Quote from: chokhor on February 14, 2011, 08:13:00 PM
I get the single syllable thing, laziness, societal tendencies, etc.

I refer to myself as Droĝ (pronounced 'draw-j') as a lazy short for Androgyne. The second syllable of the word has the dro from andro and the soft g from gyno.

I figure it can also fit into the drab (dressed as boy), drag (dressed as girl) dynamic as droĝ (dressed other gender).

The ĝ is optional, it just indicates the g is pronounced as in general or giant.

I like it! 

   After thinking about it for awhile, I have to agree. I also like it.

Well, this is fascinating!

I've spent a good while lately on google and wikipedia and so on, trying to see if there was a term that fit me, and as far as I can tell/feel, none of the above does the trick so well as "niizh manidoowag" - the Ojibwe phrase that means something like "two-spirited".

I have a male body - and both a female and a male self, at the same time*. Neither of them have periods where they're dominant, they're just both running in parallel all the time. Androgyny doesn't seem to fit because it seems most people mean something more like "I am neither" with that word. Bigendered doesn't seem to fit because it seems most people mean something more like "I switch about between the two" with that word.

I'm reluctant to call myself niizh manidoowag or two-spirited because I'm reluctant to "spiritualise" something that's just my nature, and it's too easy to make something artificially extraordinary or spiritual, when it's just is how it is. So in the end, I'm experimenting with calling myself "ambigendered" which, with its connotation of "both at the same time" is the best I can do. Or in practice, what I tell people (when I tell people) is "I'm both at the same time" because if I say "ambigendered" I then have to say that anyway .

I'm new to this business in terms of terms - so it may be that there are already other words floating about that also fit my definition of ambigendered. If so, I'd be interested to hear them. It does seem like there's a whole swathe of not-quite-the-same-or-different terms because everyone's experience and identity is a little different from the next. I guess it never does any harm when using labels to add "by which I mean..." and not assume the next person means the same thing by it.

Most of us use Androgyne to cover any non-binary identity, so while I don't have a suggestion for a specific term, Androgyne is an umbrella term.  "Neither" is usually null/neutrosis...terms like that.

Thanks, that helps - since I've been doing more reading on this and other forums, it's easier to see that wikipedia isn't always the best place to go for information!

Quote from: hylie random on February 03, 2011, 10:57:16 PM
I sort of think of third gender as more of the catch-all term, under which you have the following headings:

Androgyne, Neutrois, Bigendered, Genderqueer and maybe the happily Intersexed?

I'm not sure if intersexed people would neccesarily want to come under the third gender umbrella...despite being intersexed they could strongly identify as a binary gender (either matching or incongruent with the one they were assigned at birth) or be somewhere in the middle. I'm hesitant to talk from personal experience, because as of yet there is no concrete clinical evidence...just lots of little things stacking up one after the other, and I so hate speaking for others, but for me, despite it not being definite, the knowledge that I may very well be intersexed didn't actually change how I identified.

Intersexed people wouldn't come under the androgyne umbrella unless they want to...which is what I meant by "happily intersexed." I should have made that a bit clearer, I guess..

Obviously many physically ambiguous people are going to be male or female only inside, of course.  Goodness knows, it would be just too convenient if one's genitalia always matched one's gender!

This is the problem I have with 'umbrella' terms - it's usually someone else trying to tell us we're under the good grace of their umbrella, without asking whether we're happier running around in our own rain .

I Identify as intergender for me it means some things Male & Some things Female some things both some things just unique to me.  In the same was that intersex people are medically some things Male some things Female the way I am is some things male & some things female.  I'm both and I don't swich although I sometimes feel more strongly both, Female, neither or Male it is rare for me to not feel strongly and comfortably both.  another way to describe where my gender sits is to say I'm More both then neither, more neither then female & more female  then male most of the time the only time I feel not male is when I'm with a group of all males and feel like I have no chance of fitting in.
as an umbrella term genderqueer & androgyne are both ok but they are too big for me to use them as "this is what I am".  When I'm with an assortment of various different "queer" people if they accept me then I tend to feel comfortable being "queer".  but most of the time being under an umbrella where other people are holding the umbrella and/or the banner "we are this" I feel like my identity is being squashed as I can't totally express who I am around them.  or if they are using an umbrella that doesn't include me and I feel rejected and lonely umbrellas that cover me and let me be true are great but other wise I may be better singing in the rain 

Umbrellas, great in the rain...not so great for defining a very diverse group of people.

I look at the umbrella as a direction marker...feel kind of like this?  Perhaps you should try this forest.    I think the nice thing about our forum is that the umbrella term gets you here, but you can do whatever you want and we don't care. 

Like a sign post at the entrance of the Forest, with different arrows pointing in different directions. You can follow that path, but no quarantees of what or who you'll find?

And of course there are plenty of cross paths and forks in the road. With direction arrows if needed there, too. Plenty of camping spaces. Plenty of room to live as you think you should, whether you want to be in this 'term' camp, or even several. Personally, I'm eyeing a big tree to build a tree house. Hmm...wonder what I will name it.
Or not.

Maybe the main sign should just say 'Welcome to the Unicorn Forest'.

Or the sign post is in different languages - so you can never be quite sure that what it says in the language you speak is the same as what it says in the others .

"You're traveling through another dimension -- a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That's a signpost up ahead: your next stop: the Unicorn Forest!"

or something like that....

I can EASILY see how someone would be confused by "male lesbian"- but I don't see any reason why someone should be offended by it.  You shouldn't get insulted by how someone else refers to themselves.  It has nothing to do with you!  A lot of people get offended way too easily. 

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*Ativan will be back after a trip to the ER to get keys removed from forehead* 

Quote from: ativan on March 13, 2011, 08:38:42 PM
hgnjytfhnytghjmynhjmyng

*Ativan will be back after a trip to the ER to get keys removed from forehead* 

Is this keyboard bashing in response to my post?

yes.     But, it's OK. I hope you didn't take that wrong...... This topic here is an off-shoot of a topic that got way out of hand. I think a lot of respectful members here have walked away with a different understanding from it. Just seeing the phrase 'male lesbian' caused the blood to drain from my head for a moment, there. 
The term caused a sortof meltdown in this section. Refer to locked topic:

Male lesbian concept / ......   locked on Jan 30

Welcome to the forest, by the way.

And I like your Avatar, too...

The real sign reads:

Just Be Yourself
your mileage may vary

Quote from: tekla on March 13, 2011, 10:37:08 PM
The real sign reads:

Just Be Yourself
your mileage may vary

Ain't that the truth.