really wants to experience the child birth experience, he should have those as well.

Incidently, that guy, I hear, still sufferes back problems.

The point is, men are not designed to give birth. Women are.

espo made the point that women have died in child birth, throught history. That is true, but grossly exagerated. It's a matter of simply statistics. If women were dying in huge numbers, there wouldn't be any women left.

Most deaths in child birth happened because of purpural feaver, which was largely caused by the insistance of early medics, that they should supervise child birth and midwives were habitually accused of witchcraft and burned to death. This continued until a man by the name of  Ignaz Semmelweis suggested that men should wash their hands before attending women in child birth. His reward for this outrage was to be tricked into a mental institution where he was beaten to death. It was only later that  Pasteur and  Lister adopted his work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Pasteur

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Lister,_1st_Baron_Lister

I worked, for a short period in a maternity hospital, which was more a baby factory, and witnessed 11 births. I also attended women, pre and post natal. I fully appreciate what they have to go through. But the fact that they do and do repeatedly, indicates that their bodies are designed for this.

There are, undoubtedly, some women, who will dutifully answer the summons of a man, to carry and produce a child. However, I doubt these are very many. With only a couple of exceptions, the limiting factor that is cited by all women, on how often, or if they become pregnant, is how many children they believe they can deal with as independant entities.

espo made the point that women have died in child birth, throught history. That is true, but grossly exagerated. It's a matter of simply statistics. If women were dying in huge numbers, there wouldn't be any women left.(spacial)

With your reasoning,  we can assume that the numbers of men who have died in wars are also grossly exaggerated since there are still men left and the number of children in the 3rd world are grossly exaggerated too, since there are still child left.